New Realities recorded on May 13, 2007
Summary
In this radio show Alan Steinfeld interviews Dr. Patti Taylor, author of ‘Expanded Orgasm: Soar to Ecstasy at Your Lover’s Every Touch’. She shares her personal journey from a conventional life in finance to experiencing a profound Kundalini awakening that transformed her understanding of sexuality and spirituality. Dr. Taylor explains the concept of expanded orgasm, drawing upon Kashmiri Shaivism, and emphasizes how these experiences can be a path to transcendence and an end to the illusion of separation. She also highlights the potential for anyone to achieve these states through specific practices and shifts in awareness, ultimately advocating for a deeper connection with oneself and the divine through the conscious experience of pleasure.
Transcript
Alan Steinfeld
Welcome to New Realities and New Realities Radio. My name is Alan Steinfeld, and this is a radio program of a television show I’ve been doing for the last 15 years in Manhattan Cable, and the theme of this or the themes of New Realities is dedicated to exploring evolving potentials in an evolving world. This series explores the idea of how to become more conscious beings. I present programs that invite the listener to look at their automatic behaviors and take free rein of their body, minds and spirits so that we can help to inhabit a better planet, a better world. And this program is constantly on the lookout for new and different perspectives in achieving a greater and more peaceful reality for the planet. It’s about embracing a synthesis of rational understanding with mystical awareness. It’s a program that I hope to expand the consciousness of people listening by expanding my own consciousness. So I look for people, basically, who are bringing new ideas and old ideas back into the public forum. Tonight we have a very exciting guest and someone who’s really used her life as an experiment, her life and her body and her experience of reality. She’s Dr. Patti Taylor. I’ll be talking about giving a more of a formal introduction in about five minutes to her. But at the beginning of this show, I usually like to talk about the events that are going on mostly in and around New York, and there are events that New Realities or me, Alan Steinfeld, host and sponsor or somehow collaborate with. And when I say this May, May 17th, which is Thursday, there’s going to be a talk at 4 West 43rd Street about the Truth of Global Warming, and global warming has sort of become the hot issue, so to speak, of the hour. But there’s many different controversies around that, what is causing global warming and what we can do about it. And there’s someone coming to town called the Internet Skeptic that says that global warming is really not a man-made phenomenon, but it’s a natural phenomenon. And all this reaction is really another way of brainwashing and controlling us. So that’s his opinion, and it’s not quite my opinion until I see the presentation. What else is coming up? John D. Martini, for those who don’t know him, he was in The Secret, and he’s going to be giving a talk on life mastery and achieving your destiny on May 31st. And if you have questions about John’s work, and I highly recommend his work because John, if you saw The Secret, talked about how he was basically autistic, he couldn’t read, he couldn’t write, and people just ignored him. And he decided that he wanted to make something of his life. So he taught himself how to read and write and focus his energy, and he wanted to be a world-class speaker, and now he’s achieved that goal. He’s able to inspire others, and he has a great method of letting go of the past, of dissolving all the attachments we have, which he calls a Martini method. And he’s going to be doing that in something called the breakthrough intensive in New York on June 2nd and 3rd. So if you have any questions about that, you can go to DrDeMartini.com or call 212-473-6388. After this show, let’s see, what else is coming up? You can also tune into this is very exciting, the World Global Peace Meditation Day, next Sunday, May 20th. And that is a worldwide meditation at 12 noon. For those in New York, we will be gathering in Central Park at the Rainbow Picnic, which is 103rd Street towards the West Side. If you have any questions about that, email newrealities@earthlink.net. I don’t like to get too much in the beginning because it just sounds like a shopping list. So if you are interested in calendar events and updates, please email me at newrealities@earthlink.net. and I will send you a whole calendar listing of events in May. And in New York, mostly, and also around the world. Just another little news announcement it was, I just got back from a trip to Italy to a spiritual community called Damanhur, which is D-A-M-A-N-H-U-R. And their community is dedicated to the revelation of Spirit, which means that everything in this little microcosm of a thousand people is dedicated to a new way of perception. So its founder, called Falco, who means falcon, they’ve created new models in health and healing and science and technology. They’ve built an underground temple. It’s really a phenomenal place that I recommend at least looking up on the internet, Damanhur.com, D-A-M-A-N-H-U-R. Okay, that’s sort of enough for announcements right now. I want to welcome all the new listeners to BBS Radio because tonight’s guest has sent out a great email and I think we’ll have some of her fans listening. So I’ll just give a little intro, and then we’ll get Dr. Patti Taylor on the line. So Dr. Patti Taylor is the author and master and pioneer of something called expanded orgasm, a path of divine rapture. This is a deep connection through transformative sensuality into your physical, mental, and emotional levels of consciousness. It says here, your work with Patti Taylor this is an excerpt from a little brochure about her speaking tonight. And what the workshops she’s doing in New York with a variety of techniques, attitudes, and states of ecstasy that will profoundly enhance your ability to give and receive pleasure in this enjoyable and joyful process, you and your partners will learn to be master teachers for others. And what she’s really going to talk about tonight is a spiritual path she sort of came upon in this work of expanded orgasm called Kashmiri Shaivism. And Kashmiri Shaivism is an oral tradition coming out of Kashmir about the true Tantric path of awakening and initiation. And we’ll be getting into what Tantra is. Other shows I’ve done on the subject. But Patti will start us from I hope ground zero and we’ll work our way back into the deep levels of consciousness and manifestation that Kashmir Shaivism is a product of or talks about. So it’s a spiritual path. And it’s a spiritual path that includes the body and what it is to be in the body and to realize consciousness in the body. So just waiting for Patti to come on the line. Patti, are you there yet?
