New Realities recorded on March 25, 2007
Summary
Host Alan Steinfeld opens the show with announcements for various spiritual and consciousness-related events in New York. He then interviews Dr. J.J. Hurtak and Desiree Hurtak from the Academy for Future Science. They discuss the groundbreaking release of UFO files by the French government, detailing the difference between extraterrestrial and higher-dimensional ultraterrestrial intelligences. The conversation highlights the necessity for humanity to evolve spiritually and psychologically to understand our cosmic origins. They also delve into their research on the Giza pyramids in Egypt, specifically the star shafts in the Queen’s Chamber, which they believe point to our connection with the greater cosmos.
Transcript
Alan Steinfeld
Welcome, welcome to New Realities. This is New Realities radio, a takeoff on New Realities television. And it’s a program dedicated to exploring evolving human potentials in an evolving world. The series, now to be broadcast every Sunday at 9:30, explores the idea of how to become more conscious beings, how to overcome our automatic programming and take free rein of our bodies, mind and spirit so we can inhabit and create a better world. This program is constantly on the lookout for new and different perspectives in achieving a greater and more peaceful reality for the planet. It’s about embracing a synthesis of rational understanding with mystical awareness. And we must continually be on the watch for ways in which to enlarge our consciousness and we must not attempt to limit our slice of the world which has been given to us, but we must somehow learn to transform and transfigure it. My name is Alan Steinfeld, and I’m the host and premier show of New Realities. And New Realities is an organization and company and vision that I started in order to create a networking of spiritual events and politics and philosophy that circles the world. And part of the New Realities mission is, one, to create this television show that’s been on for 15 years in Manhattan cable, Time Warner Cable every Monday night on Channel 57. Another recent event is to organize events in the New York area and around the surrounding areas, I suppose. And then also to send out a newsletter. So, the first part of this program, I’d like to review some of the events that will be coming to the New York area. And if you are in the New York area or would like to be on the mailing list of events like the ones New Realities presents, then please email me at newrealities, n e w r e a l i t i e s @ earthlink.net. My name’s Alan and that is the email to get on the email list. You can look up my website which is newrealities.tv, www.newrealities.tv. And each month I send out a newsletter. So if you email that, if you email me, you’ll be put on the monthly newsletter. And also during the month, there is also different types of events that are about this spiritual renaissance. As Carolyn Myss just said, I just interviewed her and about her new book called Entering the Castle. And that program will be broadcast this Monday. This Monday which is tomorrow actually, and that will be at 9:00 on Channel 57 or w m n n, that’ll be on mnn.org, you can listen to that on the internet. And if you don’t care, can’t get that, you have to download media player. But anyway, some of the upcoming events for April, and the last week of March will be on Thursday, March 29th, Andrew Cohen, the founder of EnlightenNext will be talking at the Lighthouse in New York at 111 East 59th Street, and he will be speaking about what is the evolutionary enlightenment, what is enlightenment for a spiritual life. He says it’s not peace, but it’s perpetual development. Evolutionary enlightenment is about the ecstasy that compels us to create the future. And I think Andrew Cohen has a lot, his magazine What is Enlightenment is really a focal point in this emerging culture. And I think it’s probably one of the best publications out there at this time that is really combining a new level of spirituality with science and philosophy. And looking at major thinkers, every week, every issue that is, he has a little thing with Ken Wilber, who I would say is one of the intellectuals of the spiritual movement. And he does have a lot to say as far as the combining of the mind with spirit. So that’s March 29th, Andrew Cohen in New York. And you can go to enlightennext.org to order tickets. Also coming up is one of the major happenings in New York is the New Life Expo. New Life Expo is something that goes on twice, twice a year at the New Yorker Hotel produced by Mark Becker, and that is the best and the most outrageous and the most far out of healing, spirituality, nutrition in New York. And they also do an expo in Florida. So this Friday it starts at 7:00 at the New Yorker Hotel, that is 8th Avenue and 34th Street if you are in Manhattan or are coming to Manhattan. And that usually starts with a vibrational healing panel on Friday night. I’ll be speaking on Sunday about the nature of symbols and how symbols create reality, that will be 5:00 PM, Alan Steinfeld. And probably the, I usually speak in the Chelsea Room on the 4th floor at the New Yorker Hotel. The admission for the whole expo is about $25. Also coming up actually Friday as well is Dr. Stephen Chang. He is one of the great founders of the Western understanding of Taoism. And he’s going to be presenting his understanding, he wrote a book called The Great Tao and he is truly a master, Stephen Chang. And he will probably be at, although it’s not set yet, he’ll probably be speaking at the American Conference Center, and that is 730 3rd Avenue. And if you want any more information about that, you can call 212-473-6388. That’s Dr. Stephen Chang, the author of The Great Tao, that’s March 30th in Manhattan. Also coming up on April 5th will be, well actually April 2nd is Passover and the new moon, and that’s always a great celebration in wherever you may be. This is the planting full moon, that is usually why I would say these major holidays were picked around, the major religious holidays were picked around the seasonal understanding of Easter and Passover picked around the full moon. Let’s see what else is coming up. Also Star Fuentes, who is a shamanic healer, she’ll be in New York on from April 2nd to the 7th. And she’ll be giving her talks at the Meta Center which is 214 West 29th Street. And if you have any questions about that, you can call the Meta Center which is 212-736-0999. And her first course is, did you ever desire to connect yourself to the unique abilities of the historical spiritual teachers? In this extraordinary evening you will get an energetic download of what the famous historical men and women, the high spiritual teachers were able to bring to the planet. So Star Fuentes will help open people up to those levels of understanding. So also that is starting April 2nd. But on April 5th, my good friend Michael Jazz will be doing a course in the art of intimacy. And that is part of David Deida. People haven’t, don’t know who David Deida is. He is