New Realities recorded on June 3, 2007
Summary
Host Alan Steinfeld welcomes Jeremy Vaeni to ‘New Realities Radio’ to discuss the upcoming ‘Culture of Contact’ UFO conference in New York. They cover the event’s schedule, its goal of empowering abductees, and its celebration of the 60th anniversary of the Kenneth Arnold flying saucer sighting. Jeremy shares his personal abduction experiences, describing a mysterious energy that now moves through him. They explore the metaphysical implications of extraterrestrial contact, the nature of consciousness, and the possibility of a live hypnosis regression on a future broadcast. The show concludes with promotional details for the conference.
Transcript
Alan
Welcome, welcome to New Realities and New Realities Radio. My name is Alan Steinfeld, and I’m happy to be on BBS. BBS has been a great forum for announcing new events and introducing to the public new ideas and new guests. Tonight, I have a very interesting show with Jeremy Vaeni, who is helping to produce a big UFO conference in New York. We’ll be talking about the UFO phenomena and the upcoming conference and some of the highlights and some of the aspects of abduction and what that whole phenomena is about because I have also some personal firsthand experience. But let me just tell you about New Realities a little bit. New Realities has been a leading edge new consciousness cable show for the last 10, 15 years and now we’re making the transition to radio. And it is about exploring evolving human potentials in an evolving world. This series explores the ideas of how to become more conscious beings. I present programs, me, Alan Steinfeld, the host, present programs that invite the listener to look at their automatic behaviors and take free reign of their body, mind and spirit so that we could hope to inhabit and create a better world. This program is constantly on the lookout for new and different perspectives and achieving a greater and more peaceful reality for the planet. It’s about embracing a synthesis of rational understanding with mystical awareness. And this is some quotes that I’d like to just cite from my website newrealities.tv just to remind me of my mission and what we’re, what I’m about, which is helping to bring new ideas to the planet to create really a new civilization, a civilization that has higher ideals than the one that we are previously engaged in, ideals that honor life and liberty and love and the pursuit of happiness really. As opposed to what we devolved into, which is greed and war and really not taking care of each other. I think there’s a chance in, as we shift paradigms to have a really peaceful planet where war is not an option and to embrace a greater aspect of what it is to be human. John Stuart Mill says, “No great improvement in the lot of humanity is possible until great changes take mode in their way of thinking.” So that’s what really this program’s about. If I offer new ideas, new ways to think, perhaps then we’ll understand who we are in a bigger way. Also Henry Miller, who was a great writer, said, “Those of us who seem most alien are the ones who are going forward to create a new life that is yet to be formed.” So the embrace of a greater humanity and a humanity that actually perhaps doesn’t look anything like us is really the theme of tonight’s show and what it is to meet intelligent creatures, beings that perhaps are not part of this reality. I think that’s also a key to it, a key to understanding the whole, the whole realm of what science has to offer us. So I’m just going to take a little musical break and let’s see if the guest will be coming up. Okay, soon, so let’s take this.
Alan
Okay. Just waiting for that was my guest for the evening. Hopefully Don is on it. Don? Are you there?
Jeremy
Jeremy’s here.
Alan
Oh, Jeremy, good. Good. Jeremy, welcome to BBS Radio.
Jeremy
Hey, thanks for having me.
Alan
Okay, how’d your last radio show go?
Jeremy
It went well. I ended up interviewing him. It was fun.
Alan
What was the show?
Jeremy
Paranormal Palace.
Alan
Paranormal Palace?
Jeremy
Yeah, it’s a website radio show.
Alan
That’s what this is. But we have actually a quarter million listeners a day.
Jeremy
Do you really?
Alan
Well, that’s what Don says.
Jeremy
Well, great. Well shoot, I should have done this earlier, huh?
Alan
Hello?
Jeremy
Yeah, I’m here.
Alan
Yes, so Jeremy, I understand that there’s like two to two hundred thousand visitors to the website. I don’t know actually how many people actually listen to the show, but more and more it’s gaining in popularity. So I’m excited about this. So tell me a little bit about, well, I know what’s going on, but do you want, can you talk a little bit because I can’t hear you that well.
Jeremy
Yeah, can you hear me?
Alan
Okay, yes, okay. So let’s cover some of the stuff that’s happening at the upcoming conference and also your experience as an abductee. Should we start there?
Jeremy
Yeah, let’s start at the conference because I think…
Alan
Okay, we’ll start at the conference. People are excited.
Jeremy
Yeah. I mean, and if you want to follow along and see all of what we’re talking about, go to cultureofcontact.com. But basically, the thing that’s exciting about this is it’s the first time I think in history that abductees have gotten together to put on not just a conference, but I mean it’s a conference with movies and music and artwork and just a whole, the whole gamut of exciting stuff and we’ve all come together. A lot of us are strangers, we just sort of found each other and said, look, it’s time to do this.
Alan
Well, that’s the nature of contact, isn’t it? That with strangers? But no, but before we get into the whole thing, let’s give the specifics about where, when, okay?
Jeremy
Okay. If they haven’t run away yet from yelling at me, Alan.
Alan
No, I just can’t hear you that well on my side. But so yeah, where, when and the name of the conference.
Jeremy
Well, it’s called Culture of Contact. It’s June 22nd to the 24th. That’s a Friday through Sunday. And it’s taking place in Manhattan in the East Village at three locations. One is the Pioneer Theater. The other is Public School PS 63, which we’ve dubbed the Secret School. And the third is Lit Lounge, which is sort of an ultra cool underground lounge club. So it’s those three places and the schedule as you know is online. Of all the speakers and artists, there’s over 30 people. Should be good times.