Patti Taylor
I am here. Hi Alan.
Alan Steinfeld
Hi. So, um, I will wait for that. And just a little more background about tonight’s show. I also will take phone calls if you go to BBS radio on what you probably are on. There’s phone numbers there. And if it towards the second half hour, if there’s anyone who has what wants to ask a question, I will take the phone calls. Patti’s website is ExpandedLovemaking.com and she is a doctor. She’s, well, I have her tell her some of her story. But she’s a California-certified sexologist and bodyworker, and her books include The Enchantment of the Opposites, How to Create Great Relationships, and The 2002 Bestseller Expanded Orgasm, Soar to Ecstasy at Your Lover’s Every Touch. And what Patti talks about is the experience of touch and what it means to touch and be touched in the most present and conscious way. So, this is a path to the divine. This is one of the many topics that New Realities has started exploring in its path. And if people who are listening to the show like this, I am also available for other suggestions for any other upcoming guests that people might think fits into these topics of consciousness and the expanse of consciousness, you can email me at newrealities@earthlink.net. So, I’m just waiting for Patti, ’cause we have a bunch of questions and we’ll be going till about 10:30 New York time. Well, actually, it’s an hour show, so 7:30 California time, or wherever else you’re listening to in the world. Okay. And now, here is my guest, Patti Taylor. Patti, are you there? Hello. Hello.
Patti Taylor
Alan? Hi, are you there?
Alan Steinfeld
Patty?
Patti Taylor
Yeah, hi Alan.
Alan Steinfeld
Hi, good. I’m glad you got through. I was giving you a big build-up as we, um, had disconnected.
Patti Taylor
Kind of got longer and longer, right?
Alan Steinfeld
Right, and so I had to go through your whole resume and…
Patti Taylor
Okay. Well, I’m glad we finally connected.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah. So, I gave a little rundown briefly about what you’re talking about, Kashmiri Shaivism and some of your background about expanded orgasm, but, um, and that you are a certified sexologist. But I think it’s important for people to know that you started from a very conservative background. Can you just give us this whole story leading up to the sort of discovery? Not the whole story, but how you discovered the potential of orgasm really who you were back then, partly how it came about that you realized who you really were.
Patti Taylor
Well, that’s true. I started out in life as a blue blood as it were. My name is Patricia Huntington Taylor, and basically I have an MBA in finance and I was a money manager on Wall Street.
Alan Steinfeld
So you were a straight laced, you know, you were living in New York, you were making lots of money, you had no idea about spirituality or anything like that.
Patti Taylor
That’s correct.
Alan Steinfeld
And then you told me a little bit, we don’t have to go through the whole story, but you met someone and suddenly something popped open inside you, huh?
Patti Taylor
Uh, I had a, uh, Kundalini awakening. Uh, I met a man, uh, in the mountains, you would say, who gave me a very profound initiation, tantric initiation. I had no idea what it was at the time. A year and a half later, I had a kundalini awakening. I had no idea what that was either. And I went into the light.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, can you describe what that is actually? What that meant that you had a kundalini awakening? What did that feel like in your body?
Patti Taylor
Um, that felt like, uh, first of all, it lasted six weeks of the most neurologically bizarre fireworks of everything you can imagine going off inside of me. Um, like what? Snakes biting, electrocution. Um…
Alan Steinfeld
Inside your body? You felt this electrical current and things?
Patti Taylor
Uh, everything. My body would be like there was dry ice on it. I’d be freezing cold, every kind of strange symptom, just imaginable. Um, I would wake up in the middle of the night and be on fire, like physically on fire. But it would be in my spine, and I would feel like I was being electrocuted. Um…
Alan Steinfeld
Huh. What exactly do you think was happening? I mean, what is the physiology behind a kundalini awakening? What’s going on there?
