Chief Arvol Looking Horse of the Lakota prediction of the White Buffalo Calf Woman

New Realities recorded on October 2, 2007

Summary

This program is dedicated to exploring the evolving human potential in an evolving world. Our guests are part of our evolution as a planetary race. This week’s guests are Laura Fox, one of the producers of the Raw Spirit Festival. The second guest is Chief Arvol Looking Horse of the Lakota people who will inspire with some of the traditional wisdom as he’s a 19th generation keeper of the White Buffalo Calf Pipe Bundle. He’s also the founder of the Walakota Foundation and he’s going to be talking to us about the Lakota traditions. 

Transcript

Alan Steinfeld

Welcome to new realities with Alan Steinfeld. This program is dedicated to exploring evolving human potentials in an evolving world. I’m Alan Steinfeld and each week I try to bring people to this program who are moving the path of consciousness further along. Or part of our evolution as a planetary race. And tonight I have two very important special guests. My first guest is Laura Fox, who is one of the producers of the Raw Spirit Festival, which is coming up in Sedona, Arizona. One of my favorite places. October 12th to the 14th. And she is also someone who does a whole visionary process called anchor. The dream. And we’ll be talking to Laura about those, those things. Hi, Laura, you there?

Laura Fox

Hi, Alan. Thank you so much for having me on your show.

Alan Steinfeld

Yes, I’m excited about both these different projects you’re involved in. Let’s talk about the raw spirit festival first. And I think part of our conscious evolution is becoming more conscious of the foods we eat and tell us about your background in raw food and, and how that ties into consciousness.

Laura Fox

Oh, absolutely. That’s a fantastic question because, you know, it absolutely does. And even the alchemists and the adepts of the esoteric traditions have been saying for centuries that raw foods or, or the diet and consciousness is directly related when you turn, when you start looking for eminence. And, you know, we’ve all been into transcendence to varying degrees to reach our spiritual potential. But now we’re at a very crucial point on the earth where we’re needing to bring all that spiritual wisdom into our cells and into our body and into our being in a fully present eminent way. And the quickest way to do that is to start shifting the diet to a higher vibrational frequency. And the best way to do that is through raw vegan plant food diet.

Alan Steinfeld

So you’re saying, I like what you said about the alchemist, too, because they were. I mean, I studied alchemy or internal alchemy and, and talked about this shift in vibration because that’s really what we’re all after. On, on what they call the great work. Yes. The great work.

Laura Fox

Yes, the great work. That is.

Alan Steinfeld

It’s actually transforming on all three levels. The body, mind and spirit into the higher essences.

Laura Fox

That’s right. And they talk about. I think it’s Malkuth. Right. Which is the physical realm.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh, yes.

Laura Fox

The lower body has to be the key. It’s the key. It’s the beginning.

Alan Steinfeld

That’s right. And so many spiritual people forget the body.

Laura Fox

That’s right. And so they think they can what is called a spiritual bypass.

Alan Steinfeld

Well, the joke is they’ve incarnated here in order to include the body.

Laura Fox

That’s right.

Alan Steinfeld

Because otherwise we didn’t need to incarnate.

Laura Fox

That’s right. And if the temple, if the body is the temple of the living God or, you know, whatever words you use for spirit, love, God, divine presence, then, you know, we’re meant to clean the temple and allow its full presence to activate. And the foods of our culture have, for centuries and particularly in this century, created obstructions in the physical body. I mean, you could call it heart disease, you could call it liver disease, but it’s, it’s some kind of a congestion caused by the misuse of plant foods.

Alan Steinfeld

That’s a really good point. And the fact now that you we’re becoming more conscious of everything we’re putting in our body and putting into the earth because the earth then becomes the body is a symbol of the earth.

Laura Fox

That’s right.

Alan Steinfeld

So we, we are in a position now. I actually heard Andrew Cohen, do you know his work?

Laura Fox

Andrew. Yes, I believe.

Alan Steinfeld

He’s sort of an enlightened American teacher. But he said we in the West are in a very privileged position because we have been educated enough and we have access to world culture that it’s really up to us to lead the way forward into these new times. I agree. And so it really comes down to us being as responsible as we can for the planet.

Laura Fox

Absolutely. And I like to call raw veganism the sustainable feast. Oh, because not only are we evolving our spiritual potential by removing obstructions and creating a greater input of energy into every cell and into the organs and into the entire chakra system by eating raw foods, but we’re also using less packaging. We’re also, you know, using less resources. Because it takes a lot less than animal foods.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh, I know. Whenever I don’t even go into supermarkets anymore. But if, if I go to like a local grocery, they put their food in a box and a bag and another bag.

Laura Fox

Inside a box.

Alan Steinfeld

It’s just so insane.

Laura Fox

It is insane.

Alan Steinfeld

Some of the people who are going to be at the raw spirit festival.

Laura Fox

Oh, yeah. Like, for example, Adam of Superfoods Next, he’s come up with a packaging that’s not only biodegradable, but also compostable.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh, really? You mean it’s like a plastic that’s compostable?

Laura Fox

Yeah. And I think it’s, I’m not sure what it’s made out of. If it’s cornstarch or something else. I’ll have to remind me. But in other words, there’s people like on the leading edge here who are really trying to do their best on all levels. Is if we are going to be shipping and packaging foods around, let’s do it in the most sustainable way and keep pushing the envelope of what that is and what our technology is capable of.

Alan Steinfeld

I know it’s just so insane to buy Fiji water that’s been carted around the world in a plastic bottle. I mean, it’s great water. I have to say, but it’s just insane.

Laura Fox

It is great water. But yeah, it’s like the, you know, the plastic is not helping our bodies either.

Alan Steinfeld

In the water and just think of all the, the boat mileage and pollution and the water and just how ridiculous is to bring water from Fiji. Exactly. To like New York City.

Laura Fox

I mean, let’s keep our water clean here and then we can actually drink it, you know.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah. I mean, we’ve gotten ourselves in such a deep mess that it’s drastic what we have to do now to get ourselves out of it, you know.

Laura Fox

I think that’s why a lot of people are waking up on all levels. And one of them is on the dietary level. And I like to think of it like this. It’s like you’re going to, if people, if somebody goes to raw foods first, eventually they’re going to wake up spiritually and on a conscious, social level. If they go to the spirituality or the social consciousness first, eventually they’re going to get to a higher and higher level of diet because all of those things are a vibrational match to one another.

Alan Steinfeld

That is such a good point that, you know, I sort of had a sense of that. But you really put it into words. I mean, you’re absolutely right. If your diet is clean and healthy and pretty raw, that will wake you up.

Laura Fox

To a spiritual. And you’re right.

Alan Steinfeld

Also, if you are on a spiritual, conscious evolution, you’re not going to eat junk.

Laura Fox

Right. It, it evolves now. A lot, you know, a lot of, like, spiritual masters in India and things like that, they were very attached to or still are too, physically attached to the rice and the dairy and all that stuff, which still creates a little stickiness and obstructions. And I always like to say, well, you know, if Yogananda and all those guys had found out about raw food, they’d probably still be here today if they wanted to.

Alan Steinfeld

Right. Although Michio Kushi, who started macrobiotics, which I was involved in for a while, said, if you don’t have anything to stick to, there’s nothing that gets stuck. No, if there’s no junk in your body, then none of those, like grain type products and, you know, will get stuck.

Laura Fox

And he used to smoke.

Alan Steinfeld

Cigarettes. But, you know, but everyone has their own food philosophy. Right. But the purely obvious.

Laura Fox

Obviously, the purer the diet, the cleaner your system is.

Alan Steinfeld

It’s just. Exactly.

Laura Fox

And you can get away. You have a little more leverage. I mean, if you eat mostly raw foods, then you have leverage to do a little cooked or a little whatever, you know, it depends on everybody’s body is different and needs different things too.

Alan Steinfeld

I know. It’s, it’s, it’s really. I host the nutritional panel at the Expo, the New Life Expo here in New York, and it’s just so funny to see how radical, I mean, just eating rice for somebody is radical. And then you tell people, well, rice creates mucus in the body, and they, they can’t handle that.

Laura Fox

Right. And then going.

Alan Steinfeld

You know, uncooked food, raw food, living food. And then like someone like Jasmine, no food. Right. Which is like.

Laura Fox

In baby steps here, you know.

Alan Steinfeld

Because.

Laura Fox

You know, people do think it’s extreme. But what I’d like to say, you know, if somebody says, why are you, why do you have such extreme diet? Why are you limiting yourself? Well, hey, it doesn’t feel like a limitation because I feel like the luckiest person in the world, eating the most delicious foods because they have the most flavor, you know?

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah. Oh, they do. How is it? I mean, once you’ve eaten anything organic, you can’t go back to something that.

Laura Fox

That’s right.

Alan Steinfeld

They. Exactly.

Laura Fox

Well, and flavor equals minerals. So if you’re eating something organic and you’re tasting a different difference between it and something that’s not organic, a large reason for that part of the reason for that is the mineral content of the plant food.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh, you know, I never realized. Of course.

Laura Fox

Pigment.

Alan Steinfeld

Pigment.

Laura Fox

And flavor, that’s about minerals.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh, that is, I mean, it’s so obvious, but like, people don’t and we need those minerals in our bodies.

Laura Fox

Right. And I mean, if you think about, again, the spiritual current, the currency, the energy, the electricity, the electromagnetic energy of life itself, the life force, and you think of batteries, you know, batteries have a mineral content to them. So what our typical standard American diet does is it actually depletes the body of mineral content, which also lessens the capacity of consciousness to hold current in the form.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah, it’s, it’s so obvious and simple. Why are commercial food businesses still in business? I mean, it’s, it’s just.

Laura Fox

Well, I think people, people are, you know, it’s their comfort zone with food, and the last thing any of us want to do is like, try to tell somebody how they should eat. Because when you start to. It’s like, it sets up a reaction pattern. And so, but the thing is, if people are in their comfort zone and they’re still wanting those foods because they feel like, you look at raw foods and they’re like, they feel like they’re going to be deprived. And you have to, like, really be model that it’s not about deprivation at all. It’s not about eating carrots for the rest of your life. It’s, it’s actually a luscious, sumptuous diet. So if people can see that A, they get to feel better, B, they get to have more energy, C, their libido even increases, this is what they want, you know, their life force energy in general increases. D, they’re helping a planet. Well.

Alan Steinfeld

Etc. Etc., then it doesn’t become a lack anymore. Well, yeah, I. Actually, when I interviewed David Wolfe a few years back, he talked about what it is that people think they’re missing when they go to raw. They missing the crunchy or the oily or the fats, you know. And he developed a really great way to supply this. I’m sure other people that.

Laura Fox

And David Wolfe will be. Oh, yes, absolutely. At the. Yeah. He will be. He’s doing about five and a half hours on the stage and so, David, you know, besides being a great raw food teacher and a scientist, he’s absolutely one of the most entertaining people on the planet. Yeah, because you never know what is going to come out of his mouth next. And it’s always fascinating. So I’d love hearing what he has to say.

Alan Steinfeld

You know, and also one of the originals, Victorus Klevinskas. He is like, you know, the he’s one of the beginners in this whole raw food business.

Laura Fox

Heart and soul of the raw food business.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah. I mean, from Anne Wigmore, I guess he worked with Anne Wigmore, who was really the mother of. Of the raw food movement.

Laura Fox

Yeah. I think Victorus is one of her early apprentices and, and then became partners and, yeah, and just basically he, he is also one of the kindest and most, you know, spiritually oriented people I know as well.

Alan Steinfeld

You. I mean, you’re absolutely right. The two go together. Conscious food, conscious, um, life, and a doorway into a higher level of who we are.

Laura Fox

That’s right. And right across the street from me in Sedona here, where I am on location for the raw spirit festival. There’s a woman named Shiva Aima who is a, um, a, you know, she’s a student of the ancient mystery teachings and she’s got a new book coming. I think it’s called Living Light. And basically she’s been studying like you talk about, the secret teachings of the great work for many, many years. And literally in those teachings, the D. When once you actually decode it, they’re talking about eating live food as an absolute key to raising your consciousness.

Alan Steinfeld

Well, I would love to meet her when I’m out there for sure.

Laura Fox

I’ll make sure you do.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah. And the other thing about life food, if you’ve ever had a garden and pick food fresh from the garden, there’s so much qi and life force in that, that you really don’t need to eat that much of it.

Laura Fox

Exactly right.

Alan Steinfeld

Because it’s so satisfying and so filling.

Laura Fox

Mm hmm.

Alan Steinfeld

That it goes, it feels like it just goes right into the cells as a direct boost.

Laura Fox

That’s right. And so, you know, you have that, and then you have, like, like, say you have an orchard of apples, you know, and you pick an apple and eat it. You’re not going to be temp, you’re not going to overeat apples. But if you go to an apple pie, you might not be satisfied after one or even two pieces of pie. And a lot of people put a guilt trip on themselves about that. But the fact is, the reason they’re not satisfied yet is probably twofold. A, with all this cooked sugar like that, the little any little microtoxins or candida or yeast or mold are feeding on it and calling for more. And B, the minerals and enzymes and vitamins have been depleted out of that, and your body’s not going to say it’s not hungry anymore until it gets what it’s really looking for. And that’s enzymes, energy, vitamins and minerals.

Alan Steinfeld

Right. And that’s why people eat so much and they stuff themselves because to get that full satisfied feeling that they that, that we’re missing because there’s no life in the food.

Laura Fox

That’s right. And then they feel guilty and think they’re a bad person because they’re eating too much. And that’s really not what it’s about. So I want to personally let anyone off the hook’s believing that about themselves, you know? It’s about the fact that your body wants something else. Your body wants minerals. It wants vitamins, it wants enzymes, it wants energy.

Alan Steinfeld

I mean, this kind of food education should be in every school in the country, you know?

Laura Fox

I think so. And when you go, you know, for people who have children and are seeing what’s happening in a lot of schools, they’re feeding them sugar and, you know, it’s cakes and candies and junk food. And, it’s, it’s the norm. And, you know, some people say I have an extreme diet and, but I say, well, you know, actually I’m very, very moderate and conservative because on the one hand, red food die to me is extreme.

Alan Steinfeld

Of course.

Laura Fox

And on another hand, you know, maybe breatharianism. Sure, you could call it. I just eat plants. I mean, that’s kind of normal. It’s like right in the middle, don’t you think?

Alan Steinfeld

Well, it is extreme, but, you know, I mean, for some people, because they’re so conditioned into thinking a certain way, I think when you open up to raw foods and all sorts of levels of higher consciousness, it gets you out of your comfort zone, out of the box.

Laura Fox

Yes.

Alan Steinfeld

And it makes you think differently. I mean, you do think differently. It’s kind of goes together. You need to think differently in order to get out of that box and also one step out will also help accelerate more evolution.

Laura Fox

Right. But they say, yeah, it’s like, at first it might feel a little sluggish getting out of the box, but once you start taking those first steps, the more you get more momentum on the other side and you start being vortexed into this new level of consciousness and energy and vitality. And then, and then you don’t want the other stuff. So part is eventually you don’t want the other stuff. Eventually when you’re given the choice between, hum, shall I eat this piece of cooked pizza or this nice raw lasagna my friend just made, you’re going to be like, um, you know what? I think I really want a lasagna. It raw food because you’re going to feel so much better. And once you have that knowing in your body from your experience, it’s not like you’re pushing stuff away. You’re just gravitating toward gravitating toward what feels better.

Alan Steinfeld

Well, at this festival coming up, there’s going to be some of the best raw food cooks in the world.

Laura Fox

That’s right.

Alan Steinfeld

And I recommend going to the website checking out coming to Sedona.

Laura Fox

Rawspiritfest.com is the website.

Alan Steinfeld

And, the other thing about what we’re saying is that it’s taking place in Sedona, which is already a high vibration.

Laura Fox

That’s right.

Alan Steinfeld

And you know why it’s a high vibration?

Laura Fox

Why?

Alan Steinfeld

Well, the red rocks there have iron in it, and the iron creates a magnetic field that resonates with the iron in our blood. So it’s lifting and purifying our blood in Sedona.

Laura Fox

Well, maybe that’s why my body feels so good here. It does. Do you really like. I’m floating here.

Alan Steinfeld

You are floating. You’re, you’re in a high intensity magnetic field. And do you notice when you leave Sedona, if feels like you when you go past bell Rock, as you’re heading south. When you go into the village. Well, then it’s just like, oh.

Laura Fox

It’s, yeah.

Alan Steinfeld

It’s, it’s very noticeable because those red rocks create a magnetic field.

Laura Fox

Neato. And then there’s also we talk about the vortexes here and just the energies and. So the people who are being drawn to the festival are very high spiritual consciousness and just also just fun. And to me, you know, the highest spiritual consciousness is about being in play and being in fun and being in our joy while we’re creating solutions to our many challenges, to stay as much in a high vibration of of, you know, playful exuberance as possible.

Alan Steinfeld

Well, then let’s talk about that creating solutions to our challenges and, and what anger, anchor. The dream is about. Sure. That I really uh personally and for my community here in New York wanna know more about visionary stewardship uh for planetary transformation. So tell me.

Laura Fox

Absolutely. And I’m really honored to once again be offering an anchor the dream experience at the Raw Spirit Festival. It’s going to be on Sunday afternoon, October 14th at, at the festival.

Alan Steinfeld

Well tell me exactly what it is to anchor the dream.

Laura Fox

Yeah. So anchoring, okay. So basically let me just tell you a little story about how it even came about. Yes. Yes. Um after many, many years of intense prayer and inner work and just speaking with the universe with the Earth and the galaxy and the beings of light, and you know I called upon spirit, whatever you want to call that, and I asked to be informed and to be awakened to that and to feel that what could come through me that could actually help. And, um, so what came through was literally a process of what I now call visionary stewardship because I, I wanted to teach, thought and learn more and study more about manifesting because I like you realize if this is true, that our thoughts and our feelings and our vibrations and our intentions can bring forth an experience into reality, then gosh darn it it’s time for us to leverage that.

Alan Steinfeld

Yes, yes, yes.

Laura Fox

And so my thought was, the thought that began to emerge from this, this series of meditations is, it’s time for us to leverage that collectively on behalf of our Earth life experience. Because as the Mayans say, I believe it was June 5th of 2005, if I’m correct. I may be wrong. But that that it was the actual demarcation of an era within the Mayan calendar.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh, was that the Venus transit? Was that the transit?

Laura Fox

I’m not sure if it had to do with Venus, but what what it may have, it’s about, it it may have been when Venus came in because I know it’s very strong now. But it it’s, it’s about shifting this a switch from the age of power or power over to the age of ethics, which is also the age of co-creation.

Alan Steinfeld

Ethics, you said?

Laura Fox

Yes.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh, okay.

Laura Fox

So the age of ethics is also the age of co-creation because in order to co-create, we really have to be transparent and ethical in order to really do it on a positive level. In other words, if we’re not going to have the dictator who’s telling us all how to live anymore.

Alan Steinfeld

Right.

Laura Fox

You know, we’re going to have an age of co-creation. Well, what does that mean? How do we do that, you know?

Alan Steinfeld

Yes, tell us. Tell us.

Laura Fox

So what came through to help us learn how to do this is this process of, of, of visionary stewardship called Anchor The Dream. And basically the, it’s it’s like um, it’s a workshop setting Uh huh that that we do that I’ve done around the country and I love to do and hold space for. And um we go, we basically start with the idea of looking at what’s happening on the planet. What is our reality that we’re facing now? The good, the bad, the ugly. We look at it as it is. Right. And what’s really getting you passionate now, whether you hate it or you love it. What’s going on in the planet? We get a picture of that. We look at that and we get real with that. Uh huh. And, and then we take that information and ba, and, and break that into maybe depending on how many people are in the group, maybe if there’s 30 people, we’ll do um you know five groups of six or something like that.

Alan Steinfeld

So if people say I want to end the war or something.

Laura Fox

Yeah. We put that on there. And so then of course we, you know what we learned from reality creation is we turn that around too. We want peace. Right.

Alan Steinfeld

Okay.

Laura Fox

So you know, you use, first we gotta put the contrast out there so we can see what we don’t want and what we don’t want helps us to see what we do want.

