New Realities recorded on October 30, 2007
Summary
Alan Steinfeld interviews theologian and author Dr. Miceal Ledwith about the phenomenon of orbs appearing in digital photography. They discuss how digital cameras capture infrared frequencies, suggesting orbs are interdimensional beings. Ledwith shares his extensive research, explaining that orbs are captured via fluorescence, not reflection, and emphasizes that acknowledging these frequencies allows humanity to recognize there is more to reality than the eye can see. He concludes human beings have the power to shape reality.
Transcript
Alan Steinfeld
Welcome to New Realities with Alan Steinfeld. This program explores evolving human potentials in an evolving world. Each week I interview people who are really at the leading edge of bringing us new realities, new ideas about the changing nature of our human potential. Tonight’s guest is someone who’s been on my television show before. He is a theologian. He is a scholar. He is also someone investigating other realms of reality. Dr. Mihal Ledwith is with me today. And he’s the author of this new book called The Orb Project with Klaus Heinemann and forwarded by William Tiller. Mihal, are you there?
Miceal Ledwith
I am indeed, Alan. Good to be with you.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay, now we really want to focus tonight, I know you have a lot of expertise in many areas including the lost years of Jesus and the nature of science and theology, but tonight’s show, let’s focus on this phenomena called orbs. And I’ll just give a little run down of what I know is that these balls of light or discs of light seem to be appearing all over on digital cameras. And they don’t seem to have any logical explanation. They don’t seem to be dust particles or water vapors although they may at some point, but they seem to have their own texture and phenomenology to them. And I would say no one really can say what they are. What’s your research around the topic?
Miceal Ledwith
Well you’re quite right, Alan, that all over the world in all sorts of situations, people now are noticing these spheres in their pictures that they take with digital cameras. And I think that’s our first clue right there because a digital camera is sensitive to the nearest band of infrared radiation to us. So that band is just outside of what we can see with the naked eye. Now we all know that some insects say like honeybees or horses or dogs can see in those realms already even though you and I normally cannot. So since digital cameras, which are, as I say, more sensitive to that part of the spectrum, since they’ve become common, people are getting more and more images of these mysterious objects. And of course the big question is, what are these objects and why do they appear at certain times and why do they appear not at all at other times? And I think that…
Alan Steinfeld
Go ahead, go ahead.
Miceal Ledwith
I think that we are on the verge of a great new discovery into the nature of reality. I think there are times in human history when we get some information that really results in a major paradigm shift. I mean I suppose in some sense when we began to realize that the earth was not flat or that the earth, even though spherical, was not at the center of the solar system like at the time of Galileo and Giordano Bruno. And when we began to discover for instance in the last two centuries or less that there were things that we couldn’t see like viruses and bacteria that caused disease. I mean we had a whole new shift coming in our knowledge about the nature of the world in which we live. And I think what we are on the verge of seeing now in the orb phenomenon, which is what the book is about, is we are coming to an entirely new understanding about beings who live in different realms of frequency to the ones that you and I inhabit, but are no less real for that. And that is going to set the cat among the pigeons about the way in which we have understood ghosts and the paranormal and the esoteric, etc. in the past because we have really had very uninformed and superstitious ways of looking at all of those things, which is a great pity because these are great realities. So if we are living in a universe which has different layers because the levels of frequency change from one layer to another, then we realize that this is an entirely different setup than most of us have ever imagined. And you know there are things that happen every day, Alan, today, which 50 or 100 years ago would have been regarded as totally miraculous. Even you and I, here am I on the west coast of the United States and you’re in New York, we’re having a conversation. I mean that would be regarded as absolutely paranormal, you know, 100 years ago. Anyway.
Alan Steinfeld
But the question is, yes they’re appearing with digital cameras and yes, I mean the shift in paradigms seems to be happening with this phenomena and in the sciences and the way we look at the world in general, but the other question about this is, are the veils between the dimensions getting thinner? Are we actually accelerating at a rate where we are merging dimensions somehow? Does that seem to be happening?
Miceal Ledwith
Well it could well be happening. I don’t know. Obviously the thing that is penetrating the veil in this instance is technology, digital photography. But is that signifying a thinning of the veils? It may well be, but I’m not in a position tonight to be able to say that because I don’t have the evidence of that. But there is one thing I would mention. And that is we do not see orbs with the naked eye normally as I said, we need the digital camera or an IR camera or something of that nature. Now, if on the other hand we realize that our eyes are seeing an awful lot more in normal vision every day than the brain allows to pass through into consciousness because the brain simply could not cope with the amount of information that comes through our eyes. So it has to filter out what is not relevant to ordinary everyday living. Paying my mortgage, doing my job, pleasing my boss, looking after my workers, taking the kids to school, etc. Now orbs don’t fall into those everyday categories of what’s necessary to live a normal life. However, if you bombard your brain with evidence of the existence of these realities, and you would do that by say, taking photographs on a regular basis over a lengthy period, every day, maybe take 100 or 200 pictures over a long period of time, something wonderful starts to happen because you’re going to start seeing those orbs with your naked eye. And you will not need the camera to spot them anymore. You may wish to photograph them for record purposes, but the brain will allow the images that are already coming in through your eye to be seen.
Alan Steinfeld
So in that sense the dimensions are breaking down.
Miceal Ledwith
Well I want to pick up on that in a second. I do want to say first though that you will be giving a keynote talk about this topic on November 10th in New York down at 49 White Street, which is at the Synagogue of the Arts. That’s Saturday, November 10th starting at 3:30. And then we’re actually going to be showing a film called Orbs Lifting the Veil, I think that’s the name of the film, world premiere by Hope and Randy Mead. Mihal will be speaking there along with Nancy Burson. And a few other very high energy people. Tanya Maidenford who spoke in Sedona at the Orbs Conference there. And probably get another one or two more scientists to do a very nice analysis of people who are open-minded to this phenomena. And so what you were saying before was that we don’t see the orbs, but in my, I was introduced to the orbs at the Ramtha School of Enlightenment and it was quite a breakthrough for me when I realized that I could also take pictures of these orbs that they would appear for me, I would sense them. So when I’m saying is there’s a sense sometimes for me that these beings are around and if I point the camera in a certain direction they most likely will appear. Do you find there’s a sensing of them with you?
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, well I normally can see them myself without any sensing other than that and that’s probably better, but there is definitely I think a sense of presence there that you can acquire very readily. And like you, I first heard of orbs at the Ramtha School of Ancient Wisdom and Ramtha gave a very long teaching about them five or six years ago. I had never heard of them before that except in a reference in J.Z. Knight’s own autobiography A State of Mind. So it was at that point, say in 2001 or 2, inspired by what I had heard at that teaching that I started out on this journey and someone kindly said to me a few weeks ago that I’ve probably got the largest collection of orb photographs in the world with nearly about 150,000 images. So I’ve devoted a lot of time to studying the phenomenon and trying to draw the best understanding that we can of what’s going on, how we might best take these pictures in what circumstances, what are they telling us about reality and so forth and that’s what’s in the book.
Alan Steinfeld
Well the other part of the book are these very sophisticated, complex, I mean what you seem to be getting are not just these circles of light, but they start to take on various forms and shapes and they start to expand it looks like. Is there anything you’re doing to make that happen?
Miceal Ledwith
Well there’s no doubt, Alan, that something does start to occur once you spend a lot of focus and a lot of time consistently on doing this. Things start to happen and certainly some of the very dramatic pictures that I have taken, say of the torsion vortices in particular, which as far as I’m aware have not appeared anywhere else in the world. I have no doubt at all that the reason that those vortices appeared was because of prolonged focus over a very long time. And now my friend Professor William Tiller, who has the foreword to the entire book, J.Z. Knight has the preface to my own section adding her own wisdom to it, but Professor Tiller believes that you can actually tune an area or a location as well as an instrument, say like a camera. So that more dramatic results and more complete communication happens between those dimensions. If you repeat the same thing time after time after time in the same place with the same instrument, with the same people, etc. So I think that that is something really, really vital in this investigation.
Alan Steinfeld
So that’s what you’ve been doing. I’m looking at the pictures of this circular field, this torsion field. Has this happened, so you’ve kind of trained the place you entrainment with this location, which is probably your front yard somewhere, right?
Miceal Ledwith
Yes, exactly. All of the pictures I’ve taken, Alan, are taken in my own property. I mean, I’ve always said to people, don’t go out to apparently high energy places in the dead of night risking life and limb in the darkness because that’s when we believe the ghostly and paranormal appear. Sit on your own front porch and they’ll do just as well. And you can do it in the daytime just as easily as at nighttime. This is why I think our whole vocabulary and understanding about what ghosts are is in for a radical shift. And I think you know as I said earlier, you and I talking tonight would be regarded as a miracle a century ago. I think we will eventually end up, once the scientific equipment and dedication is there, with being able to communicate with beings in those realms just as easily as you and I are communicating across 3,000 miles tonight.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, have you gotten any communication from the beings since you’ve really been around them, I mean they’re probably everywhere, but you’ve really kind of had some telepathic synchronicity or connection with them. What messages do you feel have come to you from these entities?
Miceal Ledwith
Well it’s that’s complicated to go into and I’m extremely suspicious of telepathy and I know it’s a reality, but it’s extremely subjective. So it’s very hard to be objective about it. That’s my only problem with it. I know it’s real, but to be sure it’s genuine is not so easy. And what I’ve tried to do in producing this book is to sort of give the hard facts that I was aware of in the hope that more people would get involved and would be able to build on what we have set down here and not be led astray off into blind alleys of one kind or another. Now I did establish a very cumbersome process of communication, which it would be a bit long to try and go into here. And that was quite interesting in itself. But I think that we will develop instrumentation to be able to communicate with these beings because in my own orb DVD which is coming out in about four weeks’ time called Exploring the World of Orbs, I will postulate there the existence of realms that correspond to those levels of light frequency that we are receiving. So it’s not just infrared light that we’re receiving. There is actually an infrared realm and the other frequencies of the spectrum are real as well. Like the x-ray spectrum must have corresponding to it an x-ray realm and a gamma ray realm, etc. So I think that we will develop means of a more direct communication with those areas just like in the past we developed means of communication between Europe and North America. And that we can communicate now with spacecraft out on the outer limits of our own solar system. All of these things would have been regarded as quite incredible even in our own lifetime. So I think that that stage is going to happen. And I think when we do, all of the stuff that we have believed about the paranormal, about the supernatural, about things that we call spirit, about what we call ghost, etc. We’re going to get a completely enlightened and improved understanding of what those are. Because the orbs do extrapolate themselves, if I may call it that, into forms like smoke or fog quite frequently and when they do that they often take on shapes resembling physical bodies here. And I’m quite sure that this is what has given rise to the phenomenon of ghosts and all of the things that unfortunately are tied with it around this time of year, tomorrow especially, because Halloween as you know has drifted so far away from the wonderful festival it was to the bizarre and the ghoulish now. It’s really you know the opposite end of the spectrum to where it should be as the Celtic new year, full of life and hope and joy.
Alan Steinfeld
What you said here is very interesting because obviously life seems to be abundant throughout the universe. And I think we’ll be getting proof of that in the next few years. But if it’s also abundant on this realm, it must also be abundant in the other levels of frequency in which case then we really have to redefine our whole concept of what life is and what consciousness is and what the nature of a spiritual existence is. And I think this is where the orbs are leading us.
Miceal Ledwith
Yeah, and we also have to redefine our understanding of reality because obviously there are many layers now of reality that we did not suspect. You know we talk about is there life on some planet somewhere, but that is still in this realm, this realm of frequency. Now we’re talking not about extraterrestrial life, we’re talking about interdimensional life.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. Right. The strange thing is there’s a whole paradigm of people out there who just I don’t know if they’ll ever really be ready for this. I mean there’s there’s so many people that are just caught up in their very mundane football, I don’t mean to judge anyone for you know, but there’s some people who just you know that this it just not gonna, not gonna get it. And it’s frustrating to me that…
Miceal Ledwith
Well that’s fine you know Alan, there are people who believe that the world was made by God 6,000 years ago during a particularly busy week. So I mean that’s fine that’s their privilege if they want to, you know adopt a certain attitude towards information, that’s fine. We’re not missionaries. We’re not trying to convert people to a point of view. We’re interested in laying out information as fairly and objectively as we can. There are people who will want to know that because they know that this is the truth about the reality we’re all living in. There are others who will have no interest for any number of good reasons and many more bad ones probably, but that’s their privilege. I mean we’re not out to persuade anyone.
Alan Steinfeld
No but the exciting thing about this is really about what the core teaching of the Ramtha school is which is making known the unknown, that’s what I feel is one of the foundations of that and when you when we’ve actually tapped into this realm of orbs it seems like there’s another layer of the unknown that just has revealed itself to us and stepped in and have created a whole new reality for us to explore. It’s very exciting.
Miceal Ledwith
It is absolutely exciting Alan I could not agree more with what you’ve said.
Alan Steinfeld
So what I get is that when we’re beyond our base level of survival and power and the first three seals we’re able to tap into the more subtle nature of what it is to be human and that’s the frustration I have in the sense that more people don’t seem to be coming from that and that’s fine as you say but it’s something is coming to planet earth and I think people need to be aware of it and…
Miceal Ledwith
Yes well that’s all we can do you know is put out the information there and I don’t think there was ever any time in human history when some new information that basically pulled the rug from under the traditional way of looking at reality there was never a time that that happened that a lot of people didn’t get upset and feel that they were losing you know all their firm footing on reality. This is not so. I mean this is a wonderful understanding of reality. And as I’ve said at some conferences at which I’ve spoken recently on the orb phenomenon, I’ve talked about orbs all over the world actually in Australia and Japan and South America etc. But you know I said I’m not here to collect a wonderful photograph album of orb pictures. I’m trying to understand what the implications of this phenomenon is for us. Because this phenomenon and several other phenomena are pointing to exactly the same conclusion in a new direction. Like even quantum physics. So what I get from this bottom line, grassroots cut to the chase is that I am seeing that there are beings that exist in other dimensions from the one you and I are sitting in tonight. And the difference between that dimension and this is basically one of frequency. Now if we’re living in a frequency dominated universe, then all of the information that has hit the headlines in the last few years, pre-eminently I suppose our own school, the Ramtha School of Ancient Wisdom, things that have hit the headlines more recently like The Secret and The Law of Attraction and all that stuff, it’s all about energy. And we know, and this is a really dark night of the soul experience, we know if we accept that, that the kind of frequency we ourselves are putting out there is magnetizing to us experiences of that same frequency. In other words, if I feel I’m a victim, if I feel I’m unfortunate that life has not been fair to me, woe is me, and all that stuff, I am only going to attract more of it to me. And on the other hand, if I decide that seeing realities as frequency-based, if I change the frequency, then realities of that changed frequency, whether that be joy or wealth or whatever else, is going to be magnetized to me as well. So the trouble with this, and the dis-attraction of it for most people, is that most people want to be taken care of. They want to be somebody up there watching them, who will take responsibility and look after them. Whereas now we’re seeing the truth of the teachings of Jesus Christ in particular about the power that is within us as children of the Most High God. We all have that energy coursing through us. We channel it into various areas depending on what we have accepted. If I have accepted doom and gloom and victimization, we’re channeling that divine energy as children of God into producing more of the same in our life experience. That to my mind is the greatest lesson that the orb phenomenon has to teach us in these early stages of the investigation.
Alan Steinfeld
So in a sense you can bring it down to that the orb phenomena shows us the power of the manifestation of our thoughts in creating reality in that sense.
Miceal Ledwith
Yes, because what the orb what any particular orb phenomenon or any of the many orb phenomena are showing because there are many varieties of them is that reality is frequency based and those entities that are there in the infrared realm or some other realm are just as real as you and I are. Because I’m sure to them you and I sitting here in the visible light world would be just as ghostly as they seem to us. And you know we have got away from the idea that the earth is at the center of the whole universe and that the visible physical universe is much more vast than we could ever have imagined even relatively recently. Now we’re faced with an even more magnificent panorama because we realize now that there’s not just a huge physical universe stretching out there like the Hubble telescope can show us any night we care to look. But there is even more magnificent dimensions and vistas beyond that in other frequencies which are presumably much greater than the one we are in.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, what’s even more amazing just about the visible universe is that that’s only a small fraction, that is only 5% of all the matter energy that is said to exist. Most of it being dark, dark matter and dark energy.
Miceal Ledwith
Absolutely correct. Yes. So, if this is not… Alan, what I would not like to happen is that people sort of get into a feeling of being threatened or helplessness. When we realize that reality is made up of frequency, then the next step to realize is that we can control that ourselves.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, that is one of the core teachings of the Ramtha school I know and the power that we live in, the frequencies we emanate, and we have the will through the miraculous vehicle of our brain to tune to any frequency that we put our intention on. And just for people to experiment by doing that, by intending a new frequency, a new frequency will show up in their life. It’s truly the workings of the divine essence of humans. And that’s what I think that’s what’s so important about the teachings of frequencies and it is what the orbs are saying. Because I think people who aren’t even open to orbs won’t even see it as a possibility of being entities at all, you know. So the orb phenomena challenges people to move to a new frequency of possibility. Does that make sense to you?
Miceal Ledwith
It absolutely does. That’s what I’m trying to express that, you know, it’s not just the wonders of some of these pictures that we get or the fact that we can see them with the naked eye after some time, after a couple of years, say, of practice. But the message is that these are real beings, just as real as you and I, except their frequency is different from ours. So now we begin to see that truly the universe is frequency-based. If the universe is frequency-based, we know, you and I, that we can take the bull by the horns and we can control our own reality. Exactly as you said, the core of the teaching of the Ramtha School of ancient wisdom. And I think that this is something that everybody needs to hear. At least that they have been offered the experience of realizing this in their own lives. Whether they do or not, of course, that is their absolute right and entitlement not to look at it. But at least it’s there for those who want it. And I think we have a magnificent new window opening up on the universe and where we fit into it and how we can dictate our lives under God, as the Constitution says, to manifest the kind of existence we would wish to have instead of being pawns, being buffeted around by much more powerful people, forces and agencies, which often can cause people to get into a completely different situation than they would wish to have.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, another key teaching of Ramtha is also that reality isn’t out there. Reality is the feeling inside. Reality is an internal phenomenon. It’s how we feel. It’s our attitude. It’s everything as Ramtha always said. It’s the feeling of what we think is out there, which really is the reality that we live in, the frequency. That’s what I say, comes to me about frequency specifically, and reality in general, is that it’s an inner creation. It’s not the effect of the world on the human. It’s the human’s effect on the world that creates reality. And that’s a big turnaround for people in their understanding of the nature of reality.
Miceal Ledwith
It is, but you know, it’s also, if we can convey the significance of this phenomenon or these phenomena correctly, I think it’s also a time of marvelous opportunity for people. And so many people who feel they’re in a dead end or they’re depressed or they don’t have room to think of anything except just survive in the rat race of everyday life. I think this information is a great lifesaver for them. And its opening up a crack which I think will only widen with the passage of time to see vast new horizons and possibilities, not just about beings that live in other dimensions, but how we can use the dimension that we are in to accomplish quite significantly different things, much more to our taste than we’re experiencing now. That’s the real message, I think.
Alan Steinfeld
Now, I think that is a great message. But let me ask you, and just to kind of play with the idea of telepathy, what are the orbs saying? What are they like as entities, if you could take a guess, or if you can just hypothesize, what are these beings? Is there a message that they have for us specifically from entity to entity? Is there anything that you’ve been told specifically? I know telepathy is not an absolute fact, but you’ve been in the school for quite a while, Master, and I think you must have gotten some impressions of what these beings are saying. Is there anything you can share about that?
Miceal Ledwith
Well, I did say that I of course absolutely accept the reality of telepathy. It is real. I am also equally assured that there are many things claimed to be telepathic that are not. Because people just don’t have the ability. The fact that a person can be a marvelous concert pianist doesn’t mean that everyone has to be a concert pianist. If someone is able to do telepathy, it doesn’t mean that everyone’s claim to be telepathic is valid. And all I’m saying is, if someone is putting out something there that has claimed to come through telepathy, I’m always a little bit nervous about it because I’m not sure whether it’s true or not. But that’s just personal preference for me on everything, whatever it is. But I’m not saying that I don’t believe in it. Of course, I do believe in it. But all I have to say is that we just have to use some form of discernment as to whether this is true information or someone’s fertile imagination.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. I follow you. But is there anything that you felt that was communicated to you?
Miceal Ledwith
Well, I’d said to you earlier in the program that I did have communication, but it was not telepathic. It was a very cumbersome, slow, but very rewarding process of communication, which will take me too long to describe, as I said earlier in a program like this, but it extended over several months and was not telepathic. I used another method.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, okay. I just was wondering what type of entities you feel these beings are? I mean, lots of people have opinions about aliens and other non-terrestrial beings, but I haven’t really heard anybody’s opinions about what these beings are like as an intellect…
Miceal Ledwith
Well, Alan, you know, it seems to me from the research that I have done and others as well, that there are as many types of orbs as there are types of people. And it’s not that there’s just one out there. That’s why I deliberately use the singular and the plural of phenomenon. I mean, there is an orb phenomenon, but there are many orb phenomena. And we have to, I think, have a first stage, if we’re going to get anywhere here, to get out of the imprisonment of thinking that the orbs are there for your and my benefit. People sometimes say to me, what are orbs supposed to do for me? And I say, what if an orb said to me, what are these people supposed to do for me, an orb? And why do we think we’re the center of everything? And that nothing can exist unless it’s there to serve me? That’s something like people believing in guides, spirit guides, and so forth, that some beings should be there to shepherd me all my life. That’s a terrible condemnation.
Alan Steinfeld
No, I agree with you there. There is some evidence though that they do seem to gather around music and around celebration and more joyful events. That is something that has been documented, it seems like. Is that true?
Miceal Ledwith
That is true. But I would think it might be better if we took that back to its core. It’s not so much that, you know, and some people will say they’re attracted to spiritual occasions, and some people will say they’re attracted to parties, and some people will say this, that, or the other. All of this is true. There are certain circumstances in which you will find more orbs than others. Now, the thing that really determines that, I think, is the frequency of the gatherings. So, it’s not so much happiness or religiousness or lightheartedness or whatever, it is the frequency that’s being emanated by whatever celebration or party or religious service or whatever else that makes it more attractive for the orbs to manifest themselves. Now, we have shown abundantly, number one, that obviously there are false orb pictures that can come from dust particles and rain and fog, etc. It is equally true that the fact that there are false orb pictures that there are real orb pictures as well. And that it is certainly true, after abundant investigation, that the orb phenomenon cannot be explained away as pollen in the air or dust particles or atmospheric water or anything else. There’s just far too much evidence for that. So, we don’t need to go there.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. Well, I think it’s very miraculous and it is evidence that there is a frequency shift happening. People just say digital cameras, but actually I remembered seeing some blue orbs in a camera that I took with film many years ago around Mount Rainier when I was first out in Washington. So, it’s not just digital cameras, isn’t that true?
Miceal Ledwith
That’s correct. It’s not just digital cameras, but the reason why you see much more in digital cameras is for the reason I explained earlier on. That the digital camera is able to access levels of frequency which a film camera is not. In other words, if an orb is going to manifest on film, and I have many of these examples myself from, I have some good examples from 1993, 15 years ago almost. So, if they’re going to manifest on film, on regular film I mean, as opposed to infrared film, then the orbs would have to lower their frequencies more than if they were allowing it to be captured on a digital camera.
Alan Steinfeld
I see. Okay. That explains… I mean, it’s very nice that I think you’re one of the few people that have put this much time into investigating the phenomena and it is a budding field of study. And has any video been taken of orbs at all? Do you know?
Miceal Ledwith
Oh, yes. I have some myself. For reasons, again, too long to go into here, I explain in the book and it will be expanded more in my own orb DVD, ‘The Mysterious World of Orbs’, I’ll be putting details of that on my own website, hamburguniverse.com. If you’re interested. But I think that we’re only at the beginnings and I think there’s much more exciting stuff coming up right away once we get into this and maybe are able to have more sophisticated instrumentation and help like that. But the orbs are not seen by reflected light. In other words, if I take a picture of you with a flash camera, your image is recorded on the CCD, the plate of the digital camera, by light bouncing off you and coming back into the lens. Now, I discovered early on that the orbs were not being recorded by reflected light just like people and dogs and cats and trees and houses were. Because I discovered that the light from the orbs was coming slightly afterwards. Now we’re talking about microseconds here. But the light from the orb was coming later than reflected light. And going back to my old classes in physics, I happened to remember what we learned about the process of fluorescence in physics. In other words, when the photons from the camera flash hit the orb, they turn into electrons and they spin the electrons in the orb, which tells you they are physical in some form, up to a higher shelf, as they say in physics. It’s like blowing up a balloon. And then when the stimulus stops, which is the stimulus from the camera flash, which is only maybe a ten-thousandth of a second, when the stimulus stops, the orb shrinks back close to its original size, slightly larger. And the surplus electrons that can no longer fit inside the shrinking balloon are expelled from the orb, and they turn into light photons. And it’s those light photons that are registered on the camera slightly after the reflected light. So we are capturing orbs mainly by fluorescent light, not reflected light. That means for most cases, you will always need, even in broad daylight, a camera flash to register them better. It’s not always necessary, but in the normal course of events, it’s far better even at high noon in brilliant sunshine to use a flash because that’s how we see them, through fluorescence, not reflection.
Alan Steinfeld
That is a great observation. That’s really brilliant. And I hope you share that at the upcoming conference on…
Miceal Ledwith
I certainly will. I’m very much looking forward to that conference, Alan, because you know, it is for all intents and purposes the official launch of our book. The official launch of Randy and Hope’s DVD on ‘The Orbs: The Veil is Lifting’. And my own DVD will be available about four weeks after that, which has about 500 pretty extraordinary images of orbs with the commentary by myself and an explanation.
Alan Steinfeld
Great. I’m looking forward to it. Yes. November 10th in New York City, 49 White Street. You can go to newrealities.com and on the right hand side of that website, there’s a special section for featured events. It says the orb conference. Click on there, or you can also call 212-473-6388 and order a ticket. I am talking with Miceal Ledwith, who is one of the stars of What the Bleep and is the co-author with Klaus Heinemann of the Orb Project, published by Beyond Words Publishing, a division of Simon & Schuster. He is also featured in this new movie out called Orbs: The Veil is Lifting by Hope and Randy Mead. Any closing words about orbs that you would like people to know? Miceal?
Miceal Ledwith
Well, as I say, I think Alan, we’re poised on the brink of a great explosion of discovery about the nature of the world in which we live and the human capabilities within it. I look forward very much to sharing, hopefully, with some at least of your listeners who may come to the conference where we can explore all these at length.
Alan Steinfeld
Great. Thank you. You’re absolutely right. We are on the brink of something new emerging within the mind of humanity. And it is the unknown. And the orbs are a first manifestation of some, I think, even greater phenomena that are gonna take us by surprise. But, you know, Heraclitus said ‘expect the unexpected.’ So, here we are.
Miceal Ledwith
Well, we’re certainly moving into very, very wonderful and surprising times. Positively surprising.
Alan Steinfeld
Absolutely. I totally think it is like the end of the Dark Ages for humanity and moving into the new times. So thank you, Miceal, for sharing all your investigations because you’re one of the few people to put as much energy and time into studying this phenomenon and I’m sure it will continue.
Miceal Ledwith
Well, thank you so much, Alan, for having me on the program. It was a great honor, and I look forward to seeing you very soon.
Alan Steinfeld
Yes. So I’m just gonna go out by playing this song called The Song of the Soul. And my name is Alan Steinfeld. And if you have any questions, you can email me at newrealities@earthlink.net. And if you want to order tickets for the conference coming up, you can call 212-473-6388. That is the Orb Conference, November 10th in New York City. Or check the website, newrealities.com. Thank you for listening, and this is the Song of the Soul by Cris Williamson.