Patti Taylor
Well, um, I think what’s happening is that they say that the kundalini rests at the base of everybody’s spine in the form of a curled up snake, and it’s the potential we all have inside every one of us, it’s our it’s our creative potential. And when it gets awakened, it makes a journey up through our, uh, system, our chakra system. This is what they say. And usually it has to, once it’s awakened, go through a series of, uh, blocks. And, uh, it can be very painful going through those blocks as it meets with resistance.
Alan Steinfeld
And so yours sort of blew through your blocks, I guess, right?
Patti Taylor
Because I had such a very intense awakening through my initiation, it kind of dynamited the journey of the kundalini awakening up through my system. So it was like getting, you know, an atom bomb going through me. So it was very, very painful and intense. It culminated in a near-death experience for me. And the kundalini awakening culminated in a near-death experience?
Alan Steinfeld
I’m sorry, what? Are you saying that your Kundalini awakening culminated in a near-death experience for you?
Patti Taylor
What it did, my true, my former person, the money manager, actually left my body. Never to return? Never to return, uh, when the kundalini came out through my crown. It actually left my body, and I went into the light. I went into a very orgasmic light.
Alan Steinfeld
Wow. And you were feeling bliss? Or…
Patti Taylor
Um, and with the most amazing bliss imaginable. Just unspeakable bliss, and I never thought I was coming back. Um, and, uh, I did come back, but when I came back, I was a di- a different person came back.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, you’re saying you’re a different… this is… I want you… ’cause you told me this before, I really want to understand what you mean. What the soul essence… your soul was different, or the aspects of your personality were different?
Patti Taylor
Uh, well, you know, it took me quite a while to sort this out myself. And it’s not like someone handed me a road map when I came back, Alan. Um, but as far as I can tell, once I came back into my body, I had a very different personality. Um, and I had a very different understanding about life, my priorities were different, um, very characteristic of people who have had near-death experiences and have gone into the light. And they’ve talked a lot about it. And I was very typical, my priority, my focus was very much on love, on being in the present moment, um, and, um, I had an an intense interest in living each moment very fully, as if it were my last moment. Um, had been profoundly altered.
Alan Steinfeld
You still have that? I mean, what do you think happened? I mean, I’ve had a near, I’ve had a life review. I’ve seen how tragic my life was, so to speak, before I died. And it really changed me to go through that experience. And that same focus has stayed with you, right? Would you say that?
Patti Taylor
Um, it was, it was a profound, you know, just as much as it was a near death experience. It was also, on the flip side of it, it was an awakening. And just as much as I’ve had an awakening. I mean, I think that’s something we can talk about, you know, like the true reality. I think a lot of people have had awakenings. So, but this was a very deep, profound awakening. And quite honestly, uh, it’s the most profound thing that’s ever happened to me because I was truly uh reborn again, and I came back as a different person.
Alan Steinfeld
But you’re still that different person now, right?
Patti Taylor
Completely. Totally.
Alan Steinfeld
I mean, you never went back to the old thing. It was a permanent shift of consciousness.
Patti Taylor
Uh, there’s no way I could go back. In fact, I’ve even I’ve tried to go back because there are there are ways in which sometimes I’ve tried to understand um, aspects of my other life that sometimes run me, I’ve even tried hypnosis to go back. And, um, and I can’t go back. Um, it the it’s like a a hard drive, data failure. You know, there’s nothing there. Um, there there are patterns and cellular memories and behaviors. Obviously, you know, I can tell you what my house looked like that I grew up in, I have that kind of memory, but I have no emotional ties to that life. I mean, it’s a true walk-in situation. A lot of soul exchange.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, it sounds more than a walk-in, it sounds like, like you’ve gotten like your soul sort of entered your being and you’re functioning from a soul level of consciousness rather than a manufactured personality level. I mean, I would just say it sounds like you’ve awakened to your true self.
Patti Taylor
Well, um, that could be it too. Whatever. I mean, who knows? I mean, but you’re a different person and you’re living in the present moment more. It could the only thing I- there’s a few things that are really strange about what happened, okay, that I’m just going to bring up. One of them is that when I came back, I had some powers that I hadn’t didn’t have before. For example, and some of them were very unique and were very heightened right after the, uh, awakening happened, uh, in particular, I had a kind of X-ray vision, uh, that was extremely pronounced. I still have it to some extent now, where I could read auras and that kind of stuff, and see, uh, like X-ray vision into people. But there was another way in which I was able to completely understand and connect into the, the, um, Kashmiri Shaivist, um, uh, verse and text and completely tap into this uh, mode of understanding at a level that was so deep and so profound, and there’s no way I could have possibly understood that, um, given my background. And that, how did you even run into Kashmiri Shaivism? But how did you even know what it was or, you know, where did you start to pick up this particular tradition? I mean, you know. Right, exactly. Well, I would say, uh, for a few years after it happened, uh, you know, I just thought I had a virus, okay? But I did get involved in tantra. I was a different person. And about three years into the experience, somebody said, ‘You know, you really ought to have an extended orgasm. I really think you would like that.’ And I had my first expanded orgasm. And…
Alan Steinfeld
But wait, but before you get into how it was coming back as this new person, tap you into sexuality in the first place, where did the sexuality… ’cause you before that you were pretty, you know, normal sexual, sort of sexual, but you weren’t this the type of sexual being you are now.
Patti Taylor
Right, right. I was, well, the thing that happened when I came back, is that, um, I, I, I was like sort of love incarnate. And, so I had no programming about sex. I loved everybody, I loved people, and I was, I was like 32 years old, and I was a very attractive woman, and I, you know, and I found Tantra. I was in California, and, uh, that was very easy for me to, to wind up in Tantra, which I just gravitated to. It’s like, oh, so it wasn’t hard for me to wind up in a Tantra circle, and…
Alan Steinfeld
Ah, getting an offer for an expanded orgasm.
Patti Taylor
Getting an offer for an expanded orgasm.
Alan Steinfeld
I see, because we are basically sexual beings, so when you have this pure awakening, that’s part of our essential nature, I hear you saying.
Patti Taylor
Yes, it just flowed freely as a series of yeses. And it was like, ‘Oh God, I love this, I love that.’ So, absolutely, I just sort of followed my passion and, and it was like, wow, this is a lot more fun than I used to have, so.
Alan Steinfeld
This is all great. Right. So then you had your first expanded orgasm, which meant what? Can you describe what that means?
Patti Taylor
Well, it was called an extended orgasm back then. Extended orgasm, um, I would call it an expanded orgasm. You can’t stretch time without expanding it into space, so I’ll just, you, stick with expanded orgasm. Expanded orgasm, uh, is something where you start to touch somebody’s genitals and rather than bringing them, uh, over into a climax that lasts for, you know, three seconds and then they kind of, you know, you’re done. It feels really good and, uh, you spread it out, so it keeps feeling really, really good. And, uh, in this case, the, the person who was doing it to me kind of played me like a violin. So he kept stretching it out and stretching it out and I just kept spreading it through my arms and my legs and my feet and my head, and pretty soon I was just like breathing fire out my feet, my hands, the top of my head, and there was so much feeling going through my entire body that I literally went back into the kind of orgasmic light that I had had in my awakening. I mean, it was so intense and so amazing. My whole being was connected up, and I, I went into bliss. And, so it was a, it wasn’t exactly the first time, and the more you take it, the…
Alan Steinfeld
Huh. That is great. That is a great way of describing it. So, that set you, that sort of it sounds like it changed your DNA in a sense. It’s…
Patti Taylor
I was astonished. I could not believe that this was free and legal and that in my own body I contained the ability to generate the same kind of bliss that I had had in my awakening. Now, granted, it wasn’t of the same magnitude, but it was the same nectar, the same divine nectar, and when you’ve tasted that nectar once, you never forget that nectar. It’s the most interesting, amazing thing. And to think that you could go back there and have it again, it was in that moment coming out of that expanded orgasm, I said, I’m going to make this my life’s work to learn how to do this and do it to other people.
Alan Steinfeld
And do it for other people.
Patti Taylor
You know.
Alan Steinfeld
Huh. But wasn’t it because you had that awakening initially that you were able to get so high from it? I mean, if you hadn’t had that before, it might. There was a doorway open for you, it sounded like.
Patti Taylor
Well, there was a doorway open for me. So what happened was this, that what I, I think that when I began to further study, what I found is that a lot of people were going into ecstasy when they were having expanded orgasms too. So whether they were going into, you know, to have my experience, I can’t tell you, right? Uh, that they were going, you know, to my level. But what I, what I can tell you is that, uh, the way that I wound up teaching expanded orgasm is as a path to transcendence, okay? So I don’t know if other people were doing it just to have a good time, ’cause you can do this just to have a good time. But I began teaching expanded orgasm, among other things, as a path to transcendence. And I do believe that people can have an awakening out of touch. They can use these techniques, open to an awakening, and build on that awakening.
Alan Steinfeld
So let me understand that as a pa- so you’re saying in a sense the bodily pleasure takes you beyond the body itself? Is that what you’re saying?
Patti Taylor
So, but I’m saying there is the, the feeling of this sensation goes beyond the body. Yes, actually what happens is that, you can connect to other realms of who you are non-physically, as well. Right, I did a study, a research study of 44 people, uh, in 2000 for my dissertation. I studied 44 people, 22 men and 22 women, and uh, what I found is that they were having all kinds of transcendental uh, experiences. They were merging with the divine, they were having all kinds of extremely extraordinary experiences. So this was not, this is not unique to me. I think people are going into very extraordinary states of consciousness uh, through, uh, various types of expanded orgasm.
Alan Steinfeld
So this is really the foundation of Tantra in a sense. It’s to have the transcendent experience through the stimulation of the, of the senses or the sexual uh, senses.
Patti Taylor
Well, I talk about Kashmiri Shaivist Tantra. And I would say that, uh, the Kashmiri Shaivists taught, uh, many, many practices. There’s 112 in, um, the Vijnana Bhairava alone. There are many, many more, and you can get to enlightenment through awareness, you can get there through touch, as you said before. Vibration is a very important component, um, um, so that’s another one. And, uh, but there is an extremely, deeply important part of it to Kashmiri Shaivists, to work with this deep creative potential. And yes, uh, they like to work with things at many levels, and on one level, the uh sexual seed is a very deep level of our creative potential. So when you can work with vibration, uh, which is very orgasmic, and of course the body is divine in our, uh, tradition, and you can work with spreading the the sexual seed and raising the kundalini, which you do with the vibration, and and circulating your creative potential throughout your body, I mean, these are highly transcendental practices, uh, that right taking into very high states of consciousness.
Alan Steinfeld
Practices to go back thousands of years within this particular tradition from Kashmir. I mean, isn’t that true? These oral texts that have been passed down generation to generation.
Patti Taylor
Um…
Alan Steinfeld
I’m just saying, it’s an ancient tradition that has been passed down basically orally or through the act of initiation. It has.
Patti Taylor
Yes, there are some incredible doctrines, uh, out there that talk about these things. And, uh, they are said to be secret texts. And what I one thing I find quite amazing is one of the reasons they’re secret is, uh, if you don’t, uh, they’re they’re written, you know, plain English, but if you have to be open to receiving them. So I’m gonna guess right now that for the listeners on this show, if you’re open to the vibration, if you yourself have had awakening in your life, if you’ve had those times where you’ve just, you know, merged with the divine, where you’ve gotten with certainty, where you’ve known beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is something that is larger than yourself, that you are just way so much bigger than your, you know, ego and that you are just this amazingly divine being. Then, and that you are awake, then you can reconnect that, uh, through these practices. And you can continually reawaken yourself, and these practices tell you how, through the verse, and that’s what’s so beautiful, because when you listen to people’s words, uh, they tell you what you should do and what you shouldn’t do, and that gets, you know, very confusing, because there’s so many people out there, but you listen to these secret texts, and if you’re awake, you can just feel the energy of these texts, and they don’t mislead you because there’s a transmission coming right out of the text, and they go right back to these ancient saints, and that’s what’s so powerful about them. They carry the transmission.
Alan Steinfeld
Where can we find the texts? So we can be open to the transmission, where are they?
Patti Taylor
The translations right out.
Alan Steinfeld
The texts, you said. The, yeah, whatever they’re called.
Patti Taylor
The transmission. Well, they’re right here in front of me. Um, I got I got a bunch of them. Um, they’re absolutely beautiful and amazing. And I think they’re as relevant today as the day that they were written a lot of them, all of them. What’s the name of that book that you mentioned?
Alan Steinfeld
Wonderment and um…
Patti Taylor
Okay, well that was the, uh, that’s called, uh, the Vijnana. The, um, The Vijnana Bhairava. And that’s The Yoga of Delight, Wonder, and Astonishment. And that gives an 112, well, that’s what the translation is called. And they give you 112 sort of practices. But I’d just like to give you one example. There’s several really major, uh, Kashmiri Shaiva texts. That’s one of them. And get this. This, this is like, I think, is the most amazing, uh, tradition. They say that, uh, to get enlightenment is not something that happens when we die, but you have to, to really have liberation, it needs to happen in this lifetime, in in our bodies. And it happens in a sudden shift in our attention, in those moments of delight, wonder, and astonishment. And they give us a 112 ways to to practice, uh, in the Yoga of Delight, Wonder, and Astonishment. And this was written in the seventh century, uh, AD, and so that’s just, uh, the Yoga of Delight, Wonder, and Astonishment. There are a number of…
Alan Steinfeld
Wait. Do they all involve the activation of some kind of sexual energy?
Patti Taylor
Oh, I’m sorry. What?
Alan Steinfeld
Do they all involve some form of sexual energy, all these practices?
Patti Taylor
No, uh, in this particular, in the, in the Vijnana Bhairava, I would say there’s about five of them, uh, that are, uh, one of them will say that at the moment of orgasm, uh, that’s one of them. And then, of course, you can just remember the moment of orgasm. But you know, it’s that moment often with Kashmiri, um, Shaiva texts, it’s that pause. It’s that moment where you go, you know, when you go, oh wow. And you’re just there before you have a thought, where you’re just, where you’re free of everything, where you’re just so, you you’re in that amazement, and you just your whole body is just electrified. And it that’s the enlightenment. Um, but there’s other ones too. For example, uh, I’ll just read you one. Okay. This is number 83. O Goddess, owing to the swinging of the body of a person seated on a moving vehicle, or owing to a self-caused swinging of his body slowly, slowly, his mental state becomes calm. So even just, you know, you’re sitting there somewhere swinging and the swinging will hypnotize you, and your mind will just go somewhere. And so sometimes these are very simple practices, but you can do them. So, uh, not all of them are sexual at all. Well, no, but I would like to say, because you are an expert in the area of sexuality.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, let’s stick with the sexual ones and that’s fine with me.
Patti Taylor
No, but I I wanna ask you about this whole idea of transcendence and enlightenment and expanded awareness is that so many people say that sex is um, or the sexual energy brings us down, and it’s a distraction from the higher levels of consciousness, but you’re saying I think no, it’s it’s the fuel for those higher levels of consciousness. Is that right? Uh, okay, well here’s, here’s what I would say. Um, first of all, in what I would say is that in Kashmiri Shaivism, uh, we do not like to, I mean, yes, that’s true what you said. And, um, I would say there’s sort of a bias against call-, I mean, you can call it sexual energy, but there’s a really strong tendency to like to look at things beyond their separation. So, uh, I would just look at it as the energy and it’s like, you want to, uh, just use your energy, uh, and take it from being, just, just yeah, you use your whole being and use the energy in your body while being sexual, but uh, yes, absolutely. Uh, if you’re, if you are having an experience that includes all of your body, okay? You have more, uh, nerve endings in your genitals than anywhere else in your body. So let’s say you’re having an expanded orgasm.
Alan Steinfeld
Right.
Patti Taylor
Okay. I’ll just say I am. I am in full a very full body, uh, full being engagement of everything in my body. I am stimulating my hormones. I am in a vibrational state. I am stimulating all of my secretions. I am vibrating on many, many different levels. My I cannot separate anymore. Uh, my ego has dissolved, okay? You cannot be like a body or a mind or a heart or even a spirit anymore. You are just oneness. You go into a place of total oneness and you absolutely transcend and your whole being is so fully engaged, so vibratory. You just you become vibration itself. Your mind just becomes super conscious. Uh, and you just you just become completely awake.
Alan Steinfeld
But doesn’t standing there practicing and then ex- sharing a polarity of energies, the male being the yang, the woman being the yin, that seems to me and you can tell me what you think, that that increases the power uh of that experience, because it’s it’s not just self-generating, but it’s acting on the power of that polarity. Does that is that been your experience? You mean just you you’re saying when you’re doing something, giving something back, it creates a an even more intense frequency.
Patti Taylor
To do it with a partner.
Alan Steinfeld
Yes.
Patti Taylor
Uh, well I absolutely love working with a partner for many, many reasons. Uh, for one thing it just doubles the amount of resonance that you can have. Uh the opportunities for resonance, you can do all of this stuff, as you know, I already told you that you can rock for example, and that’s one way. And if you think about it, that’s one way for enlightenment. We didn’t go into the sweet rocking very much, but when you’re actually making love as an intercourse, that kind of rocking can can you know blow your mind. Well, why is that? That’s the same rocking. There’s a certain kind of rocking that two people can do together that will send you into nirvana. And I’m certain that that passage right there that I read is that same rocking. And we actually are going to be teaching that kind of rocking this weekend at some point. I call it sweet rocking because when you get it, it blows your mind. Well, two people can do that with each other. Uh, I’ve never sweet rocked myself. So there are things that you can do with a partner that, uh, are just amazing in terms of surrendering control, you can set up resonance and reverberation. Uh, so, uh, the Shiva Shakti dynamic, um, are are fabulous. So, absolutely.
Alan Steinfeld
How do you, let me, how do you prevent the, um, degradation into pure pleasure? Not that there’s anything wrong with pure pleasure, but, you know, like, almost like a drug experience. How do you keep the awareness of it being in a way transcendent as opposed to, you know, this idea of it sex or or that pleasure just being a drug. You know what I’m asking?
Patti Taylor
That’s a great question.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, tell us that difference.
Patti Taylor
That’s a great question, and you know, in it is true that in our, our lineage they would say that if you did succumb to just using uh, chasing after the pure pleasure, you’re really never going to capture the benefits of of transcendence. You want to uh really go for the transcendence, uh, and not get lured, as it were, into the chasing of the, the carnal, you know, lower level delights.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. Because that feels so good. People want more and more and more of it because it’s it is ego-gratification.
Patti Taylor
I’m sorry, what did you say?
Alan Steinfeld
I say it’s an ego-gratification, oh, this feels so good, good, good, I want more and more and more of it, because it’s, it is a drug. It’s your own body’s chemistry, but it’s your drug. So how do you what do they say then about transcending that?
Patti Taylor
Well, I guess I can just talk from my own experience on that. Um, first of all, when you integrate, uh, which again, I’m going to be showing on in my class, I’ll probably do a little in my talk on Friday night, which is, you know, talk in a party and all that stuff. Uh, cause we do like to have fun. And on Saturday and on Sunday. But when you do integrate, you go into a transcendent state and, uh, you know, pleasure becomes part of it. But once you’re in a transcendent state, I think there’s so much more than pleasure that’s actually even better than pleasure. If you think about it, what do people want more? Bliss or ecstasy? They’d go for bliss. And I think that’s what this is about. So I think for myself there’s nothing quite as interesting for me as to go into, uh, these states of consciousness, which I must go into four or five, six times a week, I don’t know anymore. And have the most transcendent, illuminating, mind blowing, trust, stress relieving, uh, just knock your socks off, see the divine, merge, whatever. Come back, you know, just so renewed and and and it’s like, why would you want to just go for pleasure? It seems like it would be a lesser thing. And, um, maybe my issue is I have a big picture, but you’re already there. You’ve already had the initiation into the transcendence. I mean, how do you work with people who would like that, but also get involved in their own ego gratification. I mean, how do you get people who want that away from ego gratification?
Patti Taylor
You know what? The people I work with, uh, I don’t know what to say. I think the people I work with come, they learn this and they tend to follow, right after me, you know, they they’re having the best time of their lives, and I don’t think they’re looking for ego gratification. I think they’re just having a great time, and they’re, you know, they’re using it. It’s like, it’s like anyone who’s following a yoga practice, you can use it for, you can use it for enlightenment, but it will tone your body at the same time. So you could use this to, for transcendence, but if you ever wanted to have great sex, you could use it to have great sex. Or have a quickie. I mean, it will give you some phenomenal skills. So if you want it, you’ll get them. I just think that.
Alan Steinfeld
So the true path of the Tantric Kashmiri Shaivists um, evolution, what is the ultimate goal within that tradition? What is there?
Patti Taylor
Okay. The ultimate goal is freedom in this lifetime, without a question. No this is just to be free.
Alan Steinfeld
What does that mean freedom?
Patti Taylor
Freedom. Okay, what it means is when you come into this life, you are bound up by your ego, by all the illusions of, uh, maya, which is, uh, you know, it looks like, uh, there’s all these, uh, space and time and sights and sounds and you you think that, uh, all these things are real. And that, uh, the, the challenge for the Kashmiri Shaivist is to really go and to, to experience union with the divine. Uh, and the way you do that, I find and is to end the sense of separation. Okay? And there are so many ways that we separate ourselves. We separate ourselves by believing that we ended our body. We separate ourselves by having our mind tell us that our mind is in control and that our sex is separate from our spirituality. We separate ourselves by telling us to, you know, in millions of ways. And so as a Kashmiri Shaivist, by polarity, by judgment. I mean, and so we we train ourselves to end the the illusions of separation and to constantly integrate ourselves into wholeness. And that is freedom when we realize that we are divine, that God lives, or the Divine, or however you want to call it, we are that divine being. We are no different from Shiva and Shakti. And when we, we are that vibration, we learn to be, we, we manifest that vibration. That’s why you get those rituals of Shiva and Shakti. You you reenact the divine union of Shiva and Shakti. You reenact the seeding of the creative potential. You learn to shake off the boundaries. That’s what the vibration does. Every time you vibrate, you cannot vibrate and keep your separations of mind and body. You when you truly are in a vibratory state, you can only have one consciousness. You have, you you you let go of those separations.
Alan Steinfeld
It sounds like the perfect path to enlightenment, really. It sounds like the perfect path. It gives you everything, it leaves nothing to be denied in existence, you can have it all.
Patti Taylor
Well, I think it’s a great path, you know, because…
Alan Steinfeld
It’s a perfect path because it’s not about denying life, but it’s about embracing all of life, from the body right on up.
Patti Taylor
I think it’s a perfect path because it’s life-affirming, it gets rid of the polarity, it gets rid of the judgment. Uh, it gets rid of the intermediary, you know, you don’t listen the guru. Uh, it does say to work with a guru, to work with a teacher, you can work with the transmissions from from these, uh, great teachings, hopefully people, you know, can come to my talk or whatever, and the teachings themselves are phenomenal transmissions. Uh, and it’s great, because, you know, uh, but uh, they, uh, it’s a phenomenal path, and a lot of people will try and not have you follow it because they have their own designs on you. They will want to separate you. They will want to say your genitals are bad, or your past was bad, or you have to heal something. And every time you believe that, they’re separating you from your wholeness and the way of the Kashmiri Shaivist is to embrace everything and, you know, check right on roll and embrace it all. Body of light. Include.
Alan Steinfeld
Including your body, including every sensation that you’ve ever had, it’s fine because it’s your sensation of of your awareness of your life. So just we’re almost out of time, Patti, but just give, could you just give a name of the books for people to do some their own research on your website?
Patti Taylor
You mean other books?
Alan Steinfeld
Like you just we’re almost out of time. So just give us your website.
Patti Taylor
Absolutely. Uh, www.expanded… well, it’s expanded-orgasm or expandedlovemakingoneword.com.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I mean there’s so much information that we can cover. I mean if we had another hour it would be good to do that, but um, we’ll do another show okay at some point.
Patti Taylor
Let’s do another show and I’d just like to invite everyone to just take a moment and just shake it loose. And just feel themselves as one person and ask themselves, you know, how can I let go of it? How can I be anything other than one person when I’m just shaking all over and just feel the oneness. And how good it feels to be one body, heart, body, mind and spirit. And how good it feels to just be one whole being. You know, next time anytime you want just get into that vibration of the Shakti.
Alan Steinfeld
Thank you, that feels good. What when is your radio show on?
Patti Taylor
Uh, yes, I have well, I have a podcast on uh, Personal Life Media, the Expanded Lovemaking Show, it’s all on my website. Expandedlovemaking.com and do do come if you can um to my New York show, uh, my, uh, my workshop, my parties.
Alan Steinfeld
That will be Friday night, June 22nd…
Patti Taylor
Friday night my talk, June 22nd in New York.
Alan Steinfeld
Look up sexyspirits.com.
Patti Taylor
Sexyspirits.com will have all the information and my one day vibrational touch for rapturous sensational play shop day will be June 23rd, and my more advanced class will be June 24th.
Alan Steinfeld
I look forward to seeing you in New York, Patti, and also doing some more interviews with you for the television show.
Patti Taylor
Oh, me too, Alan, you’re such a delight, such good questions. I invite everyone. Please maybe we can leave if anyone wants to write me about the books. Is there any information where they can write me, I’d be happy to, or maybe we can just, I’ll send you a list of some of these books, and people who want to right, to get a hold of the verses, uh, themselves, they can read those read them up because they’re really.
Alan Steinfeld
What’s your email, Patti? Patti, what’s your email? Your email? Give ’em your email.
Patti Taylor
Sure, it’s uh pattilove@gmail.com, P-A-T-T-I-L-U-V.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay. Thanks Patti. I’ll call you later. Thanks for being a guest.
Patti Taylor
Thank you Alan. Shake a little roll, and I’ll see you soon.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay, this is Alan Steinfeld on New Realities. I was just talking to Dr. Patti Taylor. And like I said, she will be in New York June 22nd to the 24th. You can look up www.sexyspirits.com and um, she’ll be giving a whole weekend of classes. I’ll be on every Sunday at the same time and also you can look at my television show on MNN.org every Monday night at 9 p.m. If people have comments about this program or other programs that I will be doing about consciousness, I’m open to suggestions and ideas and feedbacks and blogs and all that um information that can contribute to a more enlightened programming. So please email me at newrealities@earthlink.net. And I look forward to hearing from you. And I’ll be doing also programs about UFOs, about healing, about more programs on tantra and sensuality and a whole range of topics that are not normally explored within the consciousness realm. So I do welcome questions. I’m going to end with this song by Duke Williams and the Extremes called The Night Before The Future. And it’s a really fun song taking you into new consciousness, new realities. This is Alan Steinfeld.