Alan Steinfeld

Right. Cause you don’t want to say I don’t want war, you want to say what you do. I get it because you’re just creating more of what you don’t want.

Laura Fox

That’s right. That’s right. But however, from where we are now, there’s a lot of what we don’t want in our face.

Alan Steinfeld

Yes, and we have to actually acknowledge the truth of that.

Laura Fox

That’s right.

Alan Steinfeld

Okay. I got it.

Laura Fox

Acknowledge the truth of it. And that also helps people get it out of their system and on the board and we literally write this down and look at it. And then we decide, well, what of all this stuff, how does this break down into topics? Uh huh. And then, and then we might have six topics, like sustainability, you know, spirituality comes up sometimes or, you know, healing, communication, systems on the planet, education, how are we, you know, and it could be any number of things like that that come up depending on the energy of that particular group that get crystallized into kind of, um, focus topics.

Alan Steinfeld

Just one thing about the, the, this reality of the negative. Uh, when I’ve been talking to someone named Paul Levy, do you know him, Awake in the Dream? He says those negative aspects are our unconscious parts of ourselves showing their face. Mm hmm. And by embracing them, by looking at them, they start to be less unconscious and we can start to change them.

Laura Fox

So absolutely. And the, the subconscious, we can’t tell it it’s wrong and expect it to change, you know, we need to see what’s in there, what’s real for that part of ourselves.

Alan Steinfeld

So then you, okay, you mark these certain topics and then what else happens?

Laura Fox

And then what happens next is we ask everyone to gravitate to whatever one of these topics the group has come up with for it for that day that it wants to work on. On behalf of our collective humanity. What we ask everyone to gravitate, you know, somebody claims it. Somebody claims that and says, I’m going to stand for this. And then people gravitate to those topics that they’re most passionate about because again, the passion is the energy and the energy is what informs and, and catalyzes and, and makes reality happen, right? Right. So you have the matter, which is the divine substance of the universe. And then you have the pattern, which is the particular idea. And so not matter substance and energy. And so you put the matter together with the pattern and you’ve got, you know, the universe making love and bringing forth new things, right?

Alan Steinfeld

That is such a good way. Matter and pattern. Yeah. That is so good because I talk about patterns in the work I do with symbols and, and the subconscious, but yeah, go ahead.

Laura Fox

It’s the father energy and coming together with the mother.

Alan Steinfeld

Yes, it’s brilliant. Yes.

Laura Fox

It’s the basic thing here. Basically positive. So you look at. Okay, so what is so you people get together in the group, someone stands for and then what happens?

Laura Fox

And then what happens is people um people go into a personal vision because the other part of the belief that we’re working with here, which I feel strongly about is that each and end if we’re moving into the age of collective co-creation, we really need to get this. Each one of us has a very important role to play. Each one of us has a piece of the vision and a piece of the energy and a piece of the solution. And so as we begin to honor that in each person, it empowers them to become the leaders that they are. So I feel like one of my main jobs is empowering leaders of the new paradigm to wake up and realize who they are. Yes, you create differently than others. You’re not in the power over structure so how do you create so i want to create opportunities where people can feel and resonate with their own sense of inner leadership and the way that they lead and so one important step to that is is a very simple thing which is just allowing everyone to go into a unique shamanic vision within their pod and usually we do it in a fun way like with people’s heads together and things like that and they they go into a specific meditation which allows them to access what is their piece of that vision i see great and then when they emerge they share

Alan Steinfeld

Okay they share verbally

Laura Fox

they share verbally with their own pod right so at this point people are separated into little pods that they can work on this specific right aspect

Alan Steinfeld

I’ve actually been doing that with a group in New York that I helped found called the Coalition for One Voice which is a collective of a lot of spiritual groups coming together for a one voice to create a single vision of how conscious change can take place. So we’re at that point where we’ve broken down into pods and shared our collective vision. And but I think you have another piece.

Laura Fox

We’re the next step. And yes, and so also like for example I’m sure you’ve heard of the Pachamama Alliance.

Alan Steinfeld

I, no I know, no, tell me.

Laura Fox

You’ll be you’ll want to find out more about them as well and they sort of take it to this level as well and they do some other types of exercises. And the piece that I’m offering that seems to be new to many groups is this idea of then having these pods create a visionary drama. So they talk about it, they they all share their visions, then they talk about what how that’s significant and what they want their drama to be. And you know, to me it’s interesting, the word drama and dream. And the word play. You know, a drama is a play, a drama is a dream. Right. And so we’re awakening in our in the dream as the dreamers of the new reality and we’re dreaming our new reality into existence. And dream and drama really, to me are almost the same word. Hmm.

Alan Steinfeld

And so as we then, so what happens, each pod is creating a play and a drama and a dream to share with the others.

Laura Fox

In an entertaining or serious way as well?

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah. It’s like in other words it’s very it tends to usually be very playful and high vibrational. And because we are usually, we’re eating a lot of raw foods, there’s always raw chocolate there, you know, for whoever wants that, right? That’ll keep you awake. Yes. keep your energy happy and high. And then just the energy of being together focusing on all these things. You know in the Abraham teachings they talk about, you know, if you’re if you’re focusing on something you love, your vibration’s going to be high and you’re going to get really happy. And then that high vibrational frequency energy coming through you is that that substance which is going to imprint that pattern. And the pattern is the idea, the pattern is what that group has just discussed. The energy behind the people observing it, because you know the whole two or more are gathered observing anything, it magnifies our spiritual power. Great.

Laura Fox

So by acting out or doing the play of what their vision is, it puts it out into the collective consciousness to become a reality?

Alan Steinfeld

We are dialing in new blueprints for earth life based on agendas of our own choosing to save the planet at the last possible second with the most fun ever possible.

Laura Fox

But the other key that you’re said that’s coming to me about what you’re saying is the active creativity is our connection to the source and its creativity that creates the new patterns which creates the new future and the new realities.

Alan Steinfeld

That’s right. And if we, so there’s levels of reality creation too. For example, you know, you can create just with the mind. And what the master teachers say about that is if we’re creating just with our thoughts about what we think is going to be a good idea, we create on one level and we can have some success with that. However, it typically won’t last and won’t be terribly satisfying. There’s three steps, and the middle step then would be to say, well, I want to not only create with my mind, I also want to create with my heart. I want to create my heart and my feelings and what I personally feel is good. And I want to bring that aspect in. And so when we start to create with the heart, then things are going to last more, they’re going to be feel more refreshing, and they’re going to feel more whole. And they’re going to stabilize our lives more.

Laura Fox

And then when you actually. Yeah. No, then when you actually act it out and put it into body, into the body, it actually grounds the vision into the concrete reality.

Alan Steinfeld

It does. And, and, and then, and there’s another level for creating in an even higher way. Well, I want to call it higher, lower, heavy, you know, we don’t have to break down. Well, we could. A higher frequency. There are higher and lower frequencies. A more aligned way. Yeah. So that’s when we, we not only create with our mind and then we bring in the heart, but we also bring in each other, the planet, and God, spirit, life, nature.

Laura Fox

Into the play, how do you do that?

Alan Steinfeld

You actually literally, this is a high technology, this is thought probably the highest technology I have personal access to at the moment on the planet. Once you’ve created that vision, once you’ve come to the conclusion of what you and your collective think is the best vision for earth, you then literally take that and energetically, spirit, divine presence of love itself, Mother Nature, I give this to you, please qualify it, bless it, make any other suggestions for how it could be better, and give it back to us. Blessed or modified.

Laura Fox

And how does it get given back to you?

Alan Steinfeld

In, it’s a sort of a, you know, a, what do you want to call it, a psychic experience or an intuitive experience of then you’re once you do that, you await a response from the inner prompting. And it may be like, wow, that is just so right on and go. Or you might be like, wow, we could add this, and it could be. So then you’ve like included not only your brothers and sisters, but you’ve included the planet herself. You’ve included all of spirit, which is where we’re all one, which knows everything. So then you’ve taken the whole active creating to a whole another dimension altogether.

Laura Fox

So just tell us a little bit of the transformations you’ve seen take place because of anchoring the dream.

Alan Steinfeld

What happens during an anchor the dream process is actually a lot of levels happen. Sometimes the frequency is so high in the room, people just have healings. They just feel like they’re like emotionally or or physically they get healed.

Laura Fox

That is beautiful. That’s. Because.

Alan Steinfeld

It literally is just the frequency itself of the room. And since this is about us, I feel honored to be holding the space for this. You know, this is like, this is a gift coming through me for us. And for people to run with, you know. Take it, run with it. You know what I’m saying?

Laura Fox

Yeah. I mean, will you come to New York and do this with my.

Alan Steinfeld

Absolutely. I would love to.

Laura Fox

Great. I mean, so the best way to get in touch with you if people like what they’re hearing and I think they would if they’re listening, is to go to your website. anchorthedream.com is that. Dream.com. And I can be reached at Laura@anchorthedream.com.

Alan Steinfeld

And just to kind of wrap up, how do you then connect and I think it’s obvious in a way anchor the dream with the raw spirit test, which is, you know, another aspect of that.

Laura Fox

Exactly. These things are all so connected. One is the doorway to the other. And again, if how we create reality is through, you know, bringing in a high frequency of love and joy, you know, the people who aren’t harming. You know, the whole thing about the meek shall inherit the earth.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah.

Laura Fox

I bet, I always get, so what is the meek? Meek is someone who’s not hurting anyone.

Alan Steinfeld

Right. Right.

Laura Fox

The humble people.

Alan Steinfeld

The humble people, the people who are truly wanting to be in harmonious co-creative community together.

Laura Fox

Wow. Nice.

Alan Steinfeld

And, and so it’s an obvious match. This kind of desire to create community and this desire to learn more about how we create reality. I mean, we’re really we’re not it’s like it’s humble and you have to become humble in order to realize your greatness.

Laura Fox

In a balanced way.

Alan Steinfeld

I get it. No, I get it. I think we’re all learning that when we have to be ordinary to find out how extraordinary we really are. Right. Because we have the power to shift this planet.

Laura Fox

Well we do. And let’s hope more and more people really understand how much power we have.

Alan Steinfeld

Absolutely. Absolutely. That’s the key. It’s like you know, I like to say, you know, it ain’t over till the volleyball hits the sand and it is time to dive for it, man. Just get in the sand and push this planet back up into the air and you know what, we can do it.

Laura Fox

We can. Are you from California? It sounds like some…

Alan Steinfeld

People always think I’m from California but I’m from the East Coast.

Laura Fox

Are you from the East Coast? Where are you from? Virginia.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh Virginia. My family from New York originally.

Laura Fox

Well I think you’re doing amazing things. Thank you. We need a billion of you on the planet.

Alan Steinfeld

Well, you know, it’s, it’s just we’re all waking up. It’s just so much fun to see so many people popping. And I celebrate each one of us with our talents and our leadership abilities to get out there and really do who we are because we need us.

Laura Fox

We need all of us.

Alan Steinfeld

Well what’s amazing about you, and I can just tell from your voice, is that you, you, you live what you’re, what it is that you’re saying, you know? It’s, it’s in your vibration, it’s in your enthusiasm. And I, I, it’s actually helped lift me up. I was a little tired.

Laura Fox

Oh, well, I’m glad. Well, yes. It’s, it’s just, you know, it’s time. It’s time. Somebody pressed the go button, I think it was me, and probably a million of the of us, were ready. We were ready to make the shift. And the shift has definitely hit the fan. It is. And you know, you were talking about getting out of the box earlier, Alan, and I it’s not only time to get out of the box, it’s time to get out the exacto knife, break down the box and recycle it.

Alan Steinfeld

That’s right. And just live without a box, live in the unknown, free in the creative essence that we are.

Laura Fox

Yeah. And enjoy life.

Alan Steinfeld

And the new beautiful new patterns that we create out of the unified fields will be more flowing.

Laura Fox

Well, we need new patterns because the old ones have gotten us stuck in. So what you’re doing is creating new patterns of behavior and thought and being. It’s exactly what we need to to birth a new time.

Alan Steinfeld

That’s right.

Alan Steinfeld

Well, Laura, this has been really great for me.

Laura Fox

Thank you, Alan, for me, too. It’s such an honor and a pleasure, and I’m really glad that we finally get a chance to connect.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah. So we will connect in person. I will report about the raw spirit fest, which is coming up October 12th to 14th is still space available, right?

Laura Fox

There’s still space available. Yes. And we’re looking forward to having you and your crew there.

Alan Steinfeld

Yes, we will be there doing video dates and I will report back and it’s in the most of my favorite spot in the world is Sedona Arizona.

Laura Fox

Absolutely. And people can get find out about it at rawspirit.com. We’re actually even looking for volunteers still. So if anybody wants to volunteer, they can send me an email at laura@rawspirit.com and that’s a half price ticket.

Alan Steinfeld

Great, great. Laura, I let’s do some more interviews. We’ll do any time. I love it. Thank you so much. And we’ll talk about bringing you to New York and, and getting you out there. Sounds fabulous. I can’t wait. Have a wonderful night. Yes, I really appreciate your work. Thank you, Alan. And adios. Thank you. Good night. Good night, Laura. I’ve been talking to Laura. We’re going to go to our break now. And we’re going to have my second guest of the evening on. So, um, stay tuned. Welcome back to new realities. My second guest of the evening is someone who will really inspire us with a some of the traditional wisdom that he’s been um, a holder of. He is Chief Arvol Looking Horse of the Lakota people. And he is a 19th generation keeper of the White Buffalo Calf Pipe Bundle. He’s also the founder of the Walakota Foundation and he’s going to be talking to us about the Lakota traditions and how it really relates to this time and this place that we’re we’re in now at this, at this cycle in the earth’s history. Uh, Chief Arvol?

Chief Arvol

Yes.

Alan Steinfeld

Great, great. Laura, I let’s do some more interviews. We’ll do any time. I love it. Thank you so much. And we’ll talk about bringing you to New York and, and getting you out there. Sounds fabulous. I can’t wait. Have a wonderful night. Yes, I really appreciate your work. Thank you, Alan. And adios. Thank you. Good night. Good night, Laura. I’ve been talking to Laura. We’re going to go to our break now. And we’re going to have my second guest of the evening on. So, um, stay tuned. Welcome back to new realities. My second guest of the evening is someone who will really inspire us with a some of the traditional wisdom that he’s been um, a holder of. He is Chief Arvol Looking Horse of the Lakota people. And he is a 19th generation keeper of the White Buffalo Calf Pipe Bundle. He’s also the founder of the Walakota Foundation and he’s going to be talking to us about the Lakota traditions and how it really relates to this time and this place that we’re we’re in now at this, at this cycle in the earth’s history. , Chief Arvol?

Chief Arvol

Yes.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah, um, you know I think it’s good to give us a background a little bit about um the wisdom that the Lakotas have for, well people sort of know what they’ve been through but also where we are now and how Lakota wisdom fits into the the world situation. Can you, can you talk about that?

Chief Arvol

Yes, I I’d like to first of all say um Wopila, it’s a great honor to be on your radio here and I am living on the reservation in South Dakota, Cheyenne, Cheyenne River Reservation. And I since the age of 12 years old I have been the keeper of the sacred bundle. So my life is based on ceremonies and and um our traditions our culture and traditions. So that’s the way 

Alan Steinfeld

But can you talk about the sacred bundle? I mean what does that mean for for people who don’t know what that is?

Chief Arvol

Okay. 19 generations ago

Alan Steinfeld

Because I am the 19th generation. And this bundle is a spirit bundle and it chooses the keeper. So when my grandmother 1966 before she went into the spirit world, she um um she told me that the like this um spirit bundle it it chooses the keeper so it chose me.

Chief Arvol

19 generations is what, that’s like 2000 years or something, right?

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah. Because one lifespan is um one generation to us.

Chief Arvol

Oh, but what’s in the bundle? What is it a bundle of?

Alan Steinfeld

It’s a I like to share with you a short story about you know long ago after we have our creation story. Yeah. and um

Chief Arvol

I would love to hear it if you want to tell the creation story then.

Alan Steinfeld

Yes. Well in our creation story there was a is rock or stone people. h And then we have the um Mni Wiconi the water of life. And when these two came together it brought energy. We call it Wakan. And then we have the creation story where the two legget, the four legget and the winged ones all the animals got their colors and you know how animals became and

Chief Arvol

They came out of when the stone people met the the waters of life it created life on the earth and created all is that what you’re saying created the four-leggeds and the two-leggeds?

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah after yeah after the the first creation. Right. That makes sense. Yeah. And then our creation is that we came from as two legits from the Black Hills of South Dakota h which is we we to us it’s the heart of Unci Maka Grandmother Earth. And that’s where our first people live in within the Black Hills. And So up to this day, you know, we take care of the heart of grandmother. You take care of it as caretakers of the Black Hills.

Chief Arvol

Yes.

Alan Steinfeld

So that’s where our ancestors came from. And and I’ll I’ll get back to that after tell a story about this was after that like there’s a creation story where the two legged and the four legged had a race around the race track there’s a around the black hills. And there the like the story is that the the two legged won. The two legged won, so all these animals were coming into like in groups to to the people saying that because you, you know, you won this great race around the black hills. Right. that around the black hills there’s a race track. And so the the next day they had a great council and all these animals were coming  to the people and said, no, we would help you from this day, we would help you and when you but you need to pray for us too. Right. Say, there’s a word called mitakuye oyasin is all my relations. Oh right yes I’ve heard that Mitakuye Oyasin. Yeah so.

Chief Arvol

Then,

Alan Steinfeld

so they, they made a prophecy back then to that. A lot of our, we have a lot of prophecies that goes way back into creation. This is one of ’em about the animal nation. Like the eagle. The eagle said, we would fly the highest and see the sun first. Right. And then, but your prayers would keep us strong up there. every day. The day that your prayers are weak, and your offerings like, like a offering like a spirit food like, like a, we say prayers with our food before we do our ceremony. Oh, alright. The blessing of the food.

Chief Arvol

Yep.

Alan Steinfeld

So, what happened next was that the eagle said when these offerings are not there and they’re weak, then that’s going to lower us and lower us until someday we go we would go into places where we have never gone before. Mm. And just when that time happens, we would see some things that we have never seen before.

Chief Arvol

What kind of stuff were they meaning?

Alan Steinfeld

That, that means, like crossing boundaries. So the kind of stuff would be the kind of the descent into the lower worlds into the, I mean, it’s kind of a loss of, of energy on the planet or something?

Chief Arvol

Yes. Like, um, like people would disrespect each other or know boundaries would be crossed.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh, I see. So the eagle would see things that it never saw before because it’s forced to live closer to mankind. Exactly. Wow. That’s a prophecy of the animal nation.

Chief Arvol

And, um, like, um, they would. Like animals would bite each other or they would, … Be at war? I would.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah. There was confusion within the environment. Oh, I see. Oh, I see. And that it does seem to be what’s happening in some ways.

Chief Arvol

Yes, that’s.

Alan Steinfeld

That’s what is happening. Then, the next is the story that I’m going to tell you is that with that bundle that they took care of.

Chief Arvol

Oh, yeah.

Alan Steinfeld

That is, um, the people were supposed to follow this tradition or this way of life and then they would, um, pray for their animals. But pretty soon, the people, they became like, um, , because the, there was the mind and the body and the spirit that were honoring the sacredness. Yes. Of a man as a mind and body and spirit. Right. What happened was like they start to, with their mind they, I guess, they try to, they took more than what they need.

Chief Arvol

The mind, the mind of man, or humans took more what they needed from the earth.

Alan Steinfeld

Yes, greedy. Yes.

Chief Arvol

Okay.

Alan Steinfeld

So, , what happened was, I guess, all the food disappeared and the buffalo disappeared. Right. So every day they sent two scouts out to travel and then one day they were sitting on a hill and they saw from the distance this woman was coming towards them. And the the one scout said, I wonder what this woman is doing out here way out nowhere. And the one scout said, why, she’s a beautiful woman. I must take her as a, my wife or my woman. Right. And the other scout said, no, don’t do that because our people are praying for food. There’s no food, our people are sick and hungry. And then, as she came, she pointed to the one with the bad thoughts and.

Chief Arvol

Anyway, what happened was when the cloud lifted, a cloud enveloped him, and then when he went to her, when the clouds lifted, he was a skeleton. And she said to the other scout, she said, go back and tell the people what you have seen.

Alan Steinfeld

Wait, what happened to the other guy?

Chief Arvol

Oh, he had bad thoughts.

Alan Steinfeld

Bad what?

Chief Arvol

Bad thoughts.

Alan Steinfeld

Thoughts? Yeah. And then what happened to him after the cloud lifted?

Chief Arvol

He was a skeleton.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh, oh, oh, I see. I see. I see. So his, yeah. I see. So he, the woman said to the other guy, go back and tell people what you’ve seen.

Chief Arvol

Yes.

Alan Steinfeld

Okay.

Chief Arvol

And so he went home and he told the people that this woman came to them and then that she would come to them again. Yes. And so the next day they prepared and and sure enough she came. And she was still, she had a bundle in her arms. h. And she came and she was singing some songs. And up to this day we kept these songs in our ceremonies.

Alan Steinfeld

The songs this, this woman sang you, you’ve kept alive.

Chief Arvol

Yeah.

Alan Steinfeld

Can other people hear them or are they just sacred for Lakota?

Chief Arvol

Oh, I mean, yeah.

Alan Steinfeld

I can, um, sing you one of the songs. Oh.

Chief Arvol

Well, okay. After. After. Yeah, I’m just after we finish the story, maybe you could. So, but so she came to the Lakota, gave them these songs.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah. She came and, she sang this song and then she brought the, she came into this place where the people were waiting in a circle. h. And she, the people laid a sage down on the ground. h. Because that’s what the instruction was. So they laid a sage down and then, she came and she opened the bundle and there’s a… a piece of long wood and a red stone.

Chief Arvol

Oh, this was the first medicine pipe.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah, that’s, ah, first, ah, sacred pipe.

Chief Arvol

Was it the first pipe?

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah. That’s the pipe ever. She gave the pipe to the Lakota people.

Chief Arvol

Yeah.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh, I see. So, and the people look at this red stone and this, um, long piece of wood, and then she said, um, she told the people that you’re going to put it together like this. Right. And then… The wood inside the… And there’s some tobacco here, um, it’s called Cansasa. Red willow tobacco. And you’re going to pray to the west, and put it into the pipe. And then you pray to the north and put it into the pipe. And while you’re singing these songs, you’re going to sing these songs. And she kept singing these songs. And then she… prayed to, … Said, you’re going to honor the grandfathers through the four directions. And the Great Spirit and Mother Earth. And then that’s what you can…

Chief Arvol

Put the tobacco in.

Alan Steinfeld

And then you’re going to pray. You’re going to pray with this Cansasa. Or with this… You’re going to pray with this, she said. And then after you finish, you’re going to… then, she pointed to the first keeper. Okay, this is the first keeper. , his name is Tatanka Woslal Najin. The first keeper of the bundle. Yep. 19 generations ago, the first keeper. Okay. So, he put his wood to his, um, mouth and said… Cansasa. Can is wood, and Ope is smoke. And she, um, let the that, that, that’s how that pipe came about. She lit the pipe for the first time.

Chief Arvol

Yeah.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh, right. Okay. So.

Chief Arvol

So, um, the White Buffalo woman.

Alan Steinfeld

Yep. You know, there’s many traditions where a divine feminine would appear and give something to the people. In India, it’s the goddess Kali, or there’s in Egypt, Isis. In many of these traditions, it’s similar, but it’s always, they, she gives a boon or a gift that’s, that’s relevant to that culture. So, it’s, it’s interesting that you’re telling the Lakota story based on this appearance of a divine feminine.

Chief Arvol

Yes.

Alan Steinfeld

And so, you’re saying you still have that original pipe?

Chief Arvol

Yes, that’s the original pipe that I’m taking care of.

Alan Steinfeld

So it’s really a pipe from spirit that manifests from spirit.

Chief Arvol

Yes.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh, that’s amazing. Is this something you take with you on your trips?

Chief Arvol

No, it stays in one place. But you know, we every year, we pray all the time. Its always ongoing ceremony for a lot of different things. Getting back to the sacred pipe there. When she left she went towards the west. She became a young black buffalo. Then she rolled over and became a red buffalo. The third time was a yellow buffalo. And the fourth time she became a white buffalo. She went over the hill as a white buffalo calf. So the people called her the white buffalo calf woman.

Alan Steinfeld

And she left some prophecies for the time now that’s coming?

Chief Arvol

She said next time I stand upon the earth as a white buffalo calf, there’s going to be great changes.

woman.

Alan Steinfeld

And has she come back?

Chief Arvol

The first white buffalo calf was born in Janesfield Wisconsin 1994.

Alan Steinfeld

So the pipe is in South Dakota now?

Chief Arvol

Yes, it is.

Alan Steinfeld

Where is it?

Chief Arvol

It’s on the northwest side of the Black Hills.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh, that’s what, , Steven Spielberg put in his Close Encounters movie, right?

Chief Arvol

Oh, yeah. That’s right. That’s right.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh, that’s, that’s a beautiful, that that became a sacred site for a lot of, um, people interested in UFOs. Oh, yeah. Because, but there’s, but it’s been a sacred site for many tribes, too. And the.

Chief Arvol

, when I was very young, , my, , one of my grandfathers said that the Black Hills is a, is a heart. And I remember, he said, , that some day, , like the Black Hills is, , like, , in Rapid City, they, they sell like, in Rapid City, South Dakota. -h. They sell in the museum, , this, , poster. And they took that this, , picture from a satellite view. And there’s a… It shapes like a heart.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh, the actual Black Hills are shaped like a heart.

Chief Arvol

Yeah.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh, interesting. So… So when they put that red fluorescent light on there, then, … Then, , they see the mountains and the river… -h. It looks like an open heart.

Chief Arvol

Interesting. Now, did the White Buffalo Calf woman have any predictions about global warming or anything that’s the Earth, how the Earth is actually going to…

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah. That’s… when she stands upon the Earth there’d be great changes. There’s going to be… … They call it big winds. Hurricanes. And the… the earth changes… earth… where earthquakes are going to happen, where… never happened before. Hmm. And… so there’s, you know, there’s a lot more, but, … you know, we talked about the earth changes and climate changes.

Chief Arvol

And did she say how long this might last?

Alan Steinfeld

Well, it’s up to the people. Now, it’s up to the people to get back, and what that prophecy said was like, , there’s a lack of faith. -h. And it’s up to…

Chief Arvol

People to have faith in these signs like the white animals being born? It’s not going to be only just the white buffalo calf, but there’s going to be a lot of white animals showing their sacred color.

Alan Steinfeld

-h.

Chief Arvol

Like white bears? Like white, well, I guess they are white bears, but .

Alan Steinfeld

White moose. A white moose? Yes. Have you seen one of those?

Chief Arvol

Yes. I’ve seen it in Canada. Wow. And then, , I have a, a lot of white alligators. H. Like, um, there’s so many, , white animals being born today.

Alan Steinfeld

I mean, it’s a loss of pigment for whatever reason, but it’s connected to some higher spiritual nature, it seems like, h?

Chief Arvol

Yeah, because the, the animals, , you know, we’re supposed to be the voice for the animal nation. Mm. So, that’s the only way that the animals can, , speak to us is to show their sacred color, which is white.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh, I see. So when the animals show their sacred color, it’s reminding us to return to the sacred ways.

Chief Arvol

Yeah.

Alan Steinfeld

Now is was the Ghost Dance part of the Lakota tradition?

Chief Arvol

No.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh. Because that was outlawed because it actually opened up the…

Chief Arvol

Doorways, I think, but …

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah. No Wovoka he was a… In fact, I believe that, , you know, he was, , he’s from… He, he wasn’t part of our tribe, and I just…

Chief Arvol

So are you, you’re, are you the main chief of the Lakota people now?

Alan Steinfeld

One of ’em. How many are there? , oh there’s, we’ve got a lot of different chiefs, . I can’t exactly.

Chief Arvol

-h. But you, do you meet with the chiefs of other tribes or other, you know, countries? I mean, like, have you met the Dalai Lama and… Oh yeah, I met the lot of our great leaders like, , yeah, Dalai Lama, Desmond Tutu and… Right. And now, do you share, you share the prophecies with them when you meet them, right?

Alan Steinfeld

Yes, I talked about, , our prophecies about the white buffalo calf being born and, , doing ceremonies June 21st to, on a sacred site day. And what, what happens as a result of those meetings? Um, what, what do they feel we can do together?

Chief Arvol

Well, basically, I think, , their, their messages is similar to ours where, we need to unite as a people. And, , I… I went to United Nations, … I’ve been going to United Nations since 1993, , I did the opening prayer at the United Nations in New York, , and since then I’ve been come going back, but, , … just, , recently, , a few years ago, , we they, … I don’t know if you heard about it, but , all the churches and the spiritual leaders, you know, went to United Nations. Oh I think I did hear about that. Yeah, so they talked about what the, what I was, what our prophecies and living on a reservation. We have our ceremonies here, and, , and when I heard the, the religious people and the spiritual leaders from different countries talk about the same prophecies, I said, wow, I said, this is, … I can’t believe how spiritually, you know, connected a lot of different nations are. Oh yeah, totally. And also, on your website you said part of the prophecy is that the seventh generation would come together to mend the sacred hoop, restore the spirit of the nations, and unite all nations to heal our Mother Earth.