Alan
Well, I think it’s important to note why we’re doing it actually right now. I mean, it’s the 60th anniversary of the Kenneth Arnold sightings, which actually he was a pilot flying over Mount Rainier June 24th, 1947 that caught sight of these ships, these airships or something, and he called them flying saucers. Is that correct?
Jeremy
Yeah. Well, I think actually, yeah, he said they looked like saucers skipping over water and then some reporter ran with it and started calling them flying saucers. But yeah, that’s basically it. Yeah, we all decided, okay, let’s do it thematically each year. This first year will be the 60th anniversary of Kenneth Arnold because a lot of people are doing, you know, the 60th anniversary of Roswell. So we’re sort of taking a different angle on it. And so yeah, so at the heart of it, it’s abductee empowerment, but on the surface of it, it’s in celebration of the coining of the term flying saucers.
Alan
Abductee empowerment? Do we need to be empowered?
Jeremy
Sure. Yeah, we’ve got to take this message back from the media and, you know, show them we’re not a bunch of clowns, you know, we’re not a bunch of victims. It’s not all nonsense, it’s real. And yeah, I think it’s time that we all sort of get together and say that.
Alan
Okay, so that’s really the undercurrent of the show. I wasn’t aware, I thought it was more, I mean that’s important, but I thought it was also more the awareness that look, they’re out there, they’re real and…
Jeremy
Well that’s what I’m saying, that’s what I’m saying, yeah.
Alan
But I didn’t realize the specific text was the abductee angle, which is great, I’m all for that. I think what’s also important to also talk about is how much the UFO reality has actually influenced mainstream culture.
Jeremy
Yeah.
Alan
I mean…
Jeremy
Yeah, there will be some of that. Certainly, we’re yeah, I mean we’re going to be showing movies like Earth versus the Flying Saucers and Contact and we’ll have speakers in there talking about all of that stuff.
Alan
Yeah, go over some of the speakers because I think that’ll get really, some people really excited.
Jeremy
Let’s see, Friday night is William Burns, who’s the co-owner of UFO Magazine and the co-author of The Day After Roswell with Colonel Philip Corso.
Alan
Oh, he co-authored that? Because Corso was a real gen, I mean he was an, you know, a general in the army that before he died came out and said look, Roswell was real.
Jeremy
Yeah, he said Roswell was real and we used their technology, you know this alien technology and we reverse engineered it and that’s how we came…
Alan
With to the microchip and lasers…
Jeremy
Oh yeah, Kevlar and lasers and…
Alan
Which went from tubes to transistors and eventually computers.
Jeremy
With, you know, yeah.
Alan
Well, I don’t know if I totally buy that. I think there’s, I think we also have a lot of brilliant people on the planet that were able to… I mean, I know I’ve heard the reverse engineering argument and I think some of that, I think the laser stuff is definitely, you know, something to it. But we had an atom bomb, I mean, you know.
Jeremy
Sure, but well, I mean I’m not gonna, I’m not going to argue Corso’s point. I’ll just say that basically what he, basically what he’s saying is we gave it to our scientists, said look, this is crashed Russian technology, see what you can do with it, basically lied, and they invented stuff off of it. So it still is our own brilliant scientists figuring stuff out. I mean Bell Labs if if we’re to believe this stuff had no idea that it was crashed UFO technology, they thought it was Russian so.
Alan
Aha. So okay, so what’s this guy going to speak about Friday night?
Jeremy
Good question. I think he will probably cover Roswell and give us an update on Corso. And I know he was originally he was planning on talking about the link between Close Encounters of the Third Kind and Project Serpo, which I’m sure UFO aficionados are familiar with.
Alan
What was Project Serpo? Because I…
Jeremy
Project Serpo, well to me, asking me, I think it was a total hoax. It’s basically this anonymous people claiming that the U.S. sent scientists, basically glasnost with aliens, you know, we sort of sent scientists to this planet, Serpo, I think was the planet, to live there for a while and learn from them and et cetera, et cetera.
Alan
And they came back and talked because I don’t think I’ve heard this one. Is there a book about this?
Jeremy
No, it’s all online. It’s on a certain website. I’m not sure if it’s serpo.org or serpo.com.
Alan
I think I’ve heard this particular UFO conspiracy thing, you know, I thought I heard most of them and I believe most of them so. Okay, so that’s Philip Burns Friday night?
Jeremy
No, that’s William Burns.
Alan
William Burns. Okay, and you’re hosting Friday night, right? You’re going to be…
Jeremy
No, I’ll be running around to all three locations, so I won’t be able to. But it’ll be, actually it’ll start off Harold Egeln and Farah Yurdozu will be sort of kicking things off and sort of talking about what the coining, what flying saucer means to them, Harold from the point of view of an American scientist and Farah from the point of view of a Turkish psychic. Both abductees.
Alan
Right, right. Okay, that’s good. And then, so we’ll have Jonathan Burns, you said?
Jeremy
William Burns.
Alan
William Burns, okay, I have to look at the website. So he’ll come on after they do their kind of introductory remarks. And then who are we going to have?
Jeremy
And then we’ll watch Earth versus the Flying Saucers, and then…
Alan
What year was that movie?
Jeremy
I’m sorry?
Alan
What year did they make that movie?
Jeremy
What year? Oh, I don’t know, 50-something. I really don’t know.
Alan
It was one of those 50s kind of…
Jeremy
Yeah, it’s one of the old Harryhausen special effects movies. I mean, it’s great. It’s a great movie. I just don’t remember the year.
Alan
Okay, no, I didn’t mean to focus. Okay, so then we’ll show that, and then we’re going to come back and have another discussion?
Jeremy
Yeah, and then we’ll come back and we’ll have a very brief sort of abductee Q&A where we’ll talk a little bit more about what the rest of this festival is going to be and also about what this stuff means to us, you know.
Alan
Right. I mean, the angle I take on it is that it has to mean a shifting consciousness, that we can no longer think of ourselves as the center of the universe really, basically.
Jeremy
Yeah, well, definitely. A lot of people definitely say that.
Alan
And what give that website again that has the schedule?
Jeremy
Sure, it’s www.cultureofcontact.com.
Alan
Okay, culture of contact. And that’s a website you’re hosting?
Jeremy
Yeah. Cultureofcontact.com. Okay, so that gives us that kind of brings us through Friday. So only showing one movie on Friday night?
Jeremy
We’re showing one movie on Friday and the reason is we’re then going to high tail it over to Lit Lounge, which is where Michael Luckman, author of the alien extraterrestrial, what is it? The Alien Rock and Roll Connection.
Alan
That’s the name of his book, right?
Jeremy
Yeah. He’ll be hosting the Lit Lounge thing, which will be a couple of bands playing, Roy Orbit and the Violets. And also there will be a psychic VJ who will hook the bands up to this this device that not only projects their brainwaves and some sort of light show on the wall, but apparently if you think of objects or it they’ll show up like if you think of a circle, somehow it will magically psychically project it onto the wall. Like creating psychic artwork as you’re going along.
Alan
Really? Is this this a Japanese guy with this…
Jeremy
Yeah.
Alan
Wow, that sounds great. So people will be able to like be hooked up throughout the evening?
Jeremy
I think so. I know he definitely at least wants to hook up one of the bands, one of the lead singers so that we can see what his brain does as he’s singing songs and you know, going into other states.
Alan
I see, that’s after the Earth versus the Flying Saucers, which I’m seeing here now was done in 1956, the year it was born. So we’ll all see the movie Earth versus the Flying Saucers as a kind of opening kick off. And then we’ll go over to the Lit Lounge to hear some UFO-type music.
Jeremy
Right.
Alan
That sounds exciting. Okay. And then Saturday, after them, well Saturday you know is really the main day, right?
Jeremy
Well depends on what you… Saturday and Sunday are both main days. Saturday the art gallery opens, which will be at the school, and that’ll feature abductee art mostly and other art as well. But a lot of abductee art. And also a staged reading of my book turned into a play, I Know Why the Aliens Don’t Land, a one-man show with guests.
Alan
What, it’s a one-man show?
Jeremy
It’s a one-man show with guests, it’s sort of a joke. No, there’s a bunch of people in it. But my sister’s directing it…
Alan
Yes. No, that sounds good because people should know you also have a DVD out about your movie.
Jeremy
Uh-huh.
Alan
You fully milked that book, haven’t you?
Jeremy
Tell about me Alan, I can’t get enough of me. Since there’s actually a lot of you there in the movie there, Jeremy. But what’s the name of the movie again? Tell people how to get your movie.
Jeremy
Sure, I have a movie called No One’s Watching: An Alien Abductee’s Story. And you can get that pretty much anywhere online. Amazon.com is the most obvious place. In Indieflicks.
Alan
Okay good. And then, so after we kind of go through the events of the weekend in June, we’ll talk a little bit more specifically about you. Sure. And what happened to you. So okay, so Saturday we have the art show, we have that, and then…
Jeremy
And that starts at noon, and the play or staged reading starts at one. And then at three, back over at the Pioneer Theater, begins a full, and I mean full day and night of movies and guest speakers.
Alan
Which is going to go from… Are we going to pull everyone who’s been at the art show back over to the theater?
Jeremy
Well, that’s up to them. See, we want to have it be that that you get to pick and choose what you want to do. You don’t have to, the art gallery is going to be open until six, so whatever you want to do.
Alan
Okay. Okay, but Saturday we are jam-packed full of exciting people like Michael Mangan and Trish Corbert, Phil Imbrogno. Of course, Budd Hopkins, who I think is the godfather of UFO abductions, wouldn’t you say?
Jeremy
Yeah.
Alan
Yeah, Phil Imbrogno actually isn’t until Sunday. But yeah, Budd Hopkins. But Budd Hopkins is Saturday and then we have a special guest speaker at the end who is so secretive, even I don’t know who it’s going to be.
Alan
Well, we’re still working on who that is going to be. So I see, so Saturday pretty much, it’s speakers and movies all about the culture of contact.
Jeremy
Right.
Alan
Well, I think it’s great that Budd is talking on Saturday because he’s a great speaker. I hope to have him on a guest on this show at some point. And so we have speaker, movie, speaker, movie, right?
Jeremy
Yep.
Alan
Okay. Okay, and then Sunday is pretty much, speakers.
Jeremy
Yeah, Sunday there are two musical interludes. It’ll start off with music from Alan White, he’ll you know doing Viv From Venus.
Alan
Why don’t you tell about Alan White? Because he’s a guy that really claims to have this girlfriend from Venus. Do you know about him?
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah, we were talking about that today actually.
Alan
And he really is totally convinced she was from Venus and he wrote this, I guess musical about it. I mean…
Jeremy
He was asking me if I think that he should, he wants to say a few words about her beforehand. I think, and I say, yeah, that would what other appropriate place would there be to say something about Viv From Venus than that?
Alan
Well, I think he should, I mean it’s you know people have gone that far, they might as well go a little further. And um…
Jeremy
It’s true. On the other hand, it doesn’t really help our case that when we’re trying to say that this is all legitimate, to then…
Alan
Well, I mean… it depends what that’s how I want to talk to you. We’re saying this is all legitimate, yes we’ve been abducted by aliens, but the fact of having someone come and visit you from Venus is just too far out for even the abductees. I mean, where do you draw the line, that’s the joke. I mean someone just listening to abductees think we’re all crazy, you know?
