New Realities recorded on September 9, 2023
Summary
Alan Steinfeld interviews Marilyn Gavitt, who discusses her transition from psychology to channeling an entity named Zazar. Zazar then speaks through Marilyn, explaining that his purpose is to reflect humanity’s inherent magnificence back to them. The conversation explores the difference between the ego and the soul essence, the process of overcoming limiting programs, and humanity’s collective shift towards the fifth dimension. Zazar emphasizes the importance of co-creating with source, embracing joy, and radiating light to help awaken others.
Transcript
Alan
Welcome back to New Realities. I’m Alan Steinfeld, and this program is about the expansion of consciousness and who are we really, and the evolution of humanity that we are at at this time and space, and the process of awakening. So I’m here in the beautiful Red Rock Crystal City of Sedona, happened to run into my old friend Marilyn Gavicky, and she is channeling the being called Zazar. And part of the excitement of this program that I like is to bring people on who channel because you never know what’s going to come out of their mouth. Is that true?
Marilyn Gavicky
Absolutely.
Alan
So this is Marilyn before she becomes Zazar. Do you want to give a little background or…
Marilyn Gavicky
Well, yeah, I have been a psychologist all my life. So let me preface it with that. Seven years ago, Zazar came. I realize now that I had been downloading information from him for my first book, The Oneness of Being, Birthing the New Human. And then he came in full body to me, and I started channeling him seven years ago, and it’s been quite a ride. And I decided to leave the field of psychology.
Alan
A brave thing to do. Yeah, because I was going to ask what his psychology think of the whole channeling phenomenon, because it doesn’t fit their paradigm.
Marilyn Gavicky
Well, they don’t think much. No, they don’t. That’s the problem. So, yeah, going from that to being a channeler, but Zazar had so much important things to say, there was no question in my mind, Alan. I had to become this channeler. And I had to go through a period of having enough integrity to realize this wasn’t me.
Alan
How do you know it’s not you? Because a lot of people channel a lot of things, and we’ve been around. So how do you know? I’m not saying even if it’s you, it’s still great.
Marilyn Gavicky
Well, of course it is. But I would love to claim some of the wisdom that comes through. But it is so from the cosmos, there is no way that it can be me. And I went through probably six months to a year with Zazar, and he said, you’re going to be in your own training program learning how to do this work and have enough integrity also to open the channel wide enough for this information to come through. You will hear it.
Alan
I just want to say to you, you do have enough wisdom to bring through the infinite source.
Marilyn Gavicky
Aren’t you sweet? I am. Well, the truth is about that, I resonate that wisdom, which is why he can come through me.
Alan
Right. So there might be an emerging where you and Zazar meld. Maybe it is your future self or your higher self, or is it a separate being?
Marilyn Gavicky
Well, right now, he is definitely a separate being. I know when I was young, I actually met Zazar on a craft. So I know he is separate. We’ve had other lives together. But sometimes I get teased. My name is Marilyn, his name is Zazar. They call me Mazar when that merged.
Alan
That’s funny. That’s good. So there will be in your evolution a point where you will actually be the all-wise knowing intelligence that we all are.
Marilyn Gavicky
Exactly. That’s where we’re all headed. What Zazar is here to do, Alan, is to help us realize, be a reflector to the truth of how magnificent all of us are. It’s not about him, it’s about his ability and through his vibration that he helps people realize higher lives they’ve had, they can bring them in now, those essences from higher incarnations. He reflects to us and helps us break out of those debris programs.
Alan
But just sitting here with you and your team here, I see the magnificence. It’s in the field. I see your magnificence. I see Diane and Jen’s magnificence. It’s there.
Marilyn Gavicky
Well, I see yours.
Alan
Well, we were talking, you were saying how great, and that’s great. But it’s for me to see it too. I think that’s the problem. I can see your magnificence and see how intent you want to deliver this message, but that’s the big question. How do we see our own? Because you could say nice things, I could say nice things to you, but does it matter?
Marilyn Gavicky
He says to me often, you would think my job coming to earth reflecting the most magnificent part of people would be actually the most wonderful job of the world. But with humans, humans have so many blocks. And I can tell in a session, because I sit right beside him when he’s coming through to people, how people have these blocks and they’re like, yes, that’s very nice, this information, but they can’t take it in.
Alan
So that’s the key. Forget Zazar, how do we take in our magnificence? How do we take it in?
Marilyn Gavicky
Well, when he comes out, that’s a good question.
Alan
I am going to ask him that question. But it’s also not maybe for him to tell us. We have to find our own way through our own stuff that blocks.
Marilyn Gavicky
But here’s the thing. I can sit here and tell you how I find my magnificence and it might shine some light on you that you go, oh yes, that’s helpful. Now magnify that by the light of the cosmos, and that’s Zazar.
Alan
Magnify your magnificence.
Marilyn Gavicky
Yes, and his magnificence is so amazing.
Alan
But that’s him, and that’s great for him. I get that. But I think the magnificence comes through at the moments where we least expect it. Like we were kidding around before the interview, and it’s just spontaneous. It’s not something we have to do. Well, let me ask him that too. That’s a great question. Because that magnificence is the key to the evolution. I can really see that about other people. I see it in these people right here.
Marilyn Gavicky
But see, when you say it to them, then the programs come up.
Alan
Not me, I’m that way myself. It’s like, no, thank you, no.
Marilyn Gavicky
But let me tell you this, there is an energy he brings in that sort of disarms those programs. And I’ve watched this, Alan. I’ve seen people all of a sudden begin to get their own magnificence. And we do, we have so much debris, we have to quicken that process of dissolving.
Alan
I’m getting it just sitting in and having the fun and the joy we just had. Maybe I can do that just because it’s fun and it is a kind of presence, but then you go back to your private space and it’s like, where’s that magnificence? Because it feels very egotistical to say, look how magnificent I am.