the new relationship guru. And there’ll be a course about that in New York. If you have any questions about that, call 212-477-0522. That is the art of intimacy. And with a person named Michael Jazz. On April 6th, there’s something I’m particularly presenting, a New Realities event is presenting an evening with Nicole Daedone, who is part of the OneTaste Collective in San Francisco. She’ll be in New York speaking about something called beyond tantra, sensuality and spirituality. And that will be at the Center Point Yoga Studios, 324 Lafayette Street. And if you have any questions about that, you can call me at 212-473-6388. Let’s see what else this month of April. It’s a very busy, jam-packed month. Sondra Ray will be in New York April 18th to give a talk on how to liberate yourselves from patterns that no longer serve you and what you can do to create more harmonious loving relationships. Sondra Ray is the founder of the Loving Relationships Training. And that will also be at the Meta Center, 214 West 29th Street, between 7th and 8th Avenue. And you can call for reservations 212-534-2969. I know I’m going through these numbers pretty fast, so if you have any questions about anything I have mentioned, just call 212-473-6388 or email newrealities at earthlink.net. Another big exciting event that’s been talked about is this whole thing about The Secret, everyone’s dishing The Secret, they’re promoting The Secret, this person named Shiva Baba is doing something called Beyond The Secret. If you haven’t seen The Secret, I would recommend seeing it because it does have some keys to unfolding new realities. The Secret basically is the law of attraction, what you put out comes back. So an Indian teacher named Shiva Baba will be in New York on April 13th and 14th doing a course called Beyond The Secret, Secrets of the Enlightened Alchemists of India, the Tamil Siddhas. Tamil Siddhas were high spiritual teachers that particularly lived in the Tamil Nadu area of India, which is the south. And Shiva Baba is one of the inheritors of that tradition. So he’ll be talking about how to go beyond the secret, can your positive thoughts and emotions really bring you anything you want? Beyond feeling good and focusing on goals, there’s a karmic reality that cannot be ignored. Anyway, Shiva Baba will go into more detail about the true laws of the secret. Also April 7th, Budd Hopkins and the Intruders Foundation are back for another talk about alien abductions and the whole understanding of UFOs and what they’re doing here. That will be at the ARE Center on West 30th Street. You can look up the ARE Center in New York. That’s Budd Hopkins and the Intruders Foundation. Actually, the guests that I have coming… The realities, this is a little technical glitch there. I’m not sure how much of that you heard of my announcements, but I’m going to go into the next part of the show. If you have any questions about anything you did hear, please email me Alan Steinfeld at newrealities at earthlink.net. And I want to introduce my guests for this evening, who are, have been guests on my television show in Manhattan and they are premiering on this radio show. And they’re Dr. J.J. Hurtak and Desiree Hurtak, they are the founders of the Academy for Future Science, and their research takes them into linguistics, science, ET investigations, manifestations of all sorts. And they’re really combining, and environment actually, and they’re really combining science and spirituality. Hello, Dr. Hurtak. Are you there?
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
Yes, Alan. Thank you. And Desiree is right by my side. We’re very energetic. We know this is a premier program for you and it’s going to be a great platform for people throughout the country and the world hearing updates on so many important areas of spiritual and scientific development.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, exactly. And so I just gave a kind of overview of some of the things that are happening in New York. And I’d like to now lead into some of the latest hot news stories that you’ve been privy to and share that with the audience, because I think it’s some very, very exciting things going on. So please share what you’ve recently heard.
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
Let us first of all start off with France because we all know from my coast to coast program I made in January, I said that the French government would be releasing very important documents dealing with the questions of ET or extraterrestrial science. And there would be 1,600 documents and sure enough, that just took place this past week, officially. There was an announcement that was made by officials with GEIPAN, which is essentially the agency in France that they indeed were releasing these 1,600 documents for public review and some of this would be also on the internet for those who wanted to evaluate and come to their own private conclusions. So to me, this is a very important step of the major governments of the world to have a major country France, come to the fore after 50 years and say, look, world citizens, this is what we have found. That this is a real subject. Extraterrestrial civilizations and intelligence is for real. Its impact on our society as far as we can determine is up front, and it’s not interfering with French national security and that other evaluations will be made from other sectors of science and society.
Alan Steinfeld
So let me just ask you, these are documents that the French government has been collecting from from what, their own investigations or people reporting UFOs? What exactly are these documents?
Desiree Hurtak
Hey Alan, I’m going to join in on this one. These are 1,600 cases that have been registered with this French agency. And it’s it comes off of a branch of what’s called the CNES, which is the Center for Science in France. Similar to NASA. And so GEIPAN is a subdivision of that, almost like we had our Project Blue Book with Allen Hynek and the whole team there. Although instead of putting it down like Project Blue Book did, they just simply stored it in their files and let certain people and investigators look at it, mostly on government levels. Now they’re willing to release it. So since 1954, they’ve stored these documents, and about 25% of them are classified as Type D as in David. And that means despite all the data and credible witnesses, they can’t say that these things are not some sort of unexplained phenomena. And it’s these type of cases they’re they’re really looking at. Like people, mostly eyewitnesses. One was that they reported in 1981, there was a guy in Provence, Southern France, who heard the sound, saw the vehicle. It actually landed in his field about 50 meters away. He said it was dull zinc gray, it was saucer shaped. You know, he reported it to the police, there was burn marks in the field. It’s very hard to say this is some sort of, you know, mind over matter.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, or some sort of foggy fertility type of event that was staged by local authorities.