Jeremy
Right, yeah.
Alan
So and we think, you know, it’s just like I don’t know, you could tell me you’re from the moon, I’d believe it. I’m not saying any of I’m saying everyone has their own take on reality and whatever you say your experience is is your experience. Do you think you’ve been abducted by aliens? Oh, am I to say that you haven’t been? I haven’t had your experience. I mean, I think…
Jeremy
Yeah, but there’s a difference between saying I’ve been abducted by aliens and a woman from Venus lived with me. And I’m not saying this woman didn’t exist and didn’t live with him. She did, she’s been on radio shows, I mean all this stuff. I’m saying that I think Alan has had a bunch of legitimate abduction experiences his whole life. Because of that, he’s very open to the possibilities. Like you are, you know. And so I think what I wanted, what I’m getting at…
Alan
No, I agree with you, it’s a little far to set in my box to say I have this girl from from Venus and you know she lived with me and then she took off on her spaceship as opposed to like these like beings came and took me aboard and I don’t know, to someone listening to either conversation, it’s both insane, you know?
Jeremy
Well, you have a point there.
Alan
That’s what I’m saying. To what level of reality are we functioning at? Of course, to me and you who think we think we’ve had some kind of abduction experience, well that’s perfectly, you know, rational, it happened. We, you know, so I think you know there’s a huge bridge in the level of reality that people are functioning at within our culture anyway.
Jeremy
Mm-hmm.
Alan
And that’s, I mean, we’re making bridges. I think this conference is about you know, going more mainstream.
Jeremy
Yeah, definitely, definitely. And it’s also about, it’s going to be, by the end of Sunday, when we have our big roundtable discussion, I think we’re going to try and publicly air some of these things out and try to figure out if there are points of agreement, you know, in all of our abduction accounts. You know, what do we agree on? What are the differences? What can we draw conclusions, and if so what are they?
Alan
Well, yeah, I mean there’s definitely something else happening here that we’re not aware of. Reality is definitely more complex and more overlay than we have any idea about. And I think we do exist on these other planes and dimensions. I mean that’s one sort of metaphysical explanation of the whole abduction thing. I mean, you yourself have this weird energy moving through you. Can you tell us about that, Jeremy?
Jeremy
Yeah, now that I’ve just exposed myself as a total hypocrite here. Yeah, I have a, I don’t even know. Well, I guess…
Alan
After we finish with the conference, I mean pretty much it’s online, we’ll review this in the next couple of weeks, but let’s go really into the discussion about you, Jeremy Vaeni. And into what’s going on. So you were you had an abduction, but the effect is that you have this strange energy moving through you, or are they not related?
Jeremy
Well, I think they’re related, but they’re not, it’s not cause and effect. The the energy came from the day that I decided to just clear my mind for the sake of doing so. I really just understood that my brain, that I am not going to ever be able to figure out what truth is, what any of these big questions are. I’m just never going to do it. And the second that I figured that out, the second that I realized that…
Alan
The second you realized you weren’t able to figure any of it out, something opened up?
Jeremy
Well no, I’m saying that the second that I the thinker realized that thought is not going to it can’t touch truth. That the I disappeared, you know? Because the thinker is just thought. So I think I disappeared for a second and this other energy flowered in me or however you want to coin the term. And my head started to spin, not like the exorcist, but like doing an exercise, you know, just sort of rolling your head around, but it wasn’t me doing it.
Alan
But it wasn’t you as an ego personality doing it, but it could be you as this more cosmic connected being that we are doing it.
Jeremy
It could be. I mean it it flowered into this whole experience of, well, sort of tai chi looking things and yoga and, you know, eastern ritualistic, I mean things I don’t have any idea what they are, except perfectly, I’ve now, you know, sort of read about them or whatever. And it might just be a kundalini awakening, you know, people talk about these things. And it could be that. But there were several instances where it did feel like possession for lack of a better term, like something.
Alan
Possession, but you could control it though, it’s not like you can’t control what’s happening. If you wanted to, you could stop it, right?
Jeremy
Well, yeah, I shut it off. I’m not controlling it. I’m not doing it, but I yeah, I’m certainly not going anywhere. I don’t black out or anything like that and I can stop anytime I want, yeah.
Alan
But you when you do allow it, you feel find that you’re feeling better, right?
Jeremy
Yeah, I mean when it’s happening, it feels totally natural and it feels great. It feels beneficial. It’s only later when you think about that this shouldn’t be happening or whatever that it becomes strange. But yeah, when you’re doing it, no it’s fine.
Alan
No, well that’s what I’m saying, go go for it. I mean let yourself have it. I mean, don’t, you know, limit yourself to the personality that you think you are.
Jeremy
Yeah. I’m only limiting myself for now. I mean I know that I’m going to let this thing do what it wants to do eventually. Just right now I’m too too busy.
Alan
You’re too, you mean… at some point you think you might just, I mean because I’ve seen the movements at least in your film and they do look like tai chi, chi fluid movements where maybe you are possessed by some old Chinese Daoist master or something like that.
Jeremy
I don’t know, I don’t know what it is. It might be as simple as once you stop thinking or stop thought that this other energy in you expresses itself. And because it’s not you, it’s going to feel like a possession. You know what I mean?
Alan
Right, but it is actually not the you you think you are, it’s not the ego identification with this false personality. I think I hear you saying is that there’s another part of you that’s way more in touch.
Jeremy
Yeah, there’s another part of you that’s got its own informed movements and because of that it looks like possession. I want to say that, but like I said, there have been a few points where where no, it was clearly something else in me and around me, yeah.