Marilyn Gavicky
It is running, I know. And here’s the thing. People have these blocks to say that is all me. And Zazar says if we don’t get that is all me, that is truly my magnificence is all me, and I have to then begin to open the doors to these gifts.
Alan
I feel very uncomfortable. I mean, in a way that I know it’s just a block. To acknowledge it is the thing that feels like it’s an ego because it’s a program. A part of me feels like it’s an old program from family. It’s deep programs. So when I reflect on my magnificence, that program starts to emerge. I don’t deserve it.
Marilyn Gavicky
And guess what that program does? Keeps it down. I know. So how do we override the program? Let’s ask. That’s a good way to start.
Alan
Well, this is even going to be… alright, let’s bring him through right now. No, it’s fun really to play and have fun. That’s magnificence. To be spontaneous like that comes from that deep magnificence. Okay, so what are we doing here Marilyn? I’m curious because channeling is like a science of incarnation. So how do you actually bring him into your body?
Marilyn Gavicky
So now I just have to get in a state that it’s like a frequency signature. It’s like a radio station. Now I know how to go there right away. An energy state comes from my consciousness, it opens the portal and he’s here. So let’s do it.
Zazar
So, dear Alan, you are quite something, you know why? Right away you are going to rebuff me because I can tell. Listen, because your magnificence is coming out of all these different portals of you. And then those portals have material that say, no, no, no. And you have those programs. And what is so beautiful about your question is because it is the question that lies in every single human. For you to be willing to bring up, how do we become magnificent? Let me just, can I back up?
Alan
Sure, back up all the way.
Zazar
So here is the thing. So much is happening on Earth. Why does the human have to be in their magnificence? Because there is so much light coming in from the galactic center and the extraterrestrials and the celestials, there is so much light right now coming into you. However, when you open up your magnificence, not from the ego, but from the very soul of who you are, you open up little portal doors to receive from others when they say to you, I love you, Alan, you are so magnificent, you are so beautiful. When you open those doors of your soul magnificent, it receives that resonance and knows immediately the truth of what they are saying or not. It recognizes that. When you take that in, it grows inside and your magnificence forms an actual matrix of your soul light. And then you begin to recognize more and more the truth of who you are, and the seed you came in with this light begins to open up and sprout. That’s why I say to humans, your magnificence is so important to feel because it is an actual energetic field of frequency.
Alan
I believe that. I get the sense. But when you say it’s entering the soul and the portal, I only sense my egoic mind. I only sense the ego. The soul, how do you sense that soul part? That’s the question really.
Zazar
Okay. When you are having fun, are you doing that with your mind?
Alan
No, of course not. I guess it is coming from a deeper essence.
Zazar
Okay, let’s call it a deeper essence. So you’re telling me when you walked in today and you had such fun with everybody and you are such light, who are you fooling? You’re not fooling me. I see your light pouring out of you. And then your mind going, wait a minute, wait a minute. Old programs. If it is your mind that is analyzing this essence, there is nothing in your mind, believe me, that can hold the truth of your magnificence. So it’s going to filter it through ego constructs.
Alan
It’s filtering that through the mind. The part knows ego. And so when you say, oh, you’re so magnificent, it’s like… oh, so you’re saying when you say I’m so magnificent, you’re saying this to my soul essence, not to my ego. Is that what you’re saying?
Zazar
Exactly. I don’t want to speak to your ego at all. Your ego wants to fight with me. I don’t want that.
Alan
I don’t want to fight. But I’m trying to make the inner distinction. So you say to me, oh, you’re magnificent. I say, well, no I’m not, because that’s the ego saying it. You’re saying it to the soul, the essence. So I think the problem or the issue is the ego is too present in a lot of people as the personality self. Well, maybe the ego is magnificent, I don’t know. But the other part is what you’re really talking to.
Zazar
Listen, Alan, you’re exactly brilliant in saying this. Here’s the problem with the human race. It has been in the brain field, and in the brain field it analyzes and it takes in and absorbs all the diminishment programs. And either the ego is great or the ego is, oh, I’m so bad. And that is what you’re talking about. So if I am talking to your ego, it cannot really hear the kind of frequencies I am bringing to you. But your essence can.
Alan
Okay, but how do I get that other part that is so present for everyone? I know I’m not my name or my history or all the things, but yet there’s that duality. So how do we…
Zazar
The duality, let’s talk about that. Alright, on earth right now in the 3D, everyone is living in dualities. Pick your choice, which side you’re on at any one time. When you move into the fifth dimension, dualities simply collapse and you are in unity. The same thing happens within you. You become a unified field of your soul essence, Alan. It is the soul essence that has been separated out from the ego, and the ego is personality, history, family, and programs.
Alan
So I can live, and everyone else of course, can live from their soul essence, and that’s their magnificence. So to do that is just to play and be ourselves, right?
Zazar
It is to be in situations where you know that signature of essence, and you know who, you know where, you know what begins to stimulate that place in you. You know things in your mission, you know you love to go out and find out information, you love to share this information. You are such a cosmic networker really on earth. You have this amazing deep ability, and that I would say comes from your essence, not your ego.
Alan
No, it does. When you’re talking about it all, I feel like, yes of course. You’re getting beyond the egoic sense, you’re talking to the part that hears it from the soul essence.
Zazar
So wonder if your ego didn’t receive it. Wonder if sitting with me right now, instead of putting it through your ego, you could just feel it in your essence.
Alan
I did. My ego didn’t receive it. I don’t even know what that means anymore actually.
Zazar
There you go, see it’s already dissolving.
Alan
It is dissolving, but then I go back to, oh yeah, who am I, what’s my name, where am I going? Something is still there. I haven’t totally dissolved into it. Does it always stay or is there a moment… let’s talk about your experience. What happened to you?
Zazar
What do you mean? You mean Zazar?
Alan
I mean Zazar himself. Whatever it is that you are.
