New Realities recorded on May 7, 2008
Summary
Alan Steinfeld interviews Yvonne Smith, a certified hypnotherapist and author of ‘Chosen’, about her extensive work with victims of alien abduction and post-traumatic stress disorder. They discuss the traumatic nature of these experiences, the symptoms patients display, the intergenerational pattern of abductions, the hybrid program, and the skepticism the public and traditional therapy hold towards hypnotherapy and the alien phenomenon.
Transcript
Alan Steinfeld
Welcome to New Realities. This is Alan Steinfeld. Each week I bring to this program people I feel are really at the leading edge of consciousness and the evolution of our culture. And one important topic I feel are abductions, alien abductions. I know for myself that they’re true and for thousands of people around the world. They are an experience and we’ll be getting to really investigate that tonight with Yvonne Smith. Yvonne Smith is a certified hypnotherapist. She’s been working in the field for 18 years and I’m very happy she’s my guest tonight. Yvonne?
Yvonne Smith
Yes, hello.
Alan Steinfeld
Hi, thanks for being here. And you have a new book out called The Chosen?
Yvonne Smith
It’s called Chosen, Recollections of UFO Abductions Through Hypnotherapy.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. And you’ve been working with abductees for 18 years actually.
Yvonne Smith
About 18 years, yes.
Alan Steinfeld
Wow. And so there’s no doubt in your mind that this is a reality, right?
Yvonne Smith
That’s right. At this point there is no doubt that this is a very real phenomenon, a physical experience. It’s nothing that these people are making up or some type of psychosis. It’s something truly very bizarre and different is happening.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. And that’s what I wanted to talk to you about. Yvonne also works with post-traumatic stress syndromes as a result of abductions by these beings. But you know, there are thousands, I think, of people who have had these, probably tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands. Do they happen in the reality that we consent? It seems in my experiences there’s sort of an altered state. It actually feels like somehow another state of mind or consciousness. Do you find that to be true?
Yvonne Smith
Yes, I do find that to be true. Some people, in fact I just did a lecture and book signing this past Sunday and one of the questions I had from the audience was, was this an out-of-body type of experience? And of course it very well could be in some instances. But it is also very physical because the person or persons are actually missing from their normal environment. And then they do come back with physical marks on their body.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. But there is some quality, I mean I believe they’re physical too, but I also believe that these beings live in a slightly different… I mean to encounter them, it’s a shift in consciousness, I think.
Yvonne Smith
I think I agree with you, Alan. I think I agree with you there.
Alan Steinfeld
So when we meet them, it is physical reality, but it’s as if we’re almost inhabiting a different world because our consciousness is different.
Yvonne Smith
Absolutely. When someone has contact, they are absolutely encountering a different world, a different consciousness. I do agree with you there.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. So getting into the trauma of this, and I think it is traumatic. And let me just, my theory of the trauma is that these beings are so different than anything else that we can ever conceive of in our reality that it’s a shock, what John Mack used to call ontological shock. It’s a shock to the very fabric of the world we have insisted on being there. And that’s the trauma.
Yvonne Smith
That’s the trauma, absolutely it is. You know, as I explained to the audience this past Sunday and often when I lecture is, we did not grow up in our society studying about UFOs and extraterrestrial or alien beings. So when this contact happens, of course it is traumatic because there’s no point of reference. And when someone tries to explain or talk to someone else about this experience, many times they are not believed and the ridicule factor occurs and they feel that they’re violated a second time.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. I totally agree.
Yvonne Smith
So this is why those of us, myself, my colleagues Budd Hopkins, David Jacobs, the late John Mack have been working with this and trying to bring it out in the open. Although some of us have encountered some very negative feedback from the general public as you know. Dr. John Mack had encountered something very difficult from where he was employed at Harvard.
Alan Steinfeld
I know. He used to tell the story, because I’ve interviewed John a bunch of times and he was having dinner with the heads of the university and he was telling them how thousands of people really validated the experience. But Harvard said to him, because he was a psychiatry professor at Harvard, he said, can’t you call this a pathology of sorts? And he said, no, these people aren’t crazy, right?
Yvonne Smith
That’s right. And it’s absolutely true. As I mentioned before, being a certified hypnotherapist, I have the advantage of these people coming to me after they have had years of traditional therapy by psychiatrists, by psychologists. And there is just some area there, some small area that the traditional therapist cannot tap into. So they refer them to a person like myself.
Alan Steinfeld
Were you aware of it before you started doing hypnotherapy? Were you aware of the situation?
Yvonne Smith
I was only aware of it, Alan, when I read, when I picked up, as many of my clients did, when they told me the story of how this all opened up a can of worms for them. But I picked up the book Communion by Whitley Strieber, who I know very well. Well, at the time, of course, I didn’t know him. I had taken my son to a bookstore. He had to get some information for a school project. I happened to look at this book cover with the face of the alien. Of course, I didn’t know what it was. I just picked it up and read the side jacket information. And I just thought, my gosh, this is something that sounds very interesting. And it said it was a true story. And I very much am into real life drama, true story, because I just don’t have time for things that are fantasy. I read it in two days, Alan. I don’t read anything in two days. It just captured my attention for some reason. I have no idea. But I feel that studying hypnotherapy, working with PTSD victims, and going on to working with PTSD victims of abduction, this is my calling, for whatever reason.
Alan Steinfeld
So you didn’t have a problem believing the fact that this is happening when you first heard it?
Yvonne Smith
Well, you know, I didn’t accept it out of hand, but I’ve always been a very open-minded person, thanks to my parents. So I thought, you know, this is a gray area, as we have in our world, spirits, ghosts, whatever we want to call them. There’s many gray areas. And I wanted to look into this more. Because I knew that UFO sightings were very real. I mean, my parents brought to the attention to me when I was born in 1952. In 1952, I believe it was July, there was a huge sighting over Washington, DC. Several craft flying over. And I remember my parents talking to me about this. So I knew from a very young age that UFO sightings were very real. But of course I had never heard about abduction.
Alan Steinfeld
Right.
Yvonne Smith
And here we are. Somebody has to be flying these craft. And I think I was meant to, my calling was to help people that were experiencing this. Help them through and incorporate this into their lives.
Alan Steinfeld
There’s so much I want to ask you, like the government conspiracy on keeping this a secret. But there’s an endless debate about that. I do believe the government is keeping this a secret for whatever reason. But do you think the abductions are still happening? David Jacobs or no, John Mack I think said in one of his last books that he thought the whole thing was changing, the whole situation was changing. Do you believe that’s true?
Yvonne Smith
You know, people are still being, what do you want to say, abducted, taken. But I believe that we are heading towards the next phase. This is very difficult because of course I don’t have tangible proof yet. But I feel the next phase is having to do with the hybrid program. I feel that, especially in my book, the one chapter about John, who was presented his baby. It was very difficult for him to even get through three sessions before he would even look at the baby in the tank. Well, when I did an interview with him, because I said the reading audience would want to know how you’re doing now. And we did almost a two-hour interview for the book. And he talked about being taken periodically to their environment to interact with his child, to teach this child certain things about living here on Earth. And he said, I knew I was limited, I could only teach him certain things, but they obviously needed him to interact with his child. Now he knows his child is older and is ready to, in other words, leave the nest.
Alan Steinfeld
Right.
Yvonne Smith
It’s very interesting. And to see the emotional growth and spiritual growth of John when he started out to be extremely traumatized and he couldn’t even talk about this when I first met him. And when I founded CERO, Close Encounter Resource Organization, he came to the meetings and when he spoke about his experience, all he could do is cry. Then he’s talking about the growth and helping his child develop. It was amazing. And I have it in his chapter, the end of his chapter, because I thought it was very important for the reading audience to know what is going on with the hybrid program.
Alan Steinfeld
I think so. Actually, I think in a dream state I was handed one of these little children. To me it looked like a deer, a big animal, a child-sized deer with big eyes. I know those are screen memories, but I didn’t feel any emotional connection to this being. It sort of freaked me out in a way, you know?
Yvonne Smith
Sure, of course. I’m pretty sure that if you felt it was a deer with large eyes, it was a screen memory. Maybe the only way at the time that you would be able to deal with it.
Alan Steinfeld
Right, but I was conscious enough to know. Well, they sort of woke me up, whoever these beings were, by sort of rubbing this thing inside my inner thigh, and that was sort of a strange way to wake somebody up. And then they put this thing in my hands and I was left to connect with it I guess, but I didn’t, because it was just so odd. And then I just went back to sleep I guess. Let me ask you, have you had other experiences?
Yvonne Smith
Very vivid dreams of seeing a child or these children?
Alan Steinfeld
You know I don’t have any other dreams of seeing children. I have dreams of being on a craft, I have dreams of high-pitched noises in my ear, but that was the only time I remembered really having something to deal with. I do think there was DNA extracted from me, I do have memories of that. But no, I don’t have any… I don’t know, maybe my recall is not as clear, maybe I need some hypnotherapy.
Yvonne Smith
And so you’ve never had a regression?
Alan Steinfeld
No, I never really had a formal regression. I had somebody who did sort of something, but he wasn’t trained in it. Actually, it freaked him out to start to deal with it. I mean, you really have to find someone like you who’s familiar with the subject, who’s dealt with this, who’s skilled at looking at the markers, I think.
Yvonne Smith
And that’s very true. Yes, you have to be very careful who you seek out to work with you on, especially something like this. Because even when I went through hypnotherapy college, Alan, this was not taught. You know, Abductions 101 was not taught. I just learned the mechanics of hypnosis. And I feel with many callings in our life that I was just meant to do this work. You just have to know how to pose the question, what to do when someone begins reliving the experience, how to calm the person down. Believe me, when I first started my work, I had 6’5″ men that owned their own businesses practically jump off the couch because they began reliving the experience. And you have to know how to calm that person down.
Alan Steinfeld
But how come people say hypnosis isn’t valid? I mean, there’s a lot of people who claim that about, especially with abductions.
Yvonne Smith
You know, I just really feel that hypnosis has really been, as my colleague Budd Hopkins called it, the whipping boy the last few years. It’s so easy to blame hypnosis. However, it is a very useful and valid tool in extracting hidden memories. The problem is that the person that is doing the hypnotherapy work has to be a skilled person and an educated person. And when someone can take a weekend course and hang up the shingle to call themselves a hypnotherapist, which is very unfortunate. I believe that the state of California is now growing into a different phase with hypnotherapy where they’re going to license hypnotherapists. Now I’m certified, and just as they do with psychologists and so forth, they will begin licensing hypnotherapists, which I feel would be very important and a good step to follow.
Alan Steinfeld
So I mean I’m familiar with this, but are there people out there, maybe you could talk about the symptoms of a post-traumatic stress abduction. Because I’m sure there’s people who have something going on and they don’t even suspect being abducted by aliens is something as far out as that. What kind of symptoms do people have that would signify this that they wouldn’t know that something like this was going on?
Yvonne Smith
Well you know, it usually will follow or many times will follow just a sighting of a very bright light, or even a strange object. I’ve had families that have seen an object in the sky that they couldn’t identify. And the strange part of this phenomenon is they’ll say they’ll be out in their backyard, they’ll see a strange craft, they’ll turn around, walk back in the house, and not talk about this for 10 years. Then some of them will have very vivid dreams, or recurring dreams, or fear of a certain place, a certain room in their home. The recurring dreams are very common. The red flag for me, and of course I’ll have to then they describe what the vivid dream is.
Alan Steinfeld
Would they feel anxiety for no reason or what other?
Yvonne Smith
Yes, it’s something that they really cannot pinpoint, but many times following, as I mentioned, a sighting or seeing a light in the sky or seeing something very strange in their room. Of course, we don’t have a point of reference as I mentioned before. So they’ll say there was a little ghost in my room or the children will call them little doctors, because there is no, or say a cartoon character. But this does begin in childhood, as you probably know, Alan, it starts in childhood.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, I know. But would they exhibit, like someone who wasn’t even familiar with the whole experience, never even read a book that has, would they exhibit some type of strange behavior sometimes?
Yvonne Smith
Sure. Well, it’s a post-traumatic stress disorder. It happens when someone experiences a traumatic event. Now, in my regular practice, I work with many people who have had car accidents, and that happens very often where they have difficulty getting back in their car driving, driving through the intersection where they were hit. And it was very interesting to me because the post-traumatic stress disorder symptoms that these people had, car accidents or say they were rape victims or something other than UFO related, displayed the same type of symptoms as someone who had contact experience with a UFO.
Alan Steinfeld
Like what are those symptoms? Yeah.
Yvonne Smith
As I mentioned, reoccurring dreams, nightmares, a fear of a certain place, a certain stretch of road, a certain room in their house. But we have to differentiate. In order, why I do a life history, I have them fill out a life history questionnaire and I go through questioning them about family history and so forth. But it’s a process.
Alan Steinfeld
No, but it must be very strange for these people to exhibit post-traumatic stress disorders with no visible traumatic stress. A lot of people don’t even know. And so that’s the strange thing that you’re dealing with. People come to you and they say nothing happened or nothing to their conscious awareness happened, right?
Yvonne Smith
Well, it’s after maybe a sighting or something very obvious but not obvious to them immediately is the missing of one or more hours of time when they’re driving down a highway from, say, the local airport to home. They know it takes maybe two hours at the most. And they didn’t arrive till four hours later. And 20 years later, they all of a sudden think, what happened? Why did that take so long? Or they knew that when they arrived at home, they thought, why am I so late? Or the family are upset, why are you so late? And that haunts them for years and years. A classic case, and I just had Stan Friedman and Kathleen Martin, Betty Hill’s niece, speak here in Southern California, we had an event. The Betty and Barney Hill case was a very historic case because that was the first documented missing time case.
Alan Steinfeld
Missing time and first real documented abduction case, yeah.
Yvonne Smith
Double, and it was a double abduction. Now, in my book, I talk about two double abduction cases which involved missing time. And so I feel that this phenomenon, we still have so much to learn about this. I think we’re just tapping the tip of the iceberg, but we just know that something is occurring. And yes, I feel that we’re going onto the next phase, as I mentioned, having to do with the hybrid program. I feel that people have had contact here on Earth with the perfected hybrids. And they’re being filmed and pictures are being taken. Because of our technology now with cell phone cameras and video cameras and so forth, this is going to be happening more and more.
Alan Steinfeld
Do you ever think there’ll be a time where we really embrace them openly, these hybrid and alien beings, and they become part of our everyday reality?
Yvonne Smith
Well, that’s the whole thing, Alan. I’m hoping that that is going to be the scenario. In my book, I talk about, what is the purpose of the hybrid program? Is it that they’re perfecting these hybrids where they’re going to come down here or be down here and live side-by-side with us, or are they here for a more sinister program of taking over, like the Invasion of the Body Snatchers, right? What do you think at this point we don’t know? That’s the unnerving part of it. We don’t know.
Alan Steinfeld
But what’s your general feeling about that? What do you think?
Yvonne Smith
You know, I have not drawn a conclusion about it yet. I just know that people have come across them here. I’m hoping that they will want to be here side-by-side with us for whatever reason, whatever is happening with their planet. Because I think as human beings, we would embrace them.
Alan Steinfeld
We would not.
Yvonne Smith
We would if we knew that they weren’t here to do us any harm. I think if they wanted to wipe us out, Alan, as you know, that would have happened in the 40s or 50s or whenever. But…
Alan Steinfeld
Why do you think people will really embrace them? We hardly even embrace each other. I mean, look how many wars, people are…
Yvonne Smith
Well, that’s the problem too. Do we blame them for not showing themselves blatantly? They always say, people that are not versed in this and educated in this whole field, why don’t they land at the White House lawn? That’s the pat question. Well, my gosh, as you mentioned, we can’t even get along with each other. Right. I would just hope that if they came down and introduced themselves, that we would embrace them.
Alan Steinfeld
Right, I would think so. But why do you think, is it a normal aspect of psychology to block this out, or do you feel the aliens are blocking the memory? That’s an important question I’ve had for a long time.
Yvonne Smith
Alan Steinfeld, I think both. I think our subconscious job is to protect us. So anytime someone suffers a traumatic event, whether it’s an accident, a rape, a child abuse, or an abduction, the subconscious will block it out or block a percentage of it out. Right. And I feel that part of it could be the abductors blocking out the memory, erasing part of the memory. However, they haven’t been able to block out all of it, because people like myself are able to tap into the hidden memories. But I honestly don’t think that they have meant to block everything out. Because I think if they’re so far advanced than we are, I wouldn’t be able to tap into it at all if they really wanted people to forget.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. So when do you think the whole abduction program actually started on this planet?
Yvonne Smith
Oh gosh, it could have been hundreds and hundreds of years ago.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, really? It’s not a recent phenomenon, you don’t feel?
Yvonne Smith
Well, you think about the cave paintings of thousands of years ago, where they see cave paintings of very strange beings with large heads and flying machines drawn next to them. You see the Nazca lines in Peru, where you could only see them from the sky. That’s another very strange phenomenon.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, like the crop circles, you can only really see from the sky.
Yvonne Smith
The crop circles are, I feel, another form of communication from them. So no, this hasn’t been… I mean, the first publicized case here in the United States was the Betty and Barney Hill case in the early 60s, but I just know that this stems back from way, way before that. I believe that Antonio Villas Boas in South America, I can’t remember the exact country, but I believe that was even before the Betty and Barney Hill case.
Alan Steinfeld
And if you read the Charles Fort books, he reports about UFOs in the 1800s. Do you know Charles Fort?
Yvonne Smith
I do not know him, I’ve heard the name.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, he checked out a lot of anomalies. He lived around the turn of the century of the early 1900s and scoured newspapers all around the world and found very anomalous reports about different activities in the sky. And yeah, he was just way ahead of his time predicting these things.
Yvonne Smith
Very interesting.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah. So what do you do then? Okay, so people have been abducted, they’ve had trauma, and how do you work with them?
Yvonne Smith
What I do is, once I go through the background and the family history and spoken to their therapist, in other words to establish that the person is stable and not fantasy prone and so forth and so on. I regress them back to a particular time and place. It could be when they were five years old or 20 years old, depending on what has been on their mind, what is the most important event or memory or vivid dream that they feel they really need to tap into. And I use my hypnotherapy training, and it’s basically a mental massage, mental back rub, getting them into a deep state of relaxation, and then just bringing them back to that particular month, day, year and starting there. And depending on what happens now, nothing could come out at all. Sometimes all kinds of information comes forward. I just never know.
Alan Steinfeld
So do they get to heal the trauma, the post-traumatic stress syndrome? And how do they get to heal that, though?
Yvonne Smith
It seems that when the memories, and many times they’re very frightening because when the person is regressed they relive the trauma they experienced. But even though it may be frightening, I explain to them that once we bring the memories up to the surface, to a conscious level, they will feel much relief. Because then they’ll know, hey, this is what I’m dealing with. And there are other people, they’re not alone in other words. And that’s why I established CERO, for them to eventually come to the group meetings once they know what it is.
Alan Steinfeld
So what is the most frightening thing that people experience? What is it that really freaks them out?
Yvonne Smith
Oh, of course, being placed on an examination table. Then they start seeing the alien medical instruments. We don’t know what they’re called, and many times we don’t know what some of these things are for. All we know is go by the descriptions of the abductee when they’re on the examination table. And they have needle-like instruments and they’re poked and prodded, and sperm is taken, ovum is taken, and then they’re eventually presented with these very strange-looking babies. Or they’re taken into another room and they’re shown pictures of devastation of the Earth. That’s another phase of this. Earthquakes and tsunamis and just all this devastation and being told that we’re not taking care of our planet and we really need to pay attention because this might happen. So the messages that are given to these abductees are just, I feel that they’re too much sometimes for any individual to absorb all at once, especially going through this very strange experience that they had no idea could happen.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. So do they get used to it eventually? I mean, I know Jim Sparks says he’s used to it and stays very conscious. Have you talked to him and other people?
Yvonne Smith
I met Jim in Laughlin. And yes, other people of course have. Many of them say it’s not that I’ve accepted it, but I know that I can’t stop it and it’s part of my life and now I just want to understand it. Basically what they want to do is they want to understand it.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. I mean, I know it must have affected… people can become alcoholics and lots of things if they haven’t, right?
Yvonne Smith
Oh yes, that’s something that I’ve spoken to Budd about over the years. He said in his support group… he asked me, do you have a lot of smokers? And I said, yes, I do. Because he said the ashtrays are just overflowing. It’s a way of someone trying to numb themselves from… as I mentioned before, it’s a trauma. So they try to numb themselves by drinking or sometimes taking drugs, smoking, a diversion. But they eventually know that it’s not going to stop it. And they know that they’re heading towards a very destructive road there.
Alan Steinfeld
It’s a trauma, but have you worked with anyone who’s actually physically harmed during their abduction experience?
Yvonne Smith
Physically harmed as far as with the alien medical experiments or examinations, but mainly it’s the emotional part of it. Now with women, I must say, they’ve suffered from very strange gynecological problems. And we feel that that could be part of what they do when they interfere with regular pregnancies.
Alan Steinfeld
Or they implant fetuses in women, I have heard, and then for three months, a couple of months, and then they remove them, right?
Yvonne Smith
Exactly, exactly. And I know we don’t have any evidence that it is because of the aliens. However, these women have experienced this all of their lives, so we could only surmise that it’s because of the alien intervention, in other words.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. And so how many people have you worked with?
Yvonne Smith
Oh gosh, I haven’t done a complete count, but somebody asked me that just this past week, and it could be close to a thousand cases.
Alan Steinfeld
Really, wow.
Yvonne Smith
Over the last 18 years.
Alan Steinfeld
And what’s your percentage of the US population, let’s just say, do you feel has had experiences that they may or may not know of?
Yvonne Smith
Well, I remember the Roper poll. They did a Roper poll, they sent out questionnaires, I forget to how many people.
Yvonne Smith
It was something like 5% or something of the population, I mean…
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, it was one in 50.
Yvonne Smith
Isn’t that incredible?
Alan Steinfeld
That had anomalous type of experiences that could point to an abduction. Yes, it’s very incredible.
Yvonne Smith
I mean, if that’s one out of 50 people, that is like practically every other person you see on the street in New York.
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, exactly. And that’s why I talk to audiences, I say, what would you do if a family member came to you or a friend of yours who you’ve known for years and you know they are a stable person, all of a sudden told you, ‘I’ve been having this experience.’ Because that could happen.
Yvonne Smith
Or the other way around, you tell people and they refuse to believe it. Like my mother, I’m pretty sure, and I’m sure you agree that it follows generations, right?
Alan Steinfeld
Yes it does, absolutely does.
Yvonne Smith
And so I remember my mother telling me the only time she ever lived out of New York was in 1947, she was in the Southwest, and then she developed a fear of cats. And she doesn’t believe anything I believe, but I said, ‘You know that does sound like you’ve had some kind of abduction experience,’ and she just refuses to believe it.
Alan Steinfeld
In 1947 she was in the Southwest? That’s when Roswell happened.
Yvonne Smith
Exactly, I thought that was very strange. The only time she ever lived out, she was in Tucson, but she was out there for her allergies, and I guess she was like 12 years old or something. But isn’t that strange, she was out there in ’47.
Alan Steinfeld
My goodness. You said ’47, Southwest, my God.
Yvonne Smith
I know, right there. And she said her and her mother used to get lost in the mountains, and it just seemed like I was able to pinpoint that lineage of generations for me of abductions, you know.
Alan Steinfeld
Absolutely, it does run intergenerational. We know that for a fact. I’ve worked with many families. For whatever reason they choose these particular people and families, we don’t know because everybody comes from different ethnic backgrounds, socio-economic backgrounds. And that’s why I named my book ‘Chosen’.
Yvonne Smith
But don’t you think…
Alan Steinfeld
Some people feel they were chosen for a higher purpose, other people are still going through the anger of ‘Why did this happen to me? I didn’t give them permission to do this.’
Yvonne Smith
So do you think they’re gene splicing, I mean was that taking a couple of genes for your eyes and this person’s hair and they’re creating a synthesis in these beings?
Alan Steinfeld
Yes. I think over the years these hybrids are being perfected. I think that’s why my one client, John, the chapter about John, he was periodically abducted and taken to his child to teach him and direct him and so forth. It’s just very, where are these hybrid children going to go? And are they as we have spoken about before, are they going to live among us?
Yvonne Smith
Now do you think that’s the main purpose though for the abductions?
Alan Steinfeld
I think it’s very central. I don’t know if it’s the main purpose, but it sure seems to be a very principal part of the whole phenomenon.
Yvonne Smith
And did you say you think the abductions are still happening? Are you getting cases?
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, I think they’re yes. People are having ongoing experiences.
Yvonne Smith
But it’s changing, you said.
Alan Steinfeld
I think slightly towards this whole hybridization. But then there’s people still coming forward who are just beginning to know or realize that they’ve had this experience. So I go from square one with these because of course they need to know, to the other side of the spectrum of people feel that they come across these very human-looking alien beings, of course they don’t know that’s who they are. But in my last chapter in my book talks about a woman who feels she came across a very human, but very different because he read her mind.
Yvonne Smith
Right, right.
Alan Steinfeld
Her name’s Rita Gaines and she’s the last chapter. And I wanted to add another chapter of something very similar but I just ran out of time and my publisher said we have to get this done. I could have kept adding.
Yvonne Smith
Who is your publisher?
Alan Steinfeld
It’s Backstage Entertainment. And if anyone would like to order the book ‘Chosen’, they can do so on my website at www.ysmith.com. And I’m hoping that, because I’m putting it out there, Alan, because I just feel that we just need to keep educating people about this phenomenon.
Yvonne Smith
So you’ve had people come to you with new experiences, or people who have just recently remembered old experiences? I’m just curious because…
Alan Steinfeld
Both.
Yvonne Smith
Because they stopped abducting me, I think, I don’t remember having an experience in a really long time.
Alan Steinfeld
You know it’s a very curious phenomenon that people that I’ve worked with for years that are part of CERO have had a break, you know they haven’t had an experience for months or years. And then something happens. In other words, with John, I’ll use John as an example. When he had not had an experience for a very long time, probably a couple years. We did that interview for about an hour and a half, two hours, and the next morning, Alan, he woke up with a triangle on his hand.
Yvonne Smith
Wow.
Alan Steinfeld
And it’s almost he felt them telling him, ‘We know you talked to her, we know what you’re doing, we’re here. We’re not going away, we’re here.’
Yvonne Smith
So that’s what I’m saying back at the beginning of the interview, that they sort of exist in this multi-dimensional realm. And that’s why it’s so hard to actually put your finger on them because they’re physical but not quite in the physical in the same way we’re physical, I think.
Alan Steinfeld
And we’re really not in control of this whole experience right now. I know many people that I’ve met feel it’s all positive. And I let them have that. If they feel it’s all positive, I’m not going to take that away from them. But I feel that the majority of people don’t feel that it’s all positive. They started out being very traumatized over it. Although they eventually over the years have incorporated it into their lives. But we still do not know what the aliens’ ultimate plan is, and that’s what’s unnerving.
Yvonne Smith
Right, I do tend to think it’s more positive. Like you said, if they wanted to take over they would have, and it is traumatic because we’re not taught about the real nature of reality. I think actually we exist on all those realms as well, but we’ve been locked into believing we’re just here in this limited space, right?
Alan Steinfeld
I’m hoping that it is true that eventually they’re going to want to live side by side with us. I certainly would welcome them as long as they tell me what they’re doing, and especially with me doing this work. I talk to them all the time saying, ‘You have to tell me what you’re doing so I can help these people even more.’
Yvonne Smith
When you say you talk to them, how do you talk to them?
Alan Steinfeld
I just talk to them. Sometimes I walk outside and I just say, ‘Okay guys, you gotta give me some more information so I want to be a better therapist.’ So I just know that I’m supposed to be doing this work and I really appreciate you doing shows like this, Alan.
Yvonne Smith
No, it’s very exciting for me because I think we are in the middle of a transition, and I think this evidence will come out more and more, and it’s time we just open the whole thing up to a new possibility of what’s out there and who we are, and the fact that there’s more to the universe than we’ve been conditioned to believe is out there.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh yes, there’s just so much that we just don’t understand, but sometimes I think it’s exciting because the world isn’t black and white, and there’s many things that we still have yet to learn.
Yvonne Smith
What do you think of Rick Strassman’s book about the DMT experiences modeling the abduction experiences? Have you read that?
Alan Steinfeld
I have not. What is that all about?
Yvonne Smith
These people have been given this drug called DMT, I think a hallucinogen, but they seem to have internal abduction-like experiences, seeing beings, seeing themselves being operated on, just in their own minds through the use of this drug. And this researcher named Rick Strassman has done that work, there’s also a new book out called ‘The Inner Paths to Outer Space’, also by Rick Strassman and some other people, talking about these drug experiences modeling types of alien abduction experiences. So he’s saying these experiences could possibly exist in an inner world inside of us.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, but you’re talking about these people given a certain drug?
Yvonne Smith
Yes, DMT.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, these people that I’ve worked with, hundreds of people, have not been given this drug.
Yvonne Smith
Oh no, they haven’t. But they’re saying the people who have, have had similar experiences. I know most people haven’t been, but there’s people that they’ve tested…
Alan Steinfeld
Probably because they’ve been exposed to the details of the experience. I just don’t believe, I am sorry Alan with people coming out with theories like this.
Yvonne Smith
No no. What I think though is that people are reliving the experiences that they buried in their subconscious because of the use of these drugs. I think that might be what’s happening.
Alan Steinfeld
That could be. I don’t know, I’d have to read what he had to say. I hope he’s not saying that it is all drug induced.
Yvonne Smith
No no no, I don’t think he’s saying that. I’m not sure what he’s saying, but he’s saying it’s interesting because I know these are, I know they’re real. And I know it’s a paradigm shift to have the rest of the population realize that these are also real experiences. What do you think it’ll take for that, for the world to wake up and validate this?
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, maybe a blatant sighting. But unfortunately we had that sighting, that very good sighting over O’Hare airport a couple of years ago where many witnesses, pilots and ground crew saw it and took pictures, and still they try to explain it away. I don’t know what it’s going to take, Alan. Maybe it will take the skeptics and debunkers being abducted and having to seek out people like me for help. That’s probably what it’s gonna take.
Yvonne Smith
In this few minutes left, talk about your organization CERO and how that worked with people.
Alan Steinfeld
Close Encounter Resource Organization is an organization I founded for people who wanted to come together, it’s a support group to talk about their experiences in a very safe environment. Talked about all these theories or fears, they could laugh, they could cry. It’s just, I’ve had hundreds of people coming in and out of CERO, and it’s been great because they’ve become like a family to me and to each other. But it is a private group, it’s not a public group where they pay dues, but I purposely kept it private because of having a safe haven for them.
Yvonne Smith
And how often do you meet?
Alan Steinfeld
Once a month. And anybody who would like to email me at yvonne@ysmith.com or go through my website at www.ysmith.com, and they can contact me and order my book and DVD on my interview with Budd Hopkins. And I have another project coming up, I have another book that I’m going to be writing, and of course with all my upcoming lectures and appearances. I just wanted to keep putting it out there, Alan.
Yvonne Smith
Great. One more question I wanted to ask you about the abductions. Do people report having a relationship with an alien of the opposite sex? A specific alien sometimes?
Alan Steinfeld
Sometimes, yes. And I may at some point write about that. I know Budd wrote about that in his book about the Linda Cortile case.
Yvonne Smith
Right. And there’s that woman Eve down in Southern California, what’s her name?
Alan Steinfeld
Oh yes, I remember Eve, I met her a few years ago.
Yvonne Smith
Yeah, she had some interesting experiences.
Alan Steinfeld
That does happen, that does happen.
Yvonne Smith
Right. Seem to be a significant feature in some cases. Like there’s a guy named David Huggins out here who’s a painter, who’s painted his whole abduction experience. You’d love that.
Alan Steinfeld
Amazing. Are you going to be in New York at all lecturing?
Yvonne Smith
I hope so, so spread the word because I’d love to come back. I’ve been to New York several times to do shows and interviews, the last time I was out there for the Montel Williams show.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, great. Well I’m working on it with an organization called Culture of Contact, and we might do something next October, we maybe can invite you.
Yvonne Smith
I’d love to come back, I love New York. And Alan, thank you so much for having me.
Alan Steinfeld
Thank you. I’ve been talking with Yvonne Smith, the author of ‘Chosen’. And the publisher again is who?
Yvonne Smith
Backstage Entertainment.
Alan Steinfeld
Backstage Entertainment. And your website is ysmith.com?
Yvonne Smith
It’s www.ysmith.com.
Alan Steinfeld
Right, right. And yeah, I look forward to reading the book and talking to you again and having you back on the show.
Yvonne Smith
Thank you, Alan, I look forward to it too.
Alan Steinfeld
Thank you, thank you. This is Alan Steinfeld for New Realities, and if you want to reach me you can email me at newrealities@earthlink.net, you can also check my website newrealities.tv or newrealities.com. And we’ll see you next week. Thank you.