Alan
Right. And so you think the alien stuff just helped open you up to this?
Jeremy
Well, yeah, I mean it’s strange because I can’t imagine that I’m an abductee and this is happening and they’re not connected. I mean it just that’s like one step too far.
Alan
You think that’s just a strange coincidence.
Jeremy
What a weird coincidence. I mean, yeah, no I definitely, I think they are related somehow too. Yeah, yeah, and it’s shown me that they’re related. I mean I’ve had, you know, a couple of experiences that have indicated that, at the very least that these beings know exactly what this is, you know. And of course they do.
Alan
What do you think it is though? I mean.
Jeremy
You know, I really haven’t been able to peg it yet. I really don’t know. I’m just watching it unfold. It seems like a, for lack of a better term, at least an enlightenment process. You know where…
Alan
Do you think that… this is a major question, I mean once you get over the fact that yes they’re here. What are they here for? Are they here to evolve us? Are they good, bad, evil, nasty, want to take over the Earth? I mean, it sounds like from your experience they are really here and I tend to agree, I’m just putting my own opinion on yours, that they’re here to help uplift us to become more enlightened beings. I mean, do you get that?
Jeremy
Yes, I get that. But I also get the negative side of, the negative connotation of that, nobody seems to really want to deal with, is that if we’re, if the illusion is separation and the truth is oneness, then then we’re not, what’s not important is us, because the separate ego identity isn’t real. So…
Alan
Well it’s not real… Buddhists are telling everyone, this is the what the tradition have always said this.
Jeremy
Alan. Are you with me?
Alan
I’m with you but…
Jeremy
I’m just trying to say, the problem here is that because we’re not special in this equation, if we don’t wake up, then we are a species that has failed, and so it does not matter if, for instance, another ice age happens and, you know, 80% of the population dies off. You know what I mean?
Alan
No, I don’t. I don’t follow what I don’t quite follow you in that discussion. I mean…
Jeremy
Right. I’m saying what’s important about us is our capability to wake up to god sentience essentially, to god, full awareness.
Alan
Do you think the aliens have already woken up to this aspect of themselves?
Jeremy
Yeah. Yeah, and I think that’s exactly why they’re here because once you do that, waking up another species is waking yourself up. It’s oneness waking oneself up. And if we don’t do that, then we fail.
Alan
See, some other people have also argued and expressed the fact that they are also learning something from us as well, that they’re learning the more human emotional qualities that we embody in a very severe way.
Jeremy
Yeah, I don’t believe that.
Alan
You don’t believe that.
Jeremy
No, I think there’s a lot of charade going on. I think there’s a lot of acting going on and hocus pocus and you know all sorts of abstract ways that they come at us that are not literally true.
Alan
Really? And that charade is happening because of an overlay of our, our depth psychology that doesn’t let us see the truth?
Jeremy
I’m not really sure. I’m not sure, it’s a good question. I don’t know how much of it is a conscious intention on their part and how much of it is that their message literally gets messed up because they’re outside of our, you know space time. And so, you know, it’s sort of somewhere in there somewhere something gets lost in translation. I’m not really sure.
Alan
So, okay, so what then so then you don’t buy the whole David Jacobs thing, the whole fear factor, that we have to be afraid of this, you know, hostile takeover.
Jeremy
No, no, well I actually I mean my abductions are scary beyond belief. But it’s as you know to steal Whitley Strieber’s thinking, it’s actually almost an allergic reaction on a soul level or, you know, this fear, and that it’s ours, and it has nothing to do with them. But I think somebody like David Jacobs, if you’re if you have an influx of abductees who are all terrified, right? Then you’re going to think there’s a terrorizer. And so when those people come back later and say, “Look we’ve dealt with this, we realize now it wasn’t that, that it was the fear was our own.” David Jacobs still has new people coming to him terrified. And he’s going to say to those other people, “Well, you’re suffering Stockholm syndrome, you’re identifying with the abuser or these guys are manipulating you to say nice things about them.” Right.
Alan
Well, I do tend to agree with you. I mean it’s terrifying to be pulled out into this functional reality that we think we’re living in and into a whole new set of rules and universe and beings that we have no idea that exist. But somehow they are. And we have no preparation, we have no psychological preparation for any of it. And it’s traumatic.
Jeremy
That’s our own mind creating the trauma. Yes. It’s traumatic. And it’s also traumatic on the spiritual and even philosophical level of if I am not the thoughts in my head, if these beings are telepathic and can read me and can seemingly steal thoughts from me, then what am I, if I am not those things, what am I? You know, it gets right back to that very fundamental death fear that we have or fear of annihilation, you know?
Alan
Right, I think that’s I think that is where that mystical question of, yeah, the what you brought up before is really talked about in the whole abduction experience. What am I if I’m not who I who I’ve been programmed to think I am? Then what are we?
Jeremy
Well I think we’re, I think that’s part of the problem is that we’re much faster and bigger than we’ve been taught to think we are. I mean who we are on the spiritual level.
Jeremy
Absolutely. And the second that I realized this was when I saw these beings, you know, face to face in my bedroom and I was like I said terrified beyond belief. But through that, through that I could recognize you know, just when you meet somebody and you sort of get a good feeling from them. Well my feeling from them was these are sort of nice or whatever, you know there’s sort of a playful naivety and openness about them something good and but for some reason I was terrifying, you know, in shock. And it doesn’t make sense. I mean they’re not doing anything to me or.
Alan
Well they’re fragile little beings, they’re the shock is that we are unprepared for the reality that they bring, that’s what I think the shock is.
Jeremy
That yeah, that could be it.
Alan
I mean what else would the shock be? They’re not, they’re physically unable to hurt us, they’re like these you know, fragile little insect type beings with no muscle mass, I mean.
Jeremy
Yeah. And they’re not doing anything like, you know, a lot of this stuff is like they’re staring at me on a table. Like if you look at a lot of these accounts, and I’ve been through this, maybe you have too, of lying on a table and being stared at. You know, what horrible thing is transpiring there? Nothing.
Alan
Well, they are taking genetic samples, I think, and that can be a little painful, I mean.
Jeremy
I think though that they what’s terrifying is that just to realize that your thoughts aren’t your own and that you’re not in control of your thoughts. Except I did find that when I did start to control my thoughts, my and despite the interactions, they I was no longer abducted because, they couldn’t they couldn’t handle me once I gained more control over myself and the power of my own thought. Do you find there’s a connection in that?
Jeremy
Well I don’t know because I’m not I’m not there, you know. I I would love to not be terrified.
Alan
When was the last time you were abducted?
Jeremy
Well the last time I know was, October 2001.
Alan
And give us a little scenario what happened.
Jeremy
Well, it was that time actually. And it was basically I was I’m in the apartment that I’m in now, but in a different bedroom and my mattress was on the floor and, I had a girlfriend there at the time who was lying right next to me and I was, you know, I was asleep and I was facing her and bright light coming in from outside my window woke me up. So I just, and she didn’t wake up?
Alan
She did not wake up.
Jeremy
She didn’t wake up. I woke up, I sat up on my elbow, I’m trying to look out the window. I mean it’s just this bright white diffuse sort of foggy light. And I couldn’t figure it out so I just whatever, I just rolled over onto my back and, you know, there they were on my right side. These three beings, you know, short, maybe…
Alan
About how big?
Jeremy
Well let’s see, if I’m lying on my floor, I would say maybe they were four feet tall, maybe.
Alan
Okay, so they’re you’re in the bed, the girlfriend’s next to you, the three beings show up and they’re looking at you.
Jeremy
Yeah, they’re looking at me and now I’m scared out of my mind and they’re wearing, they’re wearing tunics or they’re wearing some sort of hooded, you know, cloak or something.
Alan
Hooded, is it hooded?
Jeremy
Yeah, yeah they were wearing hoods, I mean it…
Alan
Okay, but you could see big eyes?
Jeremy
Uh-huh, big eyes, seemingly bald, you know, not much nose, little mouth, you know, the whole thing.
Alan
And do they say anything to you then?
Jeremy
No, they don’t say anything, they’re just staring at me.
Alan
And and you’re and are you in an altered state, are you somewhat dreaming or…
Jeremy
Not that I know of, I mean as far as I know perfectly awake.
Alan
You’re perfectly consciously awake.
Jeremy
Yeah.
Alan
Okay, and then what happens?
Jeremy
Well, and then incomplete contradiction to that, the next thing I know, you know, dream like in that sense I suppose. I’m in another location, I’m in, this sort of non-descript room. It’s dark except for the same quality of light coming down from what I assume is the ceiling. And in front of me is a row of tables, and on those tables are humans seemingly unconscious naked. And the one closest to me is a woman, maybe in her late 40s early 50s, long blonde hair. And the beings are standing around her, and I’m standing there in my boxer shorts just like I went to bed in, and I’m just looking there…
Alan
You’re standing around with the beings looking at this woman on the table.
Jeremy
Well I’m standing a little bit further back, so they’re up by her, you know, up by her. And I’m sort of standing back a few feet, and they’re looking at me as if like show and tell. As if saying look, see this is what we do, you know?
Alan
What were they actually doing to the woman?
Jeremy
Nothing. They were just standing there. They were just sort of presenting her to me as if saying look, this is what we do. And I and I actually thought to myself, God, why am I seeing this? And this female voice that I’ve heard during abductions and abduction type scenarios, but never seen a you know a body attached to. She just speaks to me telepathically, says, “Because you’ve always wanted to remember an abduction.” Very strange. And that’s what I remembered of it. And then…
Alan
And then what happens right after that, after the voice, then…
Jeremy
Well, then I don’t know. Then it’s you know the next day or whatever. And I remembered…
Alan
The next thing you know you’re waking up the next day.
Jeremy
Yeah.
Alan
Okay.
Jeremy
Yeah, and I won and I remember, if this makes sense, I remember remembering more to that episode, but I let it go. Over the course of say a month.
Alan
But you did write it down, didn’t you?
Jeremy
I wrote down that much later. I didn’t write down immediately.
Alan
And why did you stop remembering more?
Jeremy
Well, yeah, cause I wanted, you know why… because I wanted it to be a dream. I didn’t write it down because I really wanted this to be a dream. For some reason, I didn’t want this to be real. And part of it was that I saw the light coming in through my window and I thought, well, you know, I live in Queens, there’s no way a light was coming in through my window and it didn’t wake up the entire neighborhood. So even though everything about this feels totally real, it couldn’t have been real. So cut to a couple years later…
Alan
Uh-huh.
Jeremy
And here’s where, and here’s where the meditation energy, you know, comes into play. I’m lying in bed and right before I go to sleep, the meditation energy sort of starts to take over and wants to do its own thing. So I let it. And instead of doing any of the meditative stuff it normally does, it ends up sort of pressing against my right nostril like at the bridge of my nose, the way you would if you had a bloody nose. And that’s all it’s doing. and it sort of fiddling around with my nose and stuff.
Alan
Energy itself that’s moving through your body is like in the nose area.
Jeremy
Yeah, it’s doing something absolutely different than what it normally does or a type of thing that’s totally pedestrian let’s say..
Alan
Okay…
Jeremy
So I got to sleep or whatever and at some point once again you know now I’m in a different, this is a couple years later, so I’m in a different bedroom in a real bed, and I am woken by bright light and I’m facing the window and I’m looking out the window and its dark out and its not making sense to me. I’m like why, you know, what time is it? That this is happening, you know, this is odd and I turn over and where my wall should be is the light. Where my wall should be is that same, diffused, foggy, light. And as I’m looking at this my nose starts to bleed but it’s trickling down the back of my throat. So I’m not bleeding all over my bed. So whatever this energy, whatever this meditation energy was doing, it seemed to be predicting whatever was going to happen later in the night and cauterizing my nose for it. If that makes sense.
Alan
Well maybe the beings were actually there and you just weren’t seeing them. You know, maybe they’re working with you on a higher, invisible dimension. Do you think that’s possible?
Jeremy
Yeah, yeah. I’ve had things happen that do speak to that. So yeah, I definitely think that could be true. And I don’t remember what happened other than that light, but the fact that I saw that light where my wall should be told me that the other thing that I wanted to be a dream was not a dream.
Alan
Oh I see. So that’s where you put it together. I see that was the moment you say “hey..”
Jeremy
That was the moment I say a portal was opening up and things are stepping through
And then suddenly my head block up started bleeding and that triggered all the memory and I went oh my god. And I immediately remembered every, you know, all of that stuff.
Alan
And how long did that wall disappear in your bedroom? How long was that gone for?
Jeremy
Oh well that was gone and it was another one of those until whenever the next day , you know I don’t know what happens. You go unconscious or..
Alan
Okay, you go unconscious and the next day you wake up and you say to yourself what?
Jeremy
Nothing, the next day I didn’t remember it. The next day I, we had a subletting roommate and I was talking to him in the kitchen. And I was talking to him and my nose, my left nostril, not the one that was, that my head had blocked up, started bleeding at that triggered all the memory. And I went, “oh my god” and I immediately remembered everything, all of that stuff.
Alan
And did you freak out?
Jeremy
No, because he was standing there and he didn’t, like I said he was a subletting roommate so he didn’t know anything about me. So I’m not going to freak out in front of him. So I just went and wrote down what, you know, all of my memories.
Alan
Didn’t allow yourself to freak out. So are you getting more used to the whole idea that you’re being contacted. I mean, is it becoming sort of like, oh yeah, I mean is that what this conference is about, is to kind of normalize it for so many people you think?
Jeremy
Yeah, I think so.
Alan
There’s enough of us out there and I’ll tell my experiences at some point which is not as vivid as yours. I mean I, you know I had marks on the back of my leg and I remember not moving during the night on this cross country trip and, but I you know I’ve had vague memories my whole life since the time I was like three of beings, you know. So I think there’s enough of us out there who’ve had some kind of experience that it should be talked about more publicly, you know.
Jeremy
Yeah. And I think also on the level of people who do look at this stuff, you know, there seems to be no consensus as to whether these are real aliens, whether this is some trickster force pretending to be aliens. Whatever that means, you know. What this thing is and I you know, for my part you’re asking me, you know what do I think, how does this strengthen my quote unquote belief or whatever. But I think what it has done, you know, this incident in particular, has shown me that they are in fact individuated beings that are every bit as real as you and me. And it’s not some trickster force pretending to be various things or whatever. You know, it’s not some angels devils, you know, thing. It just is what it is.
Alan
Well that could also be a reality as well, but this particular group of beings are aliens for lack of a better word, right?
Jeremy
Or yeah, interdimensional whatever. Whatever that word means, yeah. Just that they’re real beings.
Alan
They’re real beings. But they’re not necessarily 3D beings.
Jeremy
Well, these guys…
Alan
Are they, have you touched them? That to me makes a big thing about it. I touched them, I smelled them. But in your experience…
Jeremy
I don’t know, I don’t have a memory of it.
Alan
Yeah, I should really under go hypnosis or something. I mean I…
Jeremy
You should go into hypnosis because I think you know that gap between you know, watching the woman on the table and waking up the next morning, a lot happened there.
Jeremy
Yeah. Definitely.
Alan
I could find you a… Let’s do us some hypnosis on the radio, wouldn’t that be exciting?
Jeremy
Sure.
Alan
Be for the first time Jeremy’s abduction.
Jeremy
Yeah.
Alan
I mean that would be great. I think that’s what like a radio show like this could really open up like a firsthand experience, it’d be a great advertisement too. We’ll promote it. So let’s find a good hypnotherapist.
Jeremy
Okay, yeah, I’m for it.
Alan
And we’ll regress you on the air.
Jeremy
As long as I can tape it, videotape it for a sequel for my movie, yeah.
Alan
You will videotape it while we’re on the radio. We’ll do the whole thing. That could be real so stay tuned whoever’s listening out there. Upcoming show when we will have a real live regression of an abductee.
Jeremy
My only concern is with this energy, am I going to be hypnotizable or am I just going to start moving around and you know doing weird stuff.
Alan
Well you know, hip, and I’ve experienced some of it, it’s just relaxing the mind enough to recall memories that have been suppressed. And a good hypnotherapist will put you at ease so the stuff that you had to suppress because it really would’ve freaked you out, you come into a kind of observer effect, you just
Jeremy
Yeah, yeah well I’ve been hypnotized before. Did I tell you this? That I’ve been hypnotized?
Alan
You’ve been hypnotized?
Jeremy
Yeah I’ve been hypnotized before but I don’t remember what I said and I’m assuming,I was suggested not to. This woman, when I was in college, I was really having a hard time with this stuff. So I went to a therapist and
Alan
Oh, you were abducted in college, I mean throughout your whole life you’ve been abducted
Jeremy
Yeah well, I had been abducted in high school and it was still eating away at me and I you know.
Alan
So you were hypnotized in college and the woman who hypnotized you was freaked out by what you told her?
Jeremy
No, no. The woman, the woman why hypnotized me was an abductee herself. Her and her husband, they believe that they were paired together actually.
Alan
I think, yeah there’s a book out there about that. The pairing of abductees.
Jeremy
Yeah, the end result of this was she offered me free therapy. She offered to see me for free.
Alan
Well,
Jeremy
But I didn’t go back to her because I didn’t remember seeing anything. You know? But I was
Alan
Did she tell you what you said?
Jeremy
No! She must’ve suggested that A. don’t remember and B. don’t ask. Like that’s the only way I can think of what happened.
Alan
Are you think you’re ready to remember?
Jeremy
Oh yeah, well I guess you know as much as anyone is ready. I suppose, sure.
Alan
I mean the thing about it is it really is freaky. There’s a set of rules that this reality is just a subset of. Which there is a whole other thing happening all around us that we have no idea about. What’s her name? Pamela Stonebrook. I interviewed her, you know her? She’s the one who had sex with aliens. Actually I should have her on this show. She’s great. She says, and I’ll probably use this of her’s, to say this at the conference. But she says we’re like a colony of ants living next to a four-lane highway thinking what was that? You know? It’s like we have no idea what’s going on in the universe around us. We’re functioning at such a minimal level of consciousness that when you finally do open up and drop the identity things start coming to you because you start to move up through the levels of conscious awareness in a universe that’s so complex that we don’t have any idea what’s going on.
Jeremy
Yeah, yeah. I experience that now with this energy. I can actually see more, I know for a fact that there are energies that look like insects or amoebas or something of that, but they definitely look like they are alive that zip around in the atmosphere. You know white wisps of smoke, there are white dots of light. Black, red, you know these things weren’t there before but now I have this broader vision for whatever reason.
Alan
Well, that’s great. I mean you should be happy
Jeremy
It is great, it’s great to know. But it is like well if that’s what I see now, god what else is there? You know? It’s like , who knows if we can see everything.
Alan
Well yeah, and you keep opening up more and more. I mean it’s not just the aliens. I mean there’s yogis that have that kind of transcendent vision you know. I mean it’s like Ramdas who gave his guru LSD and it didn’t affect him at all because he was already at that state where he could see those higher levels, he didn’t need any of that, you know? And actually there’s many enlightened beings that talk about the creatures that live on other planets.
Jeremy
Yeah this is true. And actually the people I put in my movie, the god, what is their, come on you see their demonstrations all the time in New York. The meditators, the Chinese…
Alan
What? Oh the Falun Gong?
Jeremy
The Falun Gong believe their meditation system was given to them by people from, I think the moon, but definitely people from space. And I didn’t know that when I put them in my movie. I just thought wow they do these creepy poses.
Alan
Well actually maybe there really is a connection there for you, you know?
Jeremy
Yeah, you know what’s funny about that is once I went to, I saw them out on the street, and one of the guys, you know they’re supposed to stand perfectly still. If no one’s ever seen a Falun Gong demonstration, they demonstrate against the persecution they receive in China and they pose like perfect statues. So it’ll be like a cop pretending, posed as if beating a Falun Gong person. Uh, and so the guy playing the cop or, you know, whatever, in this perfect pose, actually looked over at me and gave me a nod, which I thought was…You know, that’s one of those things that’s personal. It’s neither here nor there objectively, but to me it was like Jesus, this guy broke character to nod at me. I wonder what that’s about.
Alan
That’s great, wow. Wow, so Jeremy let’s just do a little recap. We have to kind of finish up here. Um, we are going to have this conference called The Culture of Contact that will be June 22nd, 23rd, and 24th. Go to the website cultureofcontact.com, all three days are laid out there. All the activities, films, movies, art show.
Jeremy
And you’ll be MCing on Sunday.
Alan
I, Alan Steinfeld, the host of this New Realities radio show will be MCing all day on Sunday. So, is there a phone number people can call?
Jeremy
Yeah, you can call 718-786-0094 and I will get back to you with answers to whatever questions you may have.
Alan
Okay, I’ve been talking to Jeremy Vaeni. And the name of your movie again, Jeremy?
Jeremy
No One’s Watching: An Alien Abductee’s Story.
Alan
Okay. And I’m Alan Steinfeld, this is New Realities. Hang on Jeremy, I’m going to play a song by Duke Williams and the Extremes. He’s an abductee, he wrote this song called “The Night Before the Future”, and that’s the song I usually end this show with, and it’s his experience as an abductee transposed into this music. So I just want to say that we’ll do another show at least before June just to keep talking. Maybe we’ll have Harold on, who has an abductee support program that he does and talks that he does. Let’s do another show for sure, okay?
Alright, so I’ll set that up. So I know we’re wrapping it up here. Let’s see. Is there anything else you really want the public to really hear?
Jeremy
Yeah, that’d be great, sure
Alan
Okay, thanks. Anything else we need to say before we say goodbye?
No, just come on down to the festival. It’s gonna be a historic event.
Alan
Okay, so hang on, listen to the song. I just wanted to say goodbye. I’m Alan Steinfeld and you can catch me at www.newrealities.tv. That’s my website. I’m also on Manhattan cable every Monday night at 9 pm on channel 57, that’s mnn.org. You can listen to me here 9:30 every Sunday night East Coast time, 6:30 West Coast time, and, to me there is no host apparent. Anyway, there was no host apparent in the middle to interject so figure that out. Thank you, Jeremy Vaeni for being the guest tonight and talking about the Culture of Contact. This is Duke Williams and the Extremes and I’ll, see you next time. So here we go. Let’s see.