Zazar
Well, I am 600 dimensional, so I merged consciousness with all my incarnations. But I stepped down into a 5th dimensional being who is Arcturian and Pleiadian and Elven, which is why I can kid with you, it’s a beautiful thing. Because we can choose our genome.
Alan
But Zazar is an ego expression of that. I mean that’s what I’m trying to understand. When you call yourself something, you identify as something, and then you say Arcturian or that…
Zazar
When you go out to smell a rose. When you actually smell it, the essence of it, do you need to call it something?
Alan
Well, you don’t need to. Maybe you don’t need to.
Zazar
When you actually are having that union with that aroma, you don’t have to call it, it’s just a being. And when you are having the experience of You don’t have to call it anything.
Alan
No, you don’t have to call it anything.
Zazar
Exactly. So when I am having an experience with your essence, which I am doing, I am not going to call it anything, not even Alan.
Alan
Okay, you can if you wish to. No, I don’t wish to because that’s just a label. I don’t even answer to my own name.
Zazar
But when the humans are, this is funny about humans, when they are having the most ecstatic experiences, what they are doing is having frequency experiences. And sometimes they can’t even label what they are. Right. That is coming from your soul sensory modality essences that you are able to see beyond, hear beyond, smell beyond, know beyond, bilocate, teleport, all these things that are gifts in humans, but they lie in the essence of your soul. So if you can’t see that magnificence, that’s like the light that lights up all your ability to do when you’re in Alan, the middle of those kind of abilities, there are no labels.
Alan
Yeah. So you’re in a place where you realize that oneness and in order to experience this world, you just put a little tag on it and say Zazar. But ultimately that doesn’t really mean anything, right?
Zazar
Well, it only means something because it means something to you and it’s a way to communicate. So if you wanted to say to somebody I just smelled something, you might want to say it was a rose so they could direct themselves towards it. That’s why you all have labels for yourself, it’s a direction. But then you start to identify with the labels. Exactly. Even as human and what you’re supposed to be, what you’re not supposed to be. As a human, you’re not supposed to have contact with extraterrestrials. You’re not supposed to see angels. You’re not supposed to have all these experiences. But what is it in you that has those experiences, Alan? It is this far-reaching essence. I call it the soul, you call it anything you want, but it is the essence of the light that brought you…
Alan
So not to get too personal, but are you speaking to me from your soul essence or is it… Absolutely. So is there a sense of self, I mean self in a good way, ego, but not in a negative ego, but is there a sense of individuation which may be egoic in an okay sense?
Zazar
Only in the moment you ask that question. So think of it this way. No, is the answer overall. But as you want to commune with me, the me of Zazar, then it comes down to that individual who is in that picture and you can look and see it. Humans need to distinguish those kind of things. But in my higher self, I am in a state of unification.
Alan
So tell me about that. So in this state where you’re living as your essence, what’s the feeling? What do you experience like? So Marilyn is just, she’s a great person, she’s at this lower level whatever, and evolving, nothing personal Marilyn. But Zazar, this being, what’s that experience like? That’s what I want you to tell us.
Zazar
Okay. Let me tell you this. That experience is, there is nothing that defines me that keeps me from you. There are no barriers that keeps me from totally feeling the truth of your essence nor seeing it. I see it. And at the same time, I maintain my consciousness in order to see it.
Alan
Oh, okay. That’s the tricky part, maybe. You maintain your individuated consciousness in order to see the totality.
Zazar
Exactly. But my individual consciousness also lives in totality. So you can pop out of that totality to be the communicator, to be the one who perceives things. And in you, I perceive all kinds of beautiful light and beautiful desire. You have such a beautiful desire for connection.
Alan
Yeah. You really do. Yes. That’s my Aquarian, if you want to give it a label and Sun. Yes. And when you are in that connective moment with Gen a little bit ago, you’re in just a frequency state. Yes. Yes. That’s what I’m talking about. So, physically, are you physical, I mean?
Zazar
The fifth dimensional, there is a picture of what I look like in the physical. But I come down to that so Marilyn can channel. But I want to know what you’re feeling in the embodiment, because it’s the body that is the separation sometimes. Of course, the mind is the union. But yeah, I’m going to show people what that picture actually looks like. This is you, this is your fifth dimensional beingness. That’s a very… what is that movie that just came out? Avatar like of you. Yes. This was done a few years back. And it was done by an artist who came to see me. She came into the inter-dimensional realm, we sat together, and she was able to paint this. Okay. It’s exactly what Marilyn, by the way, saw. Okay. So, you have this body. And what does it feel like when you’re experiencing magnificence? What’s the physicality of, on that fifth dimension? What is the sensation? I don’t know why I’m asking that, I just want to… But you know why you’re asking.
Alan
Why? Tell me.
Zazar
Because you are reaching towards it. Humans do not ask anything that they are not reaching towards. You are reaching towards this unification field yourself. You want to know, does it really exist? What is this really about? How are you experiencing it?
Alan
And what does it feel like? That’s the thing.
Zazar
Okay, here’s what it feels like. It’s lighter. There is more space in it. It is able to move easier. It is totally, you might say, the entire body is soul-infused. In humans, there are parts of the body that are no longer soul-infused. There are parts of the brain that are certainly not soul-infused, because humans became separate from their cosmic home and so they became separate from this soul essence. This is what you’re working on. But for me, it is my soul essence, Alan, is what I feel in entirety.
Alan
What does that feel like as a sensation? Because you have sensation. So is it ecstasy, is it joy? What’s that soul essence feel like?
Zazar
So if you can imagine one of the best times in your life, where you felt ecstatic, connected, safe… Just a few minutes ago, really. So that begins for you to know what it feels like. Just a few minutes ago. We have great fun. We have great laughter. We have great bliss, but there is no fear, there is not a word for trust, there is no separation. So I can merge with you while still keeping my separate self.
Alan
But are you saying… I’m just saying that can exist every moment. I mean, I know you’re saying that. I’m just trying to get it. That that is possible to live in a state of ecstasy.
Zazar
Every moment. And this is the ascension process. Why you ask these questions is because there is a part in you already leading to want to find that way to live in that ecstasy and connection. Alan, you have it. It’s beautiful. That’s why you want to… come on Zazar, you tell me what you… you’re keeping secrets, what is this like you know? And you want me to… But I am telling you what is important. Your pathway, your pathway, those moments when you have had that sitting beside me right now, let’s have more fun. Let’s see the stars, but you have that…
Alan
I want to ask you a question. Anything you want. I want to know how come you haven’t lost that lightness of being? How come I haven’t lost it? That’s good. Oh, that’s good.
Zazar
You haven’t lost it.
Alan
I think I had a lot of love when I was younger, you know, from family. Of course there was a lot of emotional drama as well, but the love helped me remember myself, maybe as a young child. I was the eldest, and you know, and I was sort of… sounds ego, but I was sort of the center of attention there of a family that, and so I got a lot of attention. And so I felt like I got that. I like having attention, but I can also don’t need it like maybe some people who didn’t get that might need it. So I don’t know if that answers your question.
Zazar
So Alan, yes. You are someone who has a hunger to interview…
Alan
I wouldn’t say it’s a hunger. I’m just clarifying. I would say spreading the joy and possibility. So it’s not about… yes, interviewing people who can bring that out. But it’s like what is knowledge? What is the soul essence? How many different forms can we communicate it to these people?
Zazar
But you know what I am trying to say is you have such a beautiful reaching out to encapsulate exactly the questions you are asking me. You are trying to reach out. I want you to realize that part of you that wants to reach out is because of a part of you that is evolving. That you are… every time you reach out and share information, that is a part of you that is wanting to… you you… I would say, okay, maybe not a hunger to interview, but boy, I feel your desire for this evolvement in yourself. And that is what I’m trying to say is your essence.
Alan
But can I just clarify because it’s not so much an evolving of myself, it’s more like… I want to know. I want to experience. I’m asking reaching out for my particular evolution to share with whatever’s out there. But it’s curiosity and it’s fun and it’s learning and it’s a connection. So maybe that’s what you’re saying.
Zazar
So why are you denying it? No, no, no, listen to me. Okay. Why is it hard for you to realize how beautifully evolving your questing is?
Alan
Thank you.
Zazar
Oh, he finally heard me. No, listen, you have a quest that I wish I could bottle to give to other humans. A quest for understanding the evolvement on Earth. Do you realize how important that is, Alan? And you have this specialized skill.
Alan
Thank you. I mean, it’s fun.
Zazar
But can you take that in for a minute? Yes. I want you to pause because it’s not just I’m telling you because it’s fun to tell you. I know, I know. Thank you. You have this questing and in this questing for all of this knowledge, you bring this to the human race and you bring that thirst to their own questing.
Alan
Yeah, I mean, I’m not doing that. Yes, thank you, I get it. I’m taking it in for a moment. And I’m doing it for me, and if other people can share in that, great. And if they can’t, well, maybe at some point. But thank you, I’m just taking it without deflecting a little bit.
Zazar
Oh, oh he is good. He knows when he deflecting. No, but I’m just trying to say… yes… it’s… it’s… there’s no… I just really enjoy connecting with all levels of consciousness. And where you enjoy, it shows you what a gift that is. That enjoyment of being able to do this work is shining a light on the truth of the gift. And you are manifesting that gift, Alan. Think about it. If everybody on Earth manifested that perfectly… their particular gift, the Earth would be heaven. Yeah. Well, that’s my… You are rising up. Yeah, that’s my vision. Thank you. Thank you. And even your… you keep… you keep wanting to know more… that energy of wanting to know more… will save the earth.
Alan
Yeah. I mean… oh… No… don’t say ‘yeah’. No, I just, you know, I have to be honest. It’s not so much wanting to know more, it’s not even about knowing, it’s about the fun of exploration and knowing comes as a result of that. Does that make sense?
Zazar
And the reason you want to explore?
Alan
It’s fun to make known the unknown. It’s fun. We’re having, I mean, right?
Zazar
And the reason you want to make known the unknown known?
Alan
Cause it expands consciousness. I mean, yours still…
Zazar
And the reason you want to expand consciousness?
Alan
That’s yeah, that’s good. Why… It goes back to fun… What is the reason I want to… because there’s more to me and possibilities everyone to see the infinite, to see the source? Yeah, is that good?
Zazar
Oh, that’s good. That’s good Alan. No, let me tell you. Tell me. You’re funny, because you have this… and you want to reword it this is this that… but really what I see, that it is, is your soul essence finding its way out for expansion of consciousness to be one of the new humans.
Alan
Yes, I’m receiving that. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I do feel that. I do feel, yes, I do feel like that’s what’s happened.
Zazar
But it is interesting to me that someone as light filled as you… Then maybe it’s time to move on to the next stage, which would be to know that your light-filledness has a magnificent effect on the world.
Alan
Ah. That part I don’t get. That part’s a little bit… that’s a little bit of… it’s like… okay… I could… Okay. And… okay, what about it? I mean, yes, and so let’s pass.
Zazar
Your light-filled self… really just trying to go deeper with this because it’s so big. Is having a magnificent effect on the world. It’s the truth.
Alan
But my immediate response is, isn’t everybody… why do you have to include everybody? I know, I know. It’s just that ego’s thing like… just… why do you have to…
Zazar
Because it’s your deflection. You including you.
Alan
Yes. Okay. Okay, say it again, because I’m not hearing it yet.
Zazar
So listen to me. Now, you have an absolute magnificent effect, your light on the world. You want to deflect it and say, everyone, everyone, because that’s you not able to really say that’s me.
Alan
Okay. I’m going to take… Thank you. Okay.
Zazar
From your essence, Alan.