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
Right. We certainly know that there are other more serious trackings that have been made by those in radio control towers, traffic control towers, airline pilots and those on the ground from all sides of France have looked at this very important subject. And Desiree used the word phenomena in the plural, which means it’s not just one type of event of plasma balls or ball lightning or some type of intriguing swamp gases, as the late Dr. Allen Hynek would call it, sort of a technical put down. But rather this is something that has been seen by multiple witnesses, has gone through the shower tests of the French experts and has brought the government to realize it had to be candid, up front and honest about all of the information its experts had collected.
Desiree Hurtak
But Alan, I have to say this is not the first government to release data.
Alan Steinfeld
I know. Because I want to say, what does this mean that now governments are coming forward? Are they acknowledging that this phenomenon actually exists? I mean, what does it mean that they’re releasing these documents? Are they saying, yes, this is true?
Desiree Hurtak
Well, that’s the problem. They’re not really acknowledging that these things exist. They’re just putting it out to the public saying we’re declassifying information. Spain did this in the seventies and really released some stupendous documents that were from military pilots and other types of pilots with pictures and, and data and, but people just ignored it even though these people were saying we saw this object flying, we saw how it disappeared, we saw how fast it was going. These are military pilots. People still ignored it. Then Brazil, just in 2004, released to some of their credible UFO experts several important documents, and it got published, but really still people somewhat ignored it. Belgium has done this. The UK has done this.
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
And Russia of course, with its great declassified KGB documents that take people all the way to the 50s. What I feel is important here is that the French government is willing to let the people come to their own conclusion. So as Desiree said, they have not given any official analytic bottom line here because I believe that one cannot come from the level of traditional science. And they being wise, that is to say the French authorities, have allowed the general public to come to their own conclusions, of which there’ll be many, because the case studies vary from one level of modality to another. I happen to know several of the members of GEIPAN. I knew also Claude Poher and Jacques Vallee who had testified to Kurt Waldheim in a private meeting in 1979 on the nature of events that were being tracked at that time and considered it very, very serious. So all I can say from my vantage point is we’re very pleased and proud of those experts in the French camp who have said to the Western world, we’ve done our part, now it’s your turn to come forward.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah. But you know what Desiree said is that there’s all these governments that have done this in the past and people have ignored the actual facts, the actual eyewitnesses that this phenomenon has existed. So what do you think, both of you think it will take for the planet to wake up and embrace this phenomenon, which is obviously happening?
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
I think it will cause the accumulated evidence coming from serious top-level government sources, a reexamination of the whole spectrum leading to a new astronomy and perhaps more importantly to all of this, a new psychology of who we are as a human society, as a human race, as an evolutionary culture that is surrounded by other evolutionary perspectives and realities. It means we have to change our mindset. It means we have to see what I believe to be a transformative side of the natural sciences, the consciousness dimension of the mind and spirit, and what we would call historically the oriental or spiritual sciences that accepts the reality of other worlds and other realities.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. But that’s the main question is what is the actual inner psychology in the sense that UFOs are really forcing us to look at not just a physical reality, but a super reality. They’re not gonna be discovered from the outside. They almost have to be discovered from the inside. We have to embrace the psychology of who we are as not just limited Earth beings. We have to embrace a new psychology, like you said. I love that expression, because it is with the new understanding of who we are, that’s the only way I think we’ll recognize something also outside of us.
Desiree Hurtak
Yeah. And we feel this is why many governments have not released the information, because it’s not simplistic. It’s not just nuts and bolts. There’s obviously the phenomena where these beings are able to go through walls, are able to appear and disappear. They’re almost like we’re talking about new realities of fifth, sixth, seventh, even eighth dimensional intelligences. And we go, of course in our lingo, from extraterrestrial to what we call ultraterrestrial.
Alan Steinfeld
Now explain that, because I think that’s a great term.
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
Well the terminology that Desiree is using is the psycholinguistic interpretation of these events that are not simply in the material realm or what we will call extraterrestrial, that require a physical spacecraft or energy technology. But ultraterrestrial, meaning that they are so advanced that they are in essence in pure energy form and require no technology, no physical signs, and violate the laws of thermodynamics and biology and biophysics as we define them. In essence, they’re in a higher category of development which would equate to what the ancients would call the avatars or the super-angelic. That is to say, the field of intelligence, or the force of intelligence, behind the force of intelligence. What I call in my lectures the myth behind the myth, or The Keys of Enoch, the coming of the higher ultraterrestrial intelligence referred to kabbalistically as the sons of light, others would call them the daughters of light, and still others would call them the star intelligences that are beyond the stars. So, we’re looking at a completely new phase of science graduating into recognition that the physical science, the material science, mathematical computations and measurement analysis through supercomputers over 50 years of study cannot give its imprimatur upon these multiple events as being purely of the physical spectrum. We’re looking at the physical as well as the non-physical. And this is of course the reason why the quandary, why the reluctance of some of the traditional authorities to release the information, namely they do not have the answers nor the interpretation. In many instances not even the experience to explain what I call the higher intelligence or the ultraterrestrial dimensions.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. But you’re talking about many different types of beings. It seems to be beings that are semi-physical, that relate to us within a physical domain, and then there’s the higher dimensional beings which have a more spiritual quality to them. Isn’t there a whole range of beings that are out there?
Desiree Hurtak
Well, I think this is what we’re starting to awaken to. And we do feel that this is a threshold point in our own evolution. And some of it has, perhaps some of them have sent us the information that has gotten us to this point where we really can take that next quantum leap. Because we have to start growing up in the cosmos. And when we do this, we realize that we are part of a vast amount of intelligence around us. Now, some of it is good and some of it is bad, just like the energy on this planet. There’s a duality. And of course people can question what bad is and what is a person ever bad or not, you know, but someone else would say they are. So there’s all those levels of reality. But beyond that, not only is there the third dimension, but there’s all these other dimensions, and it’s just full and teeming with life.