Alan Steinfeld

Yes. That… That’s the Wolakota Foundation’s mission. Yeah, … I am, , the spiritual leader of the ride on horseback, back to Wounded Knee. , we started back in the mid-80s, and then, , we do ceremonies 1990. , which was, , back in 1890, , the they said that the sacred hoop of the nation was broken at Wounded Knee. Well, people who don’t know Wounded Knee, can you just, I mean, I know it’s an awful story, but can you tell us just a little bit what happened at Wounded Knee? Yeah, Wounded Knee, . Because a lot of people aren’t familiar with. I mean, I know there’s that book called Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee. But what actually happened to that Wounded Knee? And there’s a movie that was recently, , made and a lot of people, you know… I said, you know, at least it was made, but you know, it was really the way, the, it wasn’t really the way the film was made. But what, what actually happened there? Well, back in the 1890, a lot of our people, um… But take it back to before that was, , you know, broken treaties and Right. And then, , they… they went to a, a… like a, there anyway, broken treaties and a lot of, , , like people worked to… because of a like a Crazy Horse, you know, he… Was he a Lakota chief? Yeah, he was a… Yeah. Then there was the all these groups of animals and like the coyotes and the bear and you know the elk and deer then there’s the eagle. The eagle said we would fly the highest and see the sun first.

Chief Arvol

Right. And then but your prayers would keep us strong up there every day. The day that your prayers are weak and your offerings like an offering like spirit food, like we say prayers with our food before we do our ceremony. Right, the blessing of the food.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah. So what happened next was that the eagle said when these offerings are not there and they’re weak, then that’s going to lower us and lower us until someday we would go into places where we have never gone before.

Chief Arvol

And just when that time happens, we would see some things that we have never seen before. What kind of stuff were they meaning?

Alan Steinfeld

That means like crossing boundaries.

Chief Arvol

So the kind of stuff would be the kind of a descent into the lower worlds, into the I mean it’s kind of a loss of of energy on the planet or something?

Alan Steinfeld

Yes. Like, like people would disrespect each other or boundaries would be crossed.

Chief Arvol

Oh I see so the eagle would see things that it never saw before because it’s forced to live closer to mankind. Exactly. Wow, that’s a prophecy of the animal nation.

Alan Steinfeld

 h. And like they would like animals would bite each other or they would…

Chief Arvol

Be at war, are you…

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah, there was confusion within the environment.

Chief Arvol

Oh I see oh I see and that it does seem to be what’s happening in some ways.

Alan Steinfeld

Yes that’s what is happening. Then the next is a story that I’m going to tell you is that with that bundle that they took care of.

Chief Arvol

Oh yeah.

Alan Steinfeld

That is the people were supposed to follow this tradition or this way of life and then they would pray for their animals but pretty soon the people they became like because there was the mind and the body and the spirit that were honoring the sacredness.

Chief Arvol

Yes. Of man is a mind and body and spirit, right.

Alan Steinfeld

What happened was like they started to with their mind they I guess they try to they took more than what they need.

Chief Arvol

The mind of men or humans took more what they needed from the earth.

Alan Steinfeld

Yes, greedy, yep.

Chief Arvol

Okay.

Alan Steinfeld

So what happened was I guess all the food disappeared and the buffalo disappeared.

Chief Arvol

Right.

Alan Steinfeld

So every day they sent two scouts out to travel and then one day they were sitting on the hill and they saw from the distance this woman was coming towards them and the one scout said I wonder what this woman is doing out here way out nowhere. And the one scout said why she’s a beautiful woman, I must take her as my wife or my woman.

Chief Arvol

Right.

Alan Steinfeld

And the other scout said no don’t do that because our people are praying for food. There’s no food, our people are sick and hungry. And then as she came she pointed to the one with the bad thoughts and anyway what happened was when the cloud lifted a cloud enveloped him and then when he went to her and when the clouds lifted he was a skeleton.

Chief Arvol

And she said to the other scout she said go back and tell the people what you have seen. Wait, what happened to the other guy?

Alan Steinfeld

Well he had bad thoughts.

Chief Arvol

Bad what?

Alan Steinfeld

Bad thoughts.

Chief Arvol

Thoughts.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah. And then what happened to him after the cloud lifted?

Chief Arvol

He was a skeleton.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh oh I see I see I see. So his yeah. I see so he the woman said to the other guy go back and tell people what you’ve seen.

Chief Arvol

Yes.

Alan Steinfeld

Okay.

Chief Arvol

And so he went home and he told the people that this woman came to them and then that she would come to them again.

Alan Steinfeld

Yes.

Chief Arvol

And so the next day they prepared and and sure enough she came. And she was still she had a bundle in her arms.

Alan Steinfeld

 h.

Chief Arvol

And she came and she was singing some songs. And up to this day we kept these songs in our ceremonies.

Alan Steinfeld

The songs this woman sang you you’ve kept alive.

Chief Arvol

Yeah.

Alan Steinfeld

Can other people hear them or are they just sacred for Lakota?

Chief Arvol

Oh I mean yeah I can sing you one of the songs.

Alan Steinfeld

Well okay after after yeah I’m just after we finish the story maybe you could. So but so she came to the Lakota gave them these songs.

Chief Arvol

Yeah she came and she sang this song and then she brought the she came into this place where the people were waiting in a circle.

Alan Steinfeld

 h.

Chief Arvol

And she the people laid the sage down on the ground.

Alan Steinfeld

 h.

Chief Arvol

Because that’s what the instruction was. So they laid a sage down and then she came and she opened the bundle and there’s a piece of long wood and a red stone.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh, this was the first medicine pipe.

Chief Arvol

Yeah that’s our first sacred pipe.

Alan Steinfeld

Was it the first pipe?

Chief Arvol

Yeah that’s the pipe ever. She gave the pipe to the Lakota people.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah.

Chief Arvol

Oh I see so.

Alan Steinfeld

And the people look at this red stone and this long piece of wood. And then she said she told the people that you’re going to put it together like this.

Chief Arvol

Right.

Alan Steinfeld

And then the wood inside the and there’s some tobacco here. It’s called Cansasa, red willow tobacco. And you’re going to pray to the west and put it into the pipe. And then you pray to the north and put it into the pipe. And while you’re singing these songs you’re going to sing these songs and she kept singing these songs.

Chief Arvol

H.

Alan Steinfeld

And then she prayed to she said you’re going to honor the grandfathers to the four directions.

Chief Arvol

 h.

Alan Steinfeld

And the Great Spirit and Mother Earth. And then that’s what you can…

Chief Arvol

Put the tobacco in.

Alan Steinfeld

 h. And then you’re going to pray you’re going to pray with this Cansasa. Or with this you’re going to pray with this she said. And then after you finish you’re going to then she pointed to the first keeper okay this is the first keeper. His name is Tatanka Woslal Najin. The first keeper of the bundle. Yup 19 generations ago the first keeper okay. So he put his wood to his mouth and said Cansasa, can is wood and ope is smoke.

Chief Arvol

 h.

Alan Steinfeld

And she lit the that that’s how that pipe came about. She lit the pipe for the first time.

Chief Arvol

Yeah.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh right okay. So…

Chief Arvol

So the White Buffalo woman.

Alan Steinfeld

Yup.

Chief Arvol

You know there’s many traditions where a divine feminine would appear and give something to the people. In India it’s the goddess Kali or there’s in Egypt Isis. In many of these traditions it’s similar but it’s always they she gives a boon or a gift that’s relevant to that culture. So it’s it’s interesting that you’re telling the Lakota story based on this appearance of the divine feminine.

Alan Steinfeld

 h.

Chief Arvol

And so you’re saying you still have that original pipe?

Alan Steinfeld

Yes, that’s the original pipe that I’m taking care of.

Chief Arvol

So it’s really a pipe from spirit that manifests from spirit.

Alan Steinfeld

Yes.

Chief Arvol

Oh that’s amazing is this something you take with you on your trips?

Alan Steinfeld

No, it stays in one place. But you know we every year I…

Chief Arvol

So the pipe is in South Dakota now?

Alan Steinfeld

Yes, it is.

Chief Arvol

Where is it?

Alan Steinfeld

It’s on the northwest side of the Black Hills.

Chief Arvol

Oh that’s what Steven Spielberg put in his Close Encounters movie right?

Alan Steinfeld

Oh yeah, that’s right. That’s right.

Chief Arvol

Oh that’s a beautiful that became a sacred site for a lot of people interested in UFOs. Oh yeah. Because but there’s but it’s been a sacred site for many tribes too. And the…

Alan Steinfeld

 when I was very young my one of my grandfathers said that the Black Hills is a is a heart and I remember he said that someday like the Black Hills is like in Rapid City they they sell like in Rapid City South Dakota.

Chief Arvol

 h.

Alan Steinfeld

They sell in a museum this poster and they took a this picture from the satellite view. And there’s a it shapes like a heart.

Chief Arvol

Oh the actual Black Hills are shaped like a heart.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah. Oh interesting so… So when they put that red fluorescent light on there then then they see the mountains and the river…

Chief Arvol

 h.

Alan Steinfeld

It looks like an open heart.

Chief Arvol

Interesting. Now did the White Buffalo Calf woman have any predictions about global warming or anything that’s the earth how the earth is actually going to…

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah that’s when she stands upon the earth there’d be great changes. There’s going to be they call it big winds hurricanes. And the the earth changes earth where earthquakes are going to happen where never happened before. Hmm. And so there’s you know there’s a lot more but you know we talked about the earth changes and climate changes.

Chief Arvol

And did she say how long this might last?

Alan Steinfeld

Well it’s up to the people. No it’s up to the people to get back and what that prophecy said was like there’s a lack of faith.

Chief Arvol

 h.

Alan Steinfeld

And it’s up to…

Chief Arvol

People to have faith in these signs like the white animals being born?

Alan Steinfeld

It’s not going to be only just the white buffalo calf but there’s going to be a lot of white animals showing their sacred color.

Chief Arvol

 h.

Alan Steinfeld

Like white bears, like white well I guess they are white bears but … white moose. A white moose? Yes. Have you seen one of those? Yes, I’ve seen it in Canada. Wow. And then I have a a lot of white alligator, nah, like um there’s so many white animals being born today.

Chief Arvol

I mean it’s a loss of pigment for whatever reason but it’s connected to some higher spiritual nature it seems like, h?

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah because the the animals you know we’re supposed to be the voice for the animal nation.

Chief Arvol

Mm.

Alan Steinfeld

So that’s the only way that the animals can speak to us is to show their sacred color which is white.

Chief Arvol

Oh I see. So when the animals show their sacred color it’s reminding us to return to the sacred ways.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah.

Chief Arvol

Now is was the Ghost Dance part of the Lakota tradition?

Alan Steinfeld

No.

Chief Arvol

Oh. Because that was outlawed because it actually opened up the…

Alan Steinfeld

Doorways I think but … No Wovoka he was a in fact I believe that you know he was he’s from he he wasn’t part of our tribe and I just…

Chief Arvol

So are you you’re are you the main chief of the Lakota people now?

Alan Steinfeld

One of em. How many are there? , oh there’s we’ve got a lot of different chiefs I can’t exactly.

Chief Arvol

 h. But you do you meet with the chiefs of other tribes or other you know countries I mean like have you met the Dalai Lama and…

Alan Steinfeld

Oh yeah I met a lot of our great leaders like yeah Dalai Lama, Desmond Tutu and…

Chief Arvol

Right. And now do you share you share the prophecies with them when you meet them right?

Alan Steinfeld

Yes I talked about our prophecies about the white buffalo calf being born and doing ceremonies June 21st to to on a sacred site day.

Chief Arvol

And what what happens as a result of those meetings um what what do they feel we can do together?

Alan Steinfeld

Well basically I think their their messages is similar to ours where we need to unite as a people and I I went to United Nations I’ve been going to United Nations since 1993 I did an opening prayer at the United Nations in New York and since then I’ve been com going back but  just recently a few years ago we they I don’t know if you heard about it but all the churches and the spiritual leaders you know went to United Nations.

Chief Arvol

Oh I think I did hear about that.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah so they talked about what what I was what our prophecies and living on a reservation we have our ceremonies here and and when I heard the the religious people and the spiritual leaders from different countries talk about the same prophecies I said wow I said this is I can’t believe how spiritually you know connected a lot of different nations are.

Chief Arvol

Oh yeah, totally. And also on your website you said part of the prophecy is that the seventh generation would come together to mend the sacred hoop, restore the spirit of the nations and unite all nations to heal our Mother Earth.

Alan Steinfeld

Yes. That that’s the Wolakota Foundation’s mission. Yeah I am the spiritual leader of the ride on horseback back to Wounded Knee. we started back in the mid 80s and then we do ceremonies 1990 which was back in 1890 the they said that the sacred hoop of the nation was broken at Wounded Knee.

Chief Arvol

Well, people who don’t know Wounded Knee, can you just, I mean, I know it’s an awful story, but can you tell us just a little bit what happened at Wounded Knee?

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah, Wounded Knee, .

Chief Arvol

Because a lot of people aren’t familiar with. I mean, I know there’s that book called Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee. But what actually happened to that Wounded Knee?

Alan Steinfeld

And there’s a movie that was recently, , made and a lot of people, you know… I said, you know, at least it was made, but you know, it was really the way, the, it wasn’t really the way the film was made.

Chief Arvol

But what, what actually happened there?

Alan Steinfeld

Well, back in the 1890, a lot of our people, um… But take it back to before that was, , you know, broken treaties and…

Chief Arvol

Right.

Alan Steinfeld

And then, , they… they went to a, a… like a, there anyway, broken treaties and a lot of, , , like people worked to… because of a like a Crazy Horse, you know, he…

Chief Arvol

Was he a Lakota chief?

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah, he was a… Yeah. He was a person that, , you know, not brought the people together and then, , and then we had, they had a custom and, , you know, custom, …

Chief Arvol

Oh, right, the whole massacre.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah, yeah. And, and they took, , they got there was a war that took place and, and then at Little Bighorn and that’s, … … know, the, the Lakota people and, and some of the people that helped out, there, now, they defeated Custom there.

Chief Arvol

And that brought the wrath of the government down on… To exterminate the Lakota tribe practically.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah. They, they want, , …

Chief Arvol

Well we say it’s a blessing but it’s a warning.

Alan Steinfeld

It’s a warning. Why? What else did she say before she left that what should we really look out for in these like major times of transition?

Chief Arvol

Great changes.

Alan Steinfeld

Did she say specifically anything?

Chief Arvol

That we need to. In order, we need to come together as humble spiritual get back to our spiritual way of life.

Alan Steinfeld

All the people of the earth. All the two-leggeds.

Chief Arvol

Yep.

Alan Steinfeld

Not just Lakota.

Chief Arvol

Yep.

Alan Steinfeld

I mean how are the Lakota people still like the young Lakotas are they still interested in the old ways or are they leaving the tribe and leaving the Black Hills?

Chief Arvol

Well we still live on the reservation. But…

Alan Steinfeld

But are people leaving or are they is the tradition still strong?

Chief Arvol

It’s…

Alan Steinfeld

Well a lot of our people were Christianized.

Chief Arvol

Ah ha.

Alan Steinfeld

Through the boarding school era.

Chief Arvol

I see so…

Alan Steinfeld

And so a lot of our people you know but there’s I would say the younger people are more are coming back to getting back to our tradition now.

Chief Arvol

What do you think it was? Was it this connection with the white buffalo calf woman that kept the Lakota more intact than some of the other Native Americans do you think?

Alan Steinfeld

I don’t know I just you know we we kept our ceremonies pretty much intact all the time.

Chief Arvol

But a lot of other tribes sort of you know lost lost the ancient ways and and sort of got absorbed within the rest of the culture.

Alan Steinfeld

Yes, a lot of different we’re in the middle of the country and then like from the east and the west, no. We still like we still maintain our traditions very strong and our ceremonies so a lot of people lot yeah I I understand what you’re saying because a lot of people are using our we call it the inipi ceremony but a lot of people call it the sweat lodge.

Chief Arvol

Yeah.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah that yeah. They borrow things like that from our our people here.

Chief Arvol

So what what else should we what should we do what how can we bring ourselves back and and you know what does Lakota say and the white buffalo calf woman prophecy say about helping the planet you know come back to its natural state? Is there anything specific?

Alan Steinfeld

Yes, , well there’s a lot a lot of prophecies but I one thing that I would like to say is what we’re doing right now is with Wolakota. The Wolakota that’s w-o-l-a-k-o-t-a foundation.org.

Chief Arvol

Yeah.

Alan Steinfeld

Yes, yes that’s on June 21st every year we ask the people to come together wherever however they want to as a global community. -h. And um bring the like families together and and or we have a World Peace and Prayer Day on June 21st.

Chief Arvol

June 21st the first day of summer.

Alan Steinfeld

And I’d like to someday even further it to be recognized as an international holiday. Because on this day you know we do ceremonies and I mean we do ceremonies all the time but you know this is the day that you know we do ceremony for like the sun and it’s the longest day summer solstice.

Chief Arvol

Right you do a sun dance then too?

Alan Steinfeld

Yes there’s a lot of sun dances and a lot of different ceremonies that goes on during that time. -h. But we’re it’s a

Chief Arvol

Some people say like it’s a time when like the like there’s two moons like I mean like the sun is coming up and the moon is just not going down.

Alan Steinfeld

Right. So it’s sort of a crack between the dimensions that time.

Chief Arvol

Yeah it’s and a lot of different like I we’ve been all over the world and a lot of people during that time do that ceremony. And that’s where like around the Dakotas and you know neighboring tribes here you know. When we journey to talk about the global warming.

Alan Steinfeld

-h.

Chief Arvol

A lot of people said you know we need to get back to like on June 21st. Mm-hm. So we rode from northern way up in northern Canada. -h. And we rode on horseback through Montana into Devil’s Tower and and when we got there like we did a ceremony and former President Clinton he said let this Indian people do this ceremony.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah.

Chief Arvol

World Peace and Prayer Day.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah.

Chief Arvol

So we did that. But it was the climbers that took us to court and then because they wanted to climb Devil’s Tower on that day. So they took they took us to court and we won that court case the year 2000.

Alan Steinfeld

H.

Chief Arvol

So you know and I told the people I said you know there’s so much like a Devil’s Tower then there’s Devil’s Lake and a lot of our sacred sites are named Devil.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh Devil’s Tower is a sacred site to Lakota?

Chief Arvol

Yes, it is.

Alan Steinfeld

Where is it located Devil’s Tower?

Chief Arvol

It’s on the northwest side of the Black Hills.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh, that’s what Stephen Spielberg put in his Close Encounters movie, right?

Chief Arvol

Oh, yeah. That’s right. That’s where.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh, that’s, that’s a beautiful, that that became a sacred site for a lot of, um, people interested in UFOs.

Chief Arvol

Oh, yeah.

Alan Steinfeld

Because, but there’s, but it’s been a sacred site for many tribes, too. And the…

Chief Arvol

, when I was very young, , my, , one of my grandfathers said that the Black Hills is a, is a heart. And I remember, he said, , that some day, , like the Black Hills is, , like, , in Rapid City, they, they sell like, in Rapid City, South Dakota.

Alan Steinfeld

-h.

Chief Arvol

They sell in the museum, , this, , poster. And they took that this, , picture from a satellite view. And there’s a… It shapes like a heart.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh, the actual Black Hills are shaped like a heart.

Chief Arvol

Yeah. So they, they… So when they put that red fluorescent light on there, then, … Then, , they see the mountains and the river…

Alan Steinfeld

-h.

Chief Arvol

Looks like an open heart.

Alan Steinfeld

Interesting. Now, did the White Buffalo Calf woman have any predictions about global warming or anything that’s the Earth, how the Earth is actually going to…

Chief Arvol

Yeah. That’s… when she stands upon the Earth there’d be great changes. There’s going to be… … They call it big winds. Hurricanes. And the… the earth changes… earth… where earthquakes are going to happen, where… never happened before. Hmm. And… so there’s, you know, there’s a lot more, but, … you know, we talked about the earth changes and climate changes.

Alan Steinfeld

And did she say how long this might last?

Chief Arvol

Well, it’s up to the people. Now, it’s up to the people to get back, and what that prophecy said was like, , there’s a lack of faith.

Alan Steinfeld

-h.

Chief Arvol

And it’s up to…

Alan Steinfeld

People to have faith in these signs like the white animals being born?

Chief Arvol

It’s not going to be only just the white buffalo calf, but there’s going to be a lot of white animals showing their sacred color.

Alan Steinfeld

-h. Like white bears? Like white, well, I guess they are white bears, but .

Chief Arvol

White moose.

Alan Steinfeld

A white moose? Yes. Have you seen one of those?

Chief Arvol

Yes. I’ve seen it in Canada. Wow. And then, , I have a, a lot of white alligators. H. Like, um, there’s so many, , white animals being born today.

Alan Steinfeld

I mean, it’s a loss of pigment for whatever reason, but it’s connected to some higher spiritual nature, it seems like, h?

Chief Arvol

Yeah, because the, the animals, , you know, we’re supposed to be the voice for the animal nation.

Alan Steinfeld

Mm.

Chief Arvol

So, that’s the only way that the animals can, , speak to us is to show their sacred color, which is white.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh, I see. So when the animals show their sacred color, it’s reminding us to return to the sacred ways.

Chief Arvol

Yeah.

Alan Steinfeld

Now is was the Ghost Dance part of the Lakota tradition?

Chief Arvol

No.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh. Because that was outlawed because it actually opened up the…

Chief Arvol

Doorways, I think, but …

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah. No Wovoka he was a… In fact, I believe that, , you know, he was, , he’s from… He, he wasn’t part of our tribe, and I just…

Chief Arvol

So are you, you’re, are you the main chief of the Lakota people now?

Alan Steinfeld

One of ’em. How many are there? , oh there’s, we’ve got a lot of different chiefs, . I can’t exactly.

Chief Arvol

-h. But you, do you meet with the chiefs of other tribes or other, you know, countries? I mean, like, have you met the Dalai Lama and…

Alan Steinfeld

Oh yeah, I met the lot of our great leaders like, , yeah, Dalai Lama, Desmond Tutu and…

Chief Arvol

Right. And now, do you share, you share the prophecies with them when you meet them, right?

Alan Steinfeld

Yes, I talked about, , our prophecies about the white buffalo calf being born and, , doing ceremonies June 21st to, on a sacred site day.

Chief Arvol

And what, what happens as a result of those meetings? Um, what, what do they feel we can do together?

Alan Steinfeld

Well, basically, I think, , their, their messages is similar to ours where, we need to unite as a people. And, , I… I went to United Nations, … I’ve been going to United Nations since 1993, , I did the opening prayer at the United Nations in New York, , and since then I’ve been come going back, but, , … just, , recently, , a few years ago, , we they, … I don’t know if you heard about it, but , all the churches and the spiritual leaders, you know, went to United Nations.

Chief Arvol

Oh I think I did hear about that.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah, so they talked about what the, what I was, what our prophecies and living on a reservation. We have our ceremonies here, and, , and when I heard the, the religious people and the spiritual leaders from different countries talk about the same prophecies, I said, wow, I said, this is, … I can’t believe how spiritually, you know, connected a lot of different nations are.

Chief Arvol

Oh yeah, totally. And also, on your website you said part of the prophecy is that the seventh generation would come together to mend the sacred hoop, restore the spirit of the nations, and unite all nations to heal our Mother Earth.

Alan Steinfeld

Yes. That… That’s the Wolakota Foundation’s mission. Yeah, … I am, , the spiritual leader of the ride on horseback, back to Wounded Knee. , we started back in the mid-80s, and then, , we do ceremonies 1990. , which was, , back in 1890, , the they said that the sacred hoop of the nation was broken at Wounded Knee.

Chief Arvol

Well, people who don’t know Wounded Knee, can you just, I mean, I know it’s an awful story, but can you tell us just a little bit what happened at Wounded Knee?

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah, Wounded Knee, .

Chief Arvol

Because a lot of people aren’t familiar with. I mean, I know there’s that book called Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee. But what actually happened to that Wounded Knee?

Alan Steinfeld

And there’s a movie that was recently, , made and a lot of people, you know… I said, you know, at least it was made, but you know, it was really the way, the, it wasn’t really the way the film was made.

Chief Arvol

But what, what actually happened there?

Alan Steinfeld

Well, back in the 1890, a lot of our people, um… But take it back to before that was, , you know, broken treaties and…

Chief Arvol

Right.

Alan Steinfeld

And then, , they… they went to a, a… like a, there anyway, broken treaties and a lot of, , , like people worked to… because of a like a Crazy Horse, you know, he…

Chief Arvol

Was he a Lakota chief?

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah, he was a… Yeah. He was a person that, , you know, not brought the people together and then, , and then we had, they had a custom and, , you know, custom, …

Chief Arvol

Oh, right, the whole massacre.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah, yeah. And, and they took, , they got there was a war that took place and, and then at Little Bighorn and that’s, … … know, the, the Lakota people and, and some of the people that helped out, there, now, they defeated Custom there.

Chief Arvol

And that brought the wrath of the government down on… To exterminate the Lakota tribe practically.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah. They, they want, , … they won at Little Bighorn and after that, , there was a lot of massacres that took place.

Chief Arvol

By the US government coming in and massacring the Lakota people.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah. And, , just, , a lot of, , Wounded Knees that took place, but, , there the the main one that, , like a Red Cloud, you know, he invited, , Bigfoot to come to Wounded Knee, but, , Red Cloud wasn’t an amazing being. I mean, I, I, I was getting a feel, a couple years back, I was getting a feeling of this amazing spiritual energy that Red Cloud, , was. Was he a great spiritual teacher to Lakota for, for you too?

Chief Arvol

Well, he signed the 1868 treaty.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh.

Chief Arvol

But, , you know, the people at the time didn’t really recognize him because he was, , they call him the paper chief.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh, so I guess he wasn’t so good for the Lakota people.

Chief Arvol

Yeah, but he did sign the treaty.

Alan Steinfeld

Did that help secure? Well, I know. Well, because I that treaty was broken you’re saying.

Chief Arvol

Well, our people, you know, we our because our people, our oral tradition that, you know, we don’t really believe in owning, like, one of our chiefs said, you know, we don’t own the land. The land owns us, you know. Ah. So we, but, , it’s, , to us, , it’s, , very spiritual, , , place or, you know, we need to, , get back to our medicine and our, um, like, protect our medicine and our territory and…

Alan Steinfeld

Well, and also to share that way of life with the rest of the world now, because this is what we need to restore the idea of the sacred hoop. This is what we need now to get back to the Earth.

Chief Arvol

Well, that’s the thing that we need, we’re still maintaining, and we need to, … get back to those, our, our original teachings and, and then our medicine, you know, our, like, our natural medicine, plant medicine.

Alan Steinfeld

Plant medicine, yeah, that’s what, , because, you know, pills, , a lot of our people, you know, they, pills, our people are getting, last hundred years are, you know, affecting their kidneys and, you know…

Chief Arvol

Oh, yeah, no, I mean, is there a movement among the Lakota people to bring the natural medicine back and get rid of the Western medicine?

Alan Steinfeld

I think, , with global warming and, , and all the crisis and all the, all the problems that we’re faced with, a lot of people are, are sort of getting back to, you know, our, respecting our tradition once again.

Chief Arvol

Because they’re finding it’s, it’s, it’s more valuable than, than just the, you know, superficial tradition that’s developed out of, some of the West, you know. Um, so what is the idea of the sacred hoop? What does that mean?

Alan Steinfeld

The sacred hoop is, , like, , imaginary, like a big hoop that, you know, people need to get back to and to understand that, you know, there’s a way of life is, you know, is to bring, , like a holistically, , you know, everything back together.

Chief Arvol

This sacred hoop encompasses the planet itself.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah, it’s, , it’s the planet and in the ceremony like bringing that that sacred hoop like bring everything like our our family circle back together. Yeah. And then and that plant it back together.

Chief Arvol

So, like, I mean, what can you leave us with as the best way to restore the spirit of the nations of the earth? I mean, what can, what can you tell us that will help?

Alan Steinfeld

Yes, I’d like to say that you know we live in a time when you know there’s so much we I know that we’re at war in Baghdad and in fact I’ve been to Baghdad twice.

Chief Arvol

Really?

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah. And the first time I went there’s a prophecy about the black cloud would come and and people would smell sickness in the air. H. And and 1990 I took a group of elders with me and I went over there then 1990 and then the second time I went as up this past this year March I’ll be four years. So Was it really pretty strange? Was it, did you, was it just, is it just what I have to say, ridiculous for us to be over there? I mean what was your, what was your feeling about America’s presence there?

Chief Arvol

And then this year like our ceremonies are like four days and four years. So this this March will be the fourth year. So I hope I hope and pray this year will be you know there’ll be peace in in Baghdad. h. But yeah this is you know we’re living in a time when we everything is is about money. Yeah. And we need to get back to our the natural laws, you know, like to restore, you know, our balance and harmony.

Alan Steinfeld

For the sake of our children, you know. We need to get back to our honor, everything that you know like our teachings and and our um I re have respect for all different cultures and traditions and because we we need to unite spiritually. Yeah. And that’s the responsibility of all the religious leaders and the spiritual leaders to people to you know respect them and because that’s the foundation of all nations. Is their spiritual guidance.

Chief Arvol

Thank you, Chief Arvol Looking Horse.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh, ho.

Chief Arvol

Ho. Thank, thank you for sharing all the teachings and the wisdom from the Lakota people and I look forward to meeting you in New York.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh, ho, okay.

Alan Steinfeld

And, um, I’ll be in touch with your people here and maybe we’ll do an a television interview as well.

Chief Arvol

Okay, Waste. Wopila. Toksa.

Alan Steinfeld

Thank you so much for speaking with us.

Chief Arvol

Good night.

Alan Steinfeld

Good night. I’ve been talking to Chief Arvol Looking Horse of Lakota people. That is the Wolako Wolakota Foundation or Wolakota.org. And it’s a foundation that, um, is about spreading peace and prayers. And I definitely recommend going to the website because it really gives you a feeling of what the teachings of the White Buffalo Calf Woman are. And there’s actually a whole little book that you can order from this website about the teachings of the White Buffalo Calf Woman. This is New Realities. I’m Alan Steinfeld. Thank you for listening tonight to this program. Heard every Tuesday night at 10.30 PM. East Coast time. 7.30 West Coast time. I’m going to leave with a song called The Song of the Soul, Chris Williamson. If you have any questions you can email me at newrealities@earthlink.net or check the website newrealities.tv. And I look forward to hearing from you and maybe speaking to you next week. So here’s my song. Thank you for listening.