Alan
That’s my intention is to fill the light… Yes, that is. Thank you. Yes. That is. But think about it…
Zazar
Can you feel the light in people, which you do already, without being that light yourself? You know…
Alan
And that’s what you are a little shy to claim that light is yourself. Yes, but I… oh, listen to the ‘but’. Yeah, no, I know, so if I… I don’t think about it, I just am it. But if I have to think about it, then I get shy.
Zazar
So here’s what I say. Can you feel it… without thinking about it…
Alan
Well, your reflection… and it all seems sort of set up for today, doesn’t it? Well we all set it up. But yes, I can. I don’t see the reflection of the… I see it out there but to say that it’s emanating, it’s it’s…
Zazar
It’s emanating.
Alan
Okay, I’ll accept it, but it’s… Yeah, okay, great. Thanks.
Zazar
So… no, no, no, right now…
Alan
No, no… Thanks for being… no, thanks. Yeah, okay, tell me.
Zazar
So, the only reason I am here is because I can see your soul essence. Alan, and there are humans who can see this too. It’s not just me. It’s not about me. It’s about my ability to see the truth, and to say, and to sit with you, sit with you, sit with you and reflect back, reflect back. And then say to you, what if you started to feel…
Alan
Right here. Your highest light that is human. Yeah. Thank you. I’m trying to break through something that’s in the way.
Zazar
Yes, you are.
Alan
Why is something still in the way?
Zazar
Because it’s in the way of all humans. Right now, what is happening as you break through, you will be breaking through for so many. So let it keep breaking through. Your light is so deep. But you just allow yourself to feel that feeling. It’s so big. Let’s dance in that inside. Something has kept you from that, which is why you’re such an amazing searcher for it. I love your searching for it. I love your pursuing it, information all this. But part of it is to let it I’m slowly pushing through that resistance. That resistance is all human programs.
Alan
I see it around me. I see it in Jen right there in the magnificence that I am. That beauty, that joy, that feeling here. Your willingness, but not to deflect.
Zazar
So go back in so that what you saw in Jen and I am, you resonate with that or you could not see it. Exactly. So go in that place inside that resonates with that. Go in that place inside that resonates with that. That is yours.
Alan
That is yours. The reflection. Okay.
Zazar
But stay within you. You want to hop out of you like a bunny rabbit too much. You stay inside to feel your light.
Alan
I think it is so bright in there you don’t know what to do with it.
Zazar
Oh, I don’t think maybe.
Alan
It is bright, but you’re seeing. Okay, I’ll accept that. Okay.
Zazar
You have this essence that is trying to find its way out very much.
Alan
It is. It is.
Zazar
Somebody told you to keep it inside.
Alan
Yes.
Zazar
Somebody said keep this inside to yourself. If you bring it out, it’s going to be egotistical.
Alan
Yes.
Zazar
That is wrong. That is why the human race is in such trouble. That is why there is so much darkness. That is why there is greed and all of this stuff. Because people are afraid to bring this truth out. And once you bring it out, it can be nothing but service. It’s such a beautiful love, light, joy, and peace and bliss.
Alan
You ask how does it feel to live? That’s how it feels to live.
Zazar
So that’s what it’s like for you?
Alan
Absolutely. Because you’re bringing out your essence. Absolutely. I bring it right to you.
Zazar
I’m getting it. I’m getting it. But stay with you. One more minute.
Alan
What if it was true, what I’m saying about your beautiful light essence, which of course it is. What if it was absolutely true and what if this block could be dissolved and wonder then if Alan wandered the world with this light coming to everybody?
Alan
I am in a way. Yes.
Zazar
Yes you are, even with this block. Every human has blocks and keep working, keep working.
Alan
Right, right.
Zazar
But as you work and break through this block, you will break through for a thousand others.
Alan
Smile.
Zazar
So here’s what I see. Your smile is so potent. But this soul essence out there, this light that you suppress some, tries to come through and it comes through anyway. When the block is removed, your smile will light up the world without light bulbs.
Alan
Thank you. I accept that.
Zazar
That is the thing.
Alan
It’s not bad. No, it is a good thing.
Zazar
But you know, Alan, this process we are talking about together is what every human is going through of trying to break through these diminishment programs, this separation from cosmic source and cosmic home and all of this. And once you break, really the separation is occurring inside.
Alan
Yes, I feel that.
Zazar
Right. It is the ego that tries to separate it out. It’s okay, the ego is just trying to help you survive. But now it’s time for the ego to lay down.
Alan
I mean, sometimes I talk to people who don’t even like themselves. At least I like myself, you know, but there’s some people who it’s so dense.
Zazar
Don’t like themselves. They suffer from that.
Alan
They do. And how do you help them? I guess just shine the light and seeing their magnificence, is that it?
Zazar
But here’s how you help them. If you knew, Alan, that breaking through this yourself and bringing yourself to a new level, if you knew how potent a healing liquor that would come out of you. I can’t see it because it’s in the invisible realm, and some can see it, and your life comes out and that light wraps around that person who does not like themselves. And when their free will is ready, they will absorb your light and use it as fuel to begin to like themselves.
Alan
That’s how it’s hard for humans to know they can help others through the invisible realm, but that is where your light, you can’t see yet your soul essence light. That’s why you wonder what is it, what is it. And because humans are so caught in the material world.
Zazar
But the reason I want them to like themselves is to see their soul essence.
Alan
Oh, so you and I like the same thing.
Zazar
I thought we had the same job.
Alan
We have the same job. But that’s why I want them, because I know I could see the light, you know, I see the light even though.
Zazar
But what is so amazing is you see the light because you could not see it if it did not resonate.
Alan
That’s the part I’m trying to get, yeah.
Zazar
And you could see it even more. And the thing is about you, you want to see the light because you’re actually wanting to grow your own light too, and that is not ego. That is the soul knowing that as the soul grows the light that you will be more in the world.
Alan
Okay, let me just check that one in for a second. Okay, so say that again. I want to know.
Zazar
So you want to see others’ light because every time you do it sparks something in your deeper soul essence. And then you grow it bigger and there is a higher self that knows.
Alan
Because you know why? Because they’re me. They’re reflecting me. If the beautiful Jen is not seeing her light, then I want that bigger reflection of who you are.
Zazar
Exactly. So imagine in the 5th dimension where I live sometimes, we are all reflecting each other’s light. There is no way I would ever want to come and harm you. Why? Because your light, yes, it’s me. And your light, maybe uniquely configurated in Alan, but there is an essence to it that reflects to me, becomes fuel for me. And so we form a figure eight.
Alan
But it’s not about you or me. When I want to see the light or maybe it is, but it’s all me, it’s all you. So that’s why you want to help me. Come on, admit it, because you get more of your light.
Zazar
I want to help you simply because it is a grand thing. When you see somebody’s light turn on, you cannot believe. One person going across that barrier, you letting go and coming out even more with your soul light. You know we can’t see that in the cosmos.
Alan
But it does something for you too, right? What does it do for you?
Zazar
It expands my light. It expands. Do you realize Earth is at a tipping point? Listen to me, that when Earth tips into that light place of the 5th dimension, that it will tip your galaxy, your whole galaxy into a new tipping point, which would tip the whole universe into a new tipping point. This is how light expands light.
Alan
So of course I want that. I want to live in that.
Zazar
But you do already though.
Alan
Yes, but it’s never ever, it’s always expanding, moving, moving until all of us go back to source itself. And then that is to create another explosion of light where the universe continues to expand, where source breath turns into sound, turns into the frequencies creating the material world and Alan. And then waiting for Alan in his free will to say, ‘I am all that,’ and it is so beautiful.
Zazar
Is that the place you’re at where you see that you are all that?
Alan
You are all that, yes. You see that. Absolutely. So when you see something that somebody who doesn’t know that they’re all that, there’s a little dent in the bubble maybe.
Zazar
There’s a little dent in the bubble, which is why when you say to me, ‘How do I help someone or how do we help someone who doesn’t like themselves,’ you see that dent. And so of course you want to help that. The best way you can help that is to make sure there’s no dent in me.
Alan
In you. Ah, there’s still a little bit maybe there.
Zazar
But well, all humans have a little bit. You’ll be continually working on it. But soon you won’t have it. Or do you? Come on.
Zazar
In the way that I am working towards this 6th dimensional, 7th dimensional, that’s a whole another thing.
Alan
But what’s the little dent? I mean what? You might not understand it in the way.
Zazar
But you know here is the thing. It is a distracting thing to ask me what is in the way in ways you can’t understand.
Alan
It’s not that I want to, if you tell me something I don’t understand, you plant a seed, a possibility that at some point will come into an understanding. Does that fail?
Zazar
Here’s the thing. There is always parts of a being that when they begin to emerge into oneness, they go through being able to shed past incarnations, perhaps that were of a lower kind, past parallel lives. So we are all on that journey. I am too. We are all on that journey of continuing to be so much of the light. But because we’re not source, there are parts of us that of course need to be reconfigured, realigned with the light. It looks different than it does on Earth. But what it looks like on Earth is really the biggest epitome of dark versus light, and you know this.
Alan
But maybe it’s an acceleration for you as well to help the people on Earth.
Zazar
Absolutely. Absolutely. We are in figure eight. Today your light shines brighter, so does mine. That’s the beauty of the 5th dimension on it’s like, what happens to you happens to me. We are in a figure eight, so of course. But it is not my ego that wants it. It is my soul essence of wanting us to be in source dance.
Alan
Source dance. It’s a yearning of a soul.
Zazar
Exactly. And what happens when we all unify into that dance, is that just all coming back to oneness and what’s it been about anyway, returning to source?
Zazar
It’s about co-creating with source to expand source light. That is the most simple way I can put it. It is about co-creating together, you and I, and in our co-creation together, in our dance together, we increase each other’s light. And in increasing each other’s light, we become more able to be soul creators to create worlds where there is more light.
Alan
Right, right. So well, thoughts in because I’m having a good time. Not because I’m having a good time, but the ETs that are visiting us now.
Zazar
Yes.
Alan
They’re here also in the way that you are to reflect the light, but they’re also working on their own process.
Zazar
Absolutely, everyone is working on. Let me make that clear. Every being is working on their own process. But as you move up, your own process includes everyone else. Where on earth your own process doesn’t necessarily, well you know that humans on earth, their process, they don’t give two hoots about anybody else. But as you move up, your process is about expanding the light between, among, surrounding, and in oneness.
Alan
But so what’s the purpose of the ETs coming or whoever that is coming here at this time?
Zazar
The purpose is that earth is teetering on that tipping point of human consciousness raising up to a vibrational level where they can begin to accept and again reunite with their cosmic home. That was a severe separation that happened thousands of years ago. Earth became a floating place. Humans felt they were floating in darkness and they were separated from the ETs, from celestials, from their soul. So now coming back to your soul essence is so important because it brings that union, Alan. It brings that union to know that you are not alone in the universe. And the extraterrestrials just like now, if you get sick or you need something, you have a flat tire, your neighbors might come to help. The extraterrestrials are your neighbors and some of them are here simply to help. Yes, to cure disease, to bring new energy to open the corridors to the miracle mantle that lies in the 5th dimension that will heal you instantaneously. And their light, that’s their way of giving their light too.
Zazar
Absolutely. That is, when you get to a certain level, all you want to do is be of service with your own light. Because then, and feel that beautiful unity dance and that light comes back and it goes, and there is a point at which right now today I can’t distinguish my light from yours because we are in that merging place.
Alan
Yes. And then the rocks, these beautiful red rocks actually become an extension of me.
Zazar
Exactly. And they always have been, you know?
Alan
They have and they carry an energy that provides those corridors to be set.
Zazar
And the other thing I think about incarnation and experiences where here to bring new possibilities into creation. This is my bottom line philosophy. As creators, we’re here to create, to emulate creation and bring more joy through our creative activities.
Alan
Absolutely. Exactly.
Zazar
So more joy through your music, more joy through your art, more joy through your fun play. More joy through your beautiful expansiveness.
Alan
But it also then expands creation itself.
Zazar
It expands creation. That’s a habit.
Alan
Well I always had that part. No it’s to expand creation as creators.
Zazar
Exactly. So let me tell you this. Humans have been self-responders. Everything is about the self and trying to survive and figuring out that ego self. You are moving into being soul creators where you create the reality yourself. And in that sense, every time you create some new reality, you are co-creators with Source.
Alan
That’s why I call my program New Realities.
Zazar
Exactly. And you bring new realities in every time.
Alan
Yeah, well that’s my obsession, my goal, and to use my own experience as a reflection for other people listening.
Zazar
Well you do this so beautifully. Now here’s what I say to you. As you are doing this, know that you are creating these new realities inside yourself. I’m going to come back to who you are inside yourself. Not to forget that as you’re expanding them and you do that beautifully, you are also expanding your own soul essence light so that it can produce, co-produce, co-create even more new realities.
Alan
And when you say that, I feel like that place of return home. And so I get that from the vibrational field, whatever you’re coming from it’s emanating that. So the reality has to emanate from within.
Zazar
The reality that you bring that is beyond just your human personality in history is that reality that holds the fuel for those new creations you are talking about. And when you sit in your magnificent field without ego, when you sit and feel the actual fuel that it holds, then you are more powerful co-creators with this lighted ascencion process. That’s what I am talking about.
Alan
I’m getting it. I got it. I’m feeling. And you know, you are so look at you. Look at you. Who else is like this?
Zazar
There are many humans quite like you.
Alan
Well, I don’t usually crawl up on my guest’s lap to do the interview.
Zazar
Somebody crawling up on the lap, but I have to say it feels delightful.
Alan
Yes.
Zazar
You know why? Because you are infusing me with your delight and your fun and your beauty. And there are many humans quite like you. We can keep this going for a long time.
Alan
But one thing I want to say, and we can keep this going for a long time, but so if we’re out there calling in these ETs and we’re emanating our magnificence and our joy, they respond to that.
Zazar
That builds a field for contact.
Alan
Let’s do that.
Zazar
One last word on that. When you go into the field to make contact, what you are doing is you are weaving new lines from that separation that happened back to your cosmic home. The extraterrestrials love that. They are waiting for this new corridor that got split off from the human race, they are waiting to weave with you this home that the earth lives in a cosmic home with such diversity, right? So when you create your magnificent field first of all it is safer for them because to come into the human field that is all crooked, it’s not so good.
Alan
Wait, let me get that part. So when we emanate our magnificence and our joy out at a CE-5 close encounter and we’re calling to these beings, we’re actually creating a pathway.
Zazar
Yes, you might even say you are creating a matrix field of consciousness to not only call them but to join with them. audience in that state of their own magnificence and soul essence and emanate that we create a corridor, a pathway for them to respond as essence.
Zazar
And that magnificence can be used for fuel to be in a higher consciousness state. And that higher consciousness state makes it safe for you to begin to see who these beings are. Because if you are not in that high consciousness, soul-connected state, when you see a praying mantis or an ant being, you might go screaming away.
Alan
But when we’re in the state, it doesn’t matter what we see because that’s the emanation of soul.
Zazar
Just like when you see those humans that are less, you might say more dense. When you’re in that state, it doesn’t matter. You understand it, and you can still join with it and bring light. And that’s what it’s like. It’s no different than what you’re trying to work out on Earth, but you have to work more of that out before many extraterrestrials dare come to the Earth.
Alan
No, we’re doing it collectively, me and you and these beautiful people here can do that, but there might be other people that might not. We just have to keep reflecting the light. Is that it?
Zazar
You have to keep being the light for it to be reflected, giving the light in service in whatever those gifts are for you, giving it to each other, coming together in a field of high consciousness and joy, and blissfulness, and fun, and playfulness. And that creates an actual energetic landing field, a conscious landing field for the ETs to come, and you will see their crafts, sometimes you will see them land, and sometimes you may even be able to meet them. And this is what is happening now on Earth. This is where the next phase will go, where humans can realize that they too belong in a cosmic home and can raise their level of light.
Alan
So we’re going to do that. We’re going to emanate, if you need help when you’re out there, I’m here to help. And we’re going to emanate our light, joy, soul essence out to the… and you know, they have to show up because we’re sending a light out.
Zazar
Because guess what? What you’re sending out is exactly what they are made of, the same light. And now you join and you create these ribbons that create this place that you can be together either in consciousness or actually in physicality.
Alan
We’re going to do that. Okay. Thank you, Zazar. I know you’re probably busy, have lots of appointments and luncheons and things to do.
Zazar
Marilyn does. I go along.
Alan
You go along, but in your dimension, you must have something… paperwork. You must have something to do in that dimension.
Zazar
Teaching that’s not quite like this, but we don’t have paperwork. I don’t think another human has ever joked with me so much. And I just love it because that is so beautiful about a human being. And I thank you for that.
Alan
But you know why I’m able to do that?
Zazar
Why?
Alan
Because in reality, we’re the same.
Zazar
That’s right.
Alan
I feel your reflection is lighting this reflection.
Zazar
It’s so beautiful to meet you. I love you, Alan.
Alan
Aw, thank you. Now I’m getting suspicious. No, thank you for saying that.
Zazar
So we have a saying in light language that means so much love to you and it’s Miala. And I want to say to you, Miala.
Alan
Which means again?
Zazar
So much love to you.
Alan
Thank you. Thank you. Okay, Miala to you too.
Zazar
There it goes, see! I was waiting for it to come out.
Alan
No, I just can’t relate to the word. I’d just rather say so much love to you.
Zazar
Good! You are a very sovereign being and I so enjoy that.
Alan
So, should we talk to Marilyn again?
Zazar
Let’s talk to Marilyn.
Alan
Are you OK? It was a good session with you. Pass it on to your fellow Zazarians. What’s the name of those people from the place you’re in?
Marilyn
They just… not a name you would recognize. Let’s just say that.
Alan
What… how would you say it?
Zazar
You want me to say it?
Alan
Yeah I do.
Zazar
Shaku Malala.
Alan
Okay. I don’t know why I have some attachment to it.
Zazar
It is just light language, it doesn’t matter. But it carries a beautiful frequency.
Alan
No, I get it. I like it. That’s why I just wanted to hear it, so in case I needed a little refresher to tap back in, I’ll just…
Zazar
So you remember Zazar and you remember Miala. Miala carries a huge love frequency. And if you say it, Miala… say it with me, Miala.
Alan
Miala.
Zazar
Say it one more time.
Alan
Miala. I think I have too much attachment to the word. I’d rather say I see the love in you or I love…
Zazar
That’s your sovereignty and I love it.
Alan
But it’s OK if it works for you, I’ll say it for you.
Zazar
No, no. You don’t say it for me.
Alan
But I know what you’re trying to say, but I’m working on it, OK?
Zazar
I know you are.
Alan
All right. Thank you. So has Marilyn been around?
Zazar
Let me hold on a minute. Let me just pop out.
Alan
Where are you going though?
Zazar
I’m going so she can come in.
Alan
But where are you going?
Zazar
Let’s just say it’s a little bit of a place right above here. I’m going to hang out there.
Alan
OK. Say hello to your people.
Zazar
I’ll say hello to my people. And one last word to you. Your frequency is so adept at merging. Your brain sometimes wants to stop it.
Alan
No.
Zazar
But your biggest gift is how you are able to… just listen now… merge with others and it is that essence that is able to give the world so much light. I just want you to remember that.
Alan
Thank you. Well you’re right. There are some people I don’t want to merge with, but most people it’s fun.
Zazar
It is, I know.
Alan
But there’s people that… anyway, there’s a whole other conversation. Okay, thank you for your time. Thank you for joking with me.
Zazar
Yes, I like the merging. The merging, yeah. Okay, I’m going to have Marilyn come back.
Alan
Okay, thanks, I mean the really doesn’t time… So you think, thank you for your time, but for your presence.
Marilyn
There you go. Okay. Wow.
Alan
Were you around? Did you hear that?
Marilyn
Oh, yeah.
Alan
Oh, you did. I couldn’t have jumped in and added some of this.
Marilyn
Well I did. He was an invited guest. But how was that for you?
Alan
Well, I don’t think I’ve ever experienced quite like that. That was absolutely amazing. It was… you know what was such a pleasure for me is to see Zazar absolute playfully merging with you.
Marilyn
Yeah.
Alan
And that doesn’t happen?
Marilyn
Not like that. Okay. It was good for me.
Alan
It was good for me. Oh, yes. So if you want to find out more about Zazar and the work we do, go to theshift.rocks.
Marilyn
R-O-C-K-S.
Alan
We are the shift. Be the shift. Come join us and have some fun with Zazar.
Marilyn
Yeah, have some fun with me, and let’s get into our essence. And come up… we’ll I’m going to host you at some CE5s, and we’re going to set that doorway open.
Alan
Well, this Saturday night. Oh, yeah, well, I don’t know if this will be up, but, but in July actually, I’m hoping to have Zazar and the gang out to, it’s actually 9 Mountains, which is right next to Earthdance, so it’s right up there in plain… I’ll put this on the website so you can visit all of us. But when you’re in that state of Zazar, are you listening, are you…
Marilyn
The first six months to a year, I left entirely, and they would tell me things he said, I had no idea. But when he’s here, it is such strong, powerful energy, there’s no way I can’t feel what he feels, and there’s no way I can’t feel what he feels about you.
Alan
Ah, that was nice.
Marilyn
So you know, even though he was sitting here with you, I feel a bond with you.
Alan
No, it’s not any crazier than anything else. But it’s like I have to say I do feel like… you feel different. You’re nice, very nice. But I felt that bond there, we’re developing…
Marilyn
We’re developing, yeah. But you’re feeling your magnificence.
Alan
Okay, good. But I’m not comparing it. I mean…
Marilyn
Well, because we’re working on it. So are you.
Alan
So am I. I realize he’s a higher dimension, but he’s not better than you. Remember that.
Marilyn
I know, but I think I feel that you can emanate that from Marilyn. I was doing…
Alan
I know. I think you can too because you’re that magnificent.
Marilyn
Of course I am. I know. So what’s in the way of that?
Alan
Not too much right now.
Marilyn
No, I know, because I think I feel like there could be this amazing merging. This is a whole other conversation.
Alan
Thank you, thank you, thank you, Marilyn.
Marilyn
Gavity.
Alan
I know, it’s been like ages since… I mean, it’s like we just went off into some dimension.
Marilyn
Didn’t we? I think we did.
Alan
See, Alan, we weren’t quite in this dimension.
Marilyn
But we were open the portal to these… Bingo. Portal to ascension.
Alan
Thank you Marilyn for your light and allowing the light to come through. I’m curious what people get from that. I mean, I got something from it. I did. I did, and I want to stay in that state. Can tell Zazar to come back and just hang out.
Marilyn
Oh we’re getting time to…
Alan
I’m kidding Marilyn. Marilyn, thank you. Thank you for… you know, I know you do this as a beautiful service to… I’ve never fallen in love on camera there.
Marilyn
I’ll tell you, you are extraordinary. And I see it, he’s magnificent. So when you said to me, what’s in my way? Right now nothing.
Alan
Oh, thank you. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Miala. I see it, I’m working on it. Thank you for watching a new reality for me and everybody else here at the studio. Okay, thanks.