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
And Desiree uses the word they, she’s referring to higher categories of cosmic intelligence, not just other governments. What we’re seeing here is the admission by other governments, including the Russian, including the Belgian, including the Brazilian, that these realities are so powerful that they can literally displace military satellites, they can shut down nuclear reactors, they can neutralize nuclear warheads, they can interfere and confound military operations. It seems to be in much of this, a desire to look at the human experiment and to tell us that we as a humanity have to be careful that we’re taking, not taking the drift toward self-destruction through entire technology.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I love what Desiree said, that the universe is really teeming with life, and that the dimensions themselves are teeming with life. And it is as if we’ve been, I would say, isolated within our consciousness from the rest of the cosmos. I mean, would you say we are, have been purposely put into a kind of quarantine?
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
Yeah. The Keys of Enoch argue that we’ve been quarantined as a planetary society because of our misuse of knowledge, and because we are psychologically and spiritually imbalanced. That is to say, we see singularities of one-upmanship and one particular nation state or one particular theological or philosophical line of reason as dislodging or subsuming others. And we need to look at a more harmonic statement of the many and the one rather than the one to the exclusion of the many.
Desiree Hurtak
Yeah, we don’t think it was such a bad thing. Because if we had been approached by extraterrestrial intelligence, say even 6,000 years ago or 2,000 years ago, and I think we were 6,000 years ago, but, you know, they’ve been here a whole all the time, along our whole evolution. We ourselves as a species, at least on this planet, would not have evolved the same way. And so in a sense we have to grow, we have to learn, we have to figure out who we are and what we’re doing. And once we get to that point, or at least once we get evolved to a certain point, then we can make contact with our cosmic brothers and sisters in space. And like, we believe that even the Tower of Babel was part of that, that there was communication back in the old days, so to speak, to extraterrestrial and other levels of intelligence, and it was just too confusing for the people on this planet. We were becoming little pawns because there are different levels of intelligence. And, you know, who knows who to side with or what to do? We could become literally slaves on this planet. Something like you find in Stargate series.
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
Desiree uses the word brothers. She’s referring to the Brothers of Light. Those who are the ultraterrestrial category, who respect human dignity, who have a cosmology of many worlds of interplay or cosmic connectiveness. And also recognize that there is a divine pattern in all of this that leads to a cosmic intelligence that is spiritual, not simply technical, mechanical, material, that is entrapping us in the lower phenomena.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. But some people say we have already been slaves to a higher race. The Zecharia Sitchin books say that we are the genetic manipulations of the gods that came here in order to do their work. I mean, if you follow The Keys of Enoch, and I know you’re familiar with them. I actually differ from that.
Desiree Hurtak
If you follow The Keys of Enoch, and I know you’re familiar with them, we actually differ from that. Although we do feel there have been times, such as Genesis 6, where there was the Nephilim that were created, and even now with abductions, we feel there are periods of time when that’s happened, but in terms of a species, we are a type of Adamic species that exists in space. So we actually, when we get out into space, we’ll find ourselves throughout the cosmos as well. We’ll find gray intelligences, we’ll find reptilian intelligences, we’ll find robotoid intelligences, but we’ll also find Adamic. So it wasn’t that someone came here and manipulated us to get to who we are right now. Basically, we were in space and we came here and we forgot our higher identity.
Alan Steinfeld
So we’re not native to this planet. We’ve been sort of, we’ve been transplanted.
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
Well our genetic code was articulated according to The Keys of Enoch, which is our 600-page book written out 30 years ago. One I say for the radio audience, if they’re interested, yes, the book is still available. If they go to our website, keysofenoch.org, we’ve gone into a new edition with color plates, and it’s available in 10 different languages. So people who are interested may be surprised to see that there are many, many confirmations taking place. One deals with hyper-dimensional space. One deals with different biological categories of intelligence that have been here in the past, that we are examining presently and that will also be connected with this great transformation of consciousness just around the corner. And also the Keys spell out the importance of the expansion of our inner dynamic of consciousness, what some would call the the human bio-computer, that suddenly realizes it has a fantastic ability to connect with any type of mindset or language, or telecommunication through vibration in the universe. And through this higher connectiveness, some would call a reconnection, the mind is made aware of its cosmic potential. Its God spark is awakened, and people begin to realize the inner meaning of not only the Kabbalistic text, but even the biblical text which which actuate, if you read them very carefully, the image of a higher evolutionary Adamic seed that will awaken at the end of the planetary cycle.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, I just want to let the audience know that I am talking to Dr. J.J. Hurtak and Desiree Hurtak, the founders of the Academy for Future Science, the authors of many books on this transformation that’s happening to the planet at this time as we go from a third-dimensional consciousness to a higher-dimensional consciousness. My name is Alan Steinfeld, and this is New Realities. And this is a radio show, which is a takeoff on my television show, which can be seen on the internet at newrealities.tv. And so I just want to ask you, Dr. Hurtak and Desiree, about this understanding of the new psychology. And you mentioned earlier, J. Allen Hynek, who was hired by the government to debunk UFOs, but actually, what happened to him is eventually he came around and said, we can’t debunk this. There is, this is real, this is actually happening. Do you know what actually initiated that transformation in this government-hired debunker to come around and change his mind?
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
Well, I was with J. Allen in Brazil, and we went into several places of happenings and sightings. And we talked to shamans, we talked to social scientists, even charismatic Catholic priests who had had experiences. And Dr. Hynek, a very, very thorough scholar who worked at Northwestern University, before that Harvard University, had some very, very powerful experiences which he said to me and to his wife, he felt this was somehow connected with the coming of Christ, meaning this in a deeper sense of the Cosmic Christ. And his wife Mimi often said to him, he said, why don’t you speak of the spiritual significance of this when you come back to North America? And he said, well I can’t. I’m a scientist, meaning that he was at the head of a great team of investigators and surely his credentials would not mean much if he would slide into the area of spiritual philosophy and psychology. But it was several events that opened his mind to the realization that there were higher-dimensional forces of intelligence. Some of which were very, very profound and very, very positive from a spiritual sense of psychology, suggesting that the ordinary reality we perceive is not the one universe, but a harmony of universes, a multi-universe, that we’re going through a succession or phases of movements of an indefinite number of universes and cosmic realities. So that basically made him break ranks with the Blue Book team, Professor Condon and go out publicly and say the Blue Book was simply a 6 million dollar cover-up, it was not really…
Desiree Hurtak
He actually said that, he came out and said it was a cover-up.
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
He was honest. Desiree and Mimi, see and acknowledged the fact that we had so many higher categories of intelligence connected with the human experiment, not just those that were physical, grotesque and mechanistic.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, who was he? Was he actually a government agent at one point? Can you give a little background of his? Because he is really a pivotal point I think in UFO studies because here…
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
Well, Allen Hynek was the go-between, between the Air Force and the scientific community and what we would call the UFO experts at the time in the late 40s, early 50s. He was really the point man to investigate and to write about the physical EBEs, the biological entities that had been retrieved to that time. And although much of this has to be acknowledged within due time and due process, I do not want to speak out of turn in terms of what his family would want, his closest of colleagues to say that clearly he was one who saw and operated on all sides of this most important phenomena, and was well aware that certain things would have been premature had they been released at the height of the Cold War, not knowing the consequence, the psychological and certainly the sociological side.
Alan Steinfeld
So he was hired by the Air Force to look into the UFO phenomenon as it was happening in the 50s, right?
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
Correct.
Desiree Hurtak
Right. He started as an astrophysicist and then he moved into being an astronomer. And I think at that point, they were able to pick him up for government studies.
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
But then once he left that, he almost immediately started realizing, you know, that these things were real. There were a lot of events also coming out in the 60s and 70s that he personally investigated on his own, apart from Blue Book, cause that had already been closed. And he started realizing that these things were very valid. And then he started the Center for UFO Studies.
Desiree Hurtak
The J. Allen Hynek Center for UFO Studies in Chicago, which Jerome Clark and other good, sincere investigators continued. So we used to hang out at his house with he and his wife because we used to go through Chicago back in the 70s. And he was extremely open to, as Dr. Hurtak said, knowing that there was more to extraterrestrial phenomena than just the nuts and bolts. And I think that was, he was really one of those pioneers. And, you know, he was the consultant for Close Encounters of the Third Kind. In fact, he makes a cameo in the final scenes.
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
With all due respect to our time Alan, I did want to shift to another topic if we have a few minutes.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay, let me just set it up because the other part of your work is investigating ancient civilizations and how they connect to these extraterrestrial intelligences, and the other part of this program is also the second part of what you have to say, which is your investigations into archaeology and music. And those are also. So yes, please go into that. We have another ten minutes to cover that other area.
Desiree Hurtak
I just wanted to say that what we do is turn the Tree of Life upside down. Which means that when you look at extraterrestrials, you’re looking, many people think we evolved on this planet, and then these other intelligences also evolved on their planet, and maybe they’re coming by and visiting us. But that’s not the reality. But the reality is is there’s this cosmic citizenship, this cosmic brotherhoods and sisters of light in the sky, in the heavens, in the many levels, and that we have been down here for a while, really working upon ourselves. And now we’re making that reconnection. And one of the things that we think is helping us to make that connection is finding our past. Right. And as we find our past in things like the Great Pyramid, Pyramids of China, understanding even why the pyramid is such a significant symbol throughout the world, because they never those people supposedly never forget where they came from. It’s only recently that we forgot our connection to the rest of the galaxy, and who we are as cosmic brothers.
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
Exactly. So if you look at the pyramid, one of the key things is what we call, and the Keys of Enoch, the star shafts. And one side points to Orion, which has been popularized by Robert Bauval and Adrian Gilbert, Adrian being a good friend of ours. And the other side points to Alpha Draconis, which shows you the circumpolarity of our, in our sky. The whole planet just goes around this kind of north star and is kind of caught in this serpent type of energy. And so on one side is that, and the other side is Orion, which to us is the Lords of Light or the higher levels of intelligence, almost the super gateway to these greater realms. So with that said, of course what’s interesting is Zahi Hawass in the last 20 years has tried to put robots up some of these little star shafts and they’re very…
Alan Steinfeld
So Zahi Hawass is the Egyptian overseer of the Giza Plateau.
Desiree Hurtak
He is more than the Giza plateau. He started that way, but he became actually the head of the Antiquities Department throughout all of Egypt. So whether you’re talking about the Valley of the Kings or whether you’re talking about the western deserts, Zahi Hawass is the head of the Antiquities Department. So…
Alan Steinfeld
So recently he decided to investigate the air shafts in the Great Pyramid.
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
Yeah. We were there. He Zahi Hawass is head of the Supreme Council of Antiquities. And he is connected in so many ways with the leadership and the chain of command of all of the individual committees in both upper and lower Egypt. So he is the main point man or person of authority that has to look very carefully at all those proposals submitted by archaeological teams, etc.
Desiree Hurtak
So anyway, so as some of you know, back in the, I believe it was the 80s, Gantenbrink, which his name is Rudolf Gantenbrink, put this little robot to go up they know that the King’s Chamber star shafts go out and actually have no blockages all the way to the outside of the pyramid. But they-
Alan Steinfeld
Which is actually in ’93.
Desiree Hurtak
Oh okay, ’93. But the Queen’s Chamber star shafts which had some sort of blockage. So Rudolf Gantenbrink put a small little robot called the Upuaut up the South Star Shaft, which is supposedly pointing in the direction of Sirius, the star system. And it came to a little door that and we’re talking about in this little star shaft that are approximately 8.6 inches wide and high, they’re very, very, very small. And so this little robot went up quite a distance and found this little doorway with little copper handles. And it stopped. Then then some years later, Hawass tried it again and wanted to drill a little hole through that door to see what was on the other side. When he did that, there was another door. So he was stuck again.
Alan Steinfeld
Now 8 inches wide, you said these doors are?
Desiree Hurtak
Yeah, very, very small. So any announcement says that Zahi Hawass is going to try a third time with a new team. So this is going to be very, very exciting to go up probably both the shafts in the Queen’s Chamber.
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
And we’re talking about not a little ways, but over 214 feet going through a mountain of granite. The mass of which is over 13 square acres. So to put these small star shafts and to articulate them through the stones which are of tremendous tonnage in such a way as you would articulate the dials of a French watch or Swiss watch to point to a distant object, this being the Belt of Orion 1400 light years away requires a feat of imagination, mathematical skills and astronomical calculations that I feel would take about thirty Einsteins to put together. So this is the ground plan of the recent attempt now to probe where Gantenbrink and others left off in the 90s and the early part of the 21st century.
Alan Steinfeld
Well wait. If there’s doorways there in the star shaft, how do they know they point to these stars?
Desiree Hurtak
Well actually look as you can tell the alignment which is something like a 38-degree alignment upwards from the Queen’s Chamber. And it goes about 250 feet is what it would have to take to get all the way outside the pyramid. These little 8 inch cubes, so to speak, going 250 feet, you can imagine the ability to be able to engineer that so exactly that it points to serious, the star and the other one supposedly points to Ursa Minor. That shows you this immense knowledge in such a way that you would articulate the…
Alan Steinfeld
But it’s blocked about halfway up, is this blockage. But they do know because the King’s star shafts go all the way up, that the Queen’s probably most likely do as well.
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
And I ask the direct question, Desiree, on what we should tell the audience is we were there in ’77 with gas lasers looking from the outside down some of the chamber openings. The star shafts were measured or calculated and we brought about this in 1973, 20 years before Robert Bauval. So Adrian Gilbert has a sense of why we have been very interested in this subject.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. So you think that’s pointing to the origin of some kind of consciousness? Or why do you think these shafts point to Orion?
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
Because that’s the big bang. That’s the quite amazing revelations in Egypt.
Alan Steinfeld
Wait, wait. But before we get there, I just want to sort of wrap up the fact that I mentioned J. Allen Hynek was because he really represents the quintessential place that we have to come to as a government and a collective conscious shifting to a higher level of consciousness. You know, with personal experience. I think it takes personal experiences to really make a shift in consciousness. I think that’s one of the things you can’t, we can’t expect people to just believe without having an experience. And he was actually able to go before the United Nations General Assembly with Claude Poher, who was a French scientist, and really talk about the importance of these things. They had gotten Sir Eric Gairy, who was an ambassador to the United Nations or connected with one of the island nations of the Caribbean, to sponsor them. And they talked to Kurt Waldheim at the time and tried to get the United Nations more involved. But of course, it didn’t go that far, but it made a big stance in the UFO community. Right. But it still gets ignored. Now, even though it was a big splash, now it’s still not being acknowledged. You see Alan and the audience that’s listening to this program, it’s not physical data. You can have tons and tons of physical data from every government in the world, but if you don’t go through a consciousness transformation and see that the human race is but just one branch of a very large tree of knowledge, a galactic tree of creation, and understand the deeper significance of why we are in this body of three-dimensionality, to learn the lessons of love and dedication to all members of the human race and understand the growing and learning process is not simply the purely scientific, but it also is the psychological, it also is the spiritual, the biophysical, the paraphysical. Unless you see all of these put together, then you have data without interpretation, without experience. And this is again why it’s so important, why we have the Academy for Future Science to bring out the tonalities, the sounds that we have had in our experiences with the ultraterrestrial categories of intelligence. Those sounds, those vibrations also were shared with many of the Indian shamans in the Amazon and Africa and other parts of the world. So there are key areas here of music, and musicology, acoustics and physics that are also important. And also what we do is we take the Tree of Life and turn it upside down, which means that when you look at extraterrestrials, you’re looking, many people think we evolved on this planet, and then these other intelligences also evolved on their planet, and maybe they’re coming by and visiting us. But that’s not the reality. But the reality is is there’s this cosmic citizenship, this cosmic brotherhoods and sisters of light in the sky, in the heavens, in the many levels, and that we have been down here for a while, really working upon ourselves. And now we’re making that reconnection. And one of the things that we think is helping us to make that connection is finding our past. Right. And as we find our past in things like the Great Pyramid, Pyramids of China, understanding even why the pyramid is such a significant symbol throughout the world, because they never those people supposedly never forget where they came from. It’s only recently that we forgot our connection to the rest of the galaxy, and who we are as cosmic brothers. Exactly. So if you look at the pyramid, one of the key things is what we call, and the Keys of Enoch, the star shafts. And one side points to Orion, which has been popularized by Robert Bauval and Adrian Gilbert, Adrian being a good friend of ours. And the other side points to Alpha Draconis, which shows you the circumpolarity of our, in our sky. The whole planet just goes around this kind of north star and is kind of caught in this serpent type of energy. And so on one side is that, and the other side is Orion, which to us is the Lords of Light or the higher levels of intelligence, almost the super gateway to these greater realms. So with that said, of course what’s interesting is Zahi Hawass in the last 20 years has tried to put robots up some of these little star shafts and they’re very… So Zahi Hawass is the Egyptian overseer of the Giza Plateau. He is more than the Giza plateau. He started that way, but he became actually the head of the Antiquities Department throughout all of Egypt. So whether you’re talking about the Valley of the Kings or whether you’re talking about the western deserts, Zahi Hawass is the head of the Antiquities Department. So… So recently he decided to investigate the air shafts in the Great Pyramid. Yeah. We were there. He Zahi Hawass is head of the Supreme Council of Antiquities. And he is connected in so many ways with the leadership and the chain of command of all of the individual committees in both upper and lower Egypt. So he is the main point man or person of authority that has to look very carefully at all those proposals submitted by archaeological teams, etc. So anyway, so as some of you know, back in the, I believe it was the 80s, Gantenbrink, which his name is Rudolf Gantenbrink, put this little robot to go up they know that the King’s Chamber star shafts go out and actually have no blockages all the way to the outside of the pyramid. But they- Which is actually in ’93. Oh okay, ’93. But the Queen’s Chamber star shafts which had some sort of blockage. So Rudolf Gantenbrink put a small little robot called the Upuaut up the South Star Shaft, which is supposedly pointing in the direction of Sirius, the star system. And it came to a little door that and we’re talking about in this little star shaft that are approximately 8.6 inches wide and high, they’re very, very, very small. And so this little robot went up quite a distance and found this little doorway with little copper handles. And it stopped. Then then some years later, Hawass tried it again and wanted to drill a little hole through that door to see what was on the other side. When he did that, there was another door. So he was stuck again. Now 8 inches wide, you said these doors are? Yeah, very, very small. So any announcement says that Zahi Hawass is going to try a third time with a new team. So this is going to be very, very exciting to go up probably both the shafts in the Queen’s Chamber. And we’re talking about not a little ways, but over 214 feet going through a mountain of granite. The mass of which is over 13 square acres. So to put these small star shafts and to articulate them through the stones which are of tremendous tonnage in such a way as you would articulate the dials of a French watch or Swiss watch to point to a distant object, this being the Belt of Orion 1400 light years away requires a feat of imagination, mathematical skills and astronomical calculations that I feel would take about thirty Einsteins to put together. So this is the ground plan of the recent attempt now to probe where Gantenbrink and others left off in the 90s and the early part of the 21st century. Well wait. If there’s doorways there in the star shaft, how do they know they point to these stars? Well actually look as you can tell the alignment which is something like a 38-degree alignment upwards from the Queen’s Chamber. And it goes about 250 feet is what it would have to take to get all the way outside the pyramid. These little 8 inch cubes, so to speak, going 250 feet, you can imagine the ability to be able to engineer that so exactly that it points to serious, the star and the other one supposedly points to Ursa Minor. That shows you this immense knowledge in such a way that you would articulate the… But it’s blocked about halfway up, is this blockage. But they do know because the King’s star shafts go all the way up, that the Queen’s probably most likely do as well. And I ask the direct question, Desiree, on what we should tell the audience is we were there in ’77 with gas lasers looking from the outside down some of the chamber openings. The star shafts were measured or calculated and we brought about this in 1973, 20 years before Robert Bauval. So Adrian Gilbert has a sense of why we have been very interested in this subject. Right. So you think that’s pointing to the origin of some kind of consciousness? Or why do you think these shafts point to Orion? Because that’s the big bang. That’s the quite amazing revelations in Egypt. Wait, wait. But before we get there, I just want to sort of wrap up the fact that I mentioned J. Allen Hynek was because he really represents the quintessential place that we have to come to as a government and a collective conscious shifting to a higher level of consciousness. You know, with personal experience. I think it takes personal experiences to really make a shift in consciousness. I think that’s one of the things you can’t, we can’t expect people to just believe without having an experience. Right. And he was actually able to go before the United Nations General Assembly with Claude Poher, who was a French scientist, and really talk about the importance of these things. They had gotten Sir Eric Gairy, who was an ambassador to the United Nations or connected with one of the island nations of the Caribbean, to sponsor them. And they talked to Kurt Waldheim at the time and tried to get the United Nations more involved. But of course, it didn’t go that far, but it made a big stance in the UFO community. Right. But it still gets ignored. Now, even though it was a big splash, now it’s still not being acknowledged. You see Alan and the audience that’s listening to this program, it’s not physical data. You can have tons and tons of physical data from every government in the world, but if you don’t go through a consciousness transformation and see that the human race is but just one branch of a very large tree of knowledge, a galactic tree of creation, and understand the deeper significance of why we are in this body of three-dimensionality, to learn the lessons of love and dedication to all members of the human race and understand the growing and learning process is not simply the purely scientific, but it also is the psychological, it also is the spiritual, the biophysical, the paraphysical. Unless you see all of these put together, then you have data without interpretation, without experience. And this is again why it’s so important, why we have the Academy for Future Science to bring out the tonalities, the sounds that we have had in our experiences with the ultraterrestrial categories of intelligence. Those sounds, those vibrations also were shared with many of the Indian shamans in the Amazon and Africa and other parts of the world. So there are key areas here of music, and musicology, acoustics and physics that are also important. Right. But before we get to the music because I want to get to it in just a minute. To me, it is the actual fact that the French government’s released 1,600 files to the internet that’s going to initiate a lot more openness and people questioning and governments being somewhat forced to sort of recognize that this is a reality. And so what do you think the next step is going to be in an official capacity if that will happen to bring this to the public eye?
Desiree Hurtak
Well, we actually hope people look at these files, and that people demand more openness within their own governments. The US government still claims that UFO studies ended with Project Blue Book. They refuse to, in a sense, address a lot of the phenomena going on. Although I must say personally, we don’t think a lot of the stuff that’s happening currently is necessarily extraterrestrial. The intelligence community in our own country, whether you’re talking about the NSA, the CIA, or military branches and other black op branches, there’s quite a lot going on up in the skies as we all well know.
Alan Steinfeld
We’ve created our own UFO phenomena basically.
Desiree Hurtak
Exactly. Some people say since 1954 we have. And some people have connected, you know, say it’s some sort of back engineering. We kind of question a little bit of back engineering but you know whatever it is, I mean maybe they were able to pull up bits and pieces and and actually get to the level we are. There’s so much science that they haven’t released to the public anyway, you know. I mean we’re using fossil fuel where we know that there’s better technology.
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
Or it could simply be the work of genius scientists who have gone into the higher categories or models of understanding dealing with astrophysics, electromagnetism and different ways to utilize fields. The point being that what we’re looking at here is a gradual process by people like the French bringing out the actual data. Having other scientists who are part of that particular culture saying, look, we stand behind the documents. You, you, meaning public scientists from the United States or England or parts of the world, we ask you to look closely, not as an arrogant skeptic. Don’t be a skeptic where you don’t evaluate. You don’t have the experience, therefore everything is hogwash. Everything is meaningless. Now we’re asking for a new sociological attitude. A new psychological opening that allows humanity to sort of see outside the box of the normal realities that they are indoctrinated through university programs into accepting.
Alan Steinfeld
But what did the French scientists actually say about the data? I mean, are they just publishing to say here it is, whatever you make of it. Are they actually commenting from their perspective?
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
Yes. Well, there’s an actual book that was put out several years back called the COMETA Report, C-O-M-E-T-A, and a general of the French Air Force basically wrote the introduction, the compendium to it. It says that humanity has to wake up. These realities are surrounding our planet. They come from higher evolution. And some cases they come from different parts of our galaxy, possibly other galaxies. That we need to be prepared, that our traditional viewpoints of who we are, a singular humanity surrounded by a meaningless mechanistic universe, are really a mythology of sort of academic ignorance. In a very strong and very profound way saying, look folks, let’s get together, these are facts that we present our own authorities standing behind it.
Alan Steinfeld
Wow. That is phenomenal right there, that the French head of the military, French Air Force, actually put his name to a report basically acknowledging these things as a reality.
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
As well as generals behind him and others connected. With NASA.
Desiree Hurtak
And with NASA equivalents in France.
Alan Steinfeld
So it’s true to me like an individual who’s ignored something going on within them, that this is the planet as a kind of organism that’s been ignoring the truth of what its, of what reality holds for it.
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
Well stated, Alan. We can be looking at physical documents all of our lives. Right now we probably have well over ten thousand documents. Right. So physical proof. And they show events, not all of them, but clearly maybe 20 to 25% of the hardcore physical and biological events dealing with abductions, dealing with interference with commercial flights and interference with military operations. Unless we connect the dots and realize there’s an ongoing, more massive presence of intelligence surrounding our planet, that represents not just the extraterrestrial from the next star system, but the ultraterrestrial, the angelic, and the angelic are not necessarily those with wings.
Alan Steinfeld
But some with horns probably, right?
Desiree Hurtak
Well they’re of intelligence. When we go to the extraterrestrial levels, the physical level, yes, there is conflict out in space, there is good and evil so to speak, but to just go out blindly, the way that we’re talking about with Star Wars, weapons and things like that really limits the mind of the general public when we realize we should come across as spiritual emissaries because the higher intelligence up there is spiritual.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah. But you know, my intuition about it is when we change, as a people change their orientation towards it, then all that reality will show itself to us. But right now we’re just ignoring it. It’s almost the classic psychological reality. But when we accept it and bring down the walls…
Desiree Hurtak
I completely agree with that, when we recognize that all this exists, I think they say it’s over 40% of standard Americans, and it’s probably true in Europe as well, recognize right now that there is an extra potential or a life in space, not just, you know, little amebas.
Alan Steinfeld
But recognize there’s a higher intelligence interacting with us, it seems there’s going to be an overt revelation to us.
Desiree Hurtak
It could happen very soon. I mean, we’re talking about possibly within our lifetimes.
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
I’d like to put out that there have been overt manifestations in Mexico.
Desiree Hurtak
With the eclipse.
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
Throughout South and Central America, even Africa and Europe. We look mainly from an American Anglo-Saxon perspective, sort of an egocentric reality of science that says, if we don’t stamp or authenticate this as real, then there’s no meaning for the rest of humanity to believe.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. Mexico’s had phenomenal sightings.
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
Exactly. But we have to realize is that truth speaks directly to individual mindsets. And some of those individuals in Mexico who are not scientists are better believers of a more fantastic cosmology.
Desiree Hurtak
And actually the government in Mexico had military planes and they did not shoot them out, they shot it out to their media there first, and then to us second.
Alan Steinfeld
And what did they show on their media in Mexico?
Desiree Hurtak
These objects, they looked quite a bit like plasmas, but they were in the sky and they were seen from their infrared cameras flying over Mexico.
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
The fact is these objects flew along and parallel the airplanes. The military acknowledged that the airplanes were flying at such a massive speed that they could not match, basically, the speed of these plasmas and to a certain point these plasmas flew into a formation, broke ranks and then flew in totally different directions, indicating a superior non-human intelligence making maneuvers, playing essentially what some of the pilots refer to in a sort of cat and mouse game. The importance is that not only do we have this, we have radar confirmation, we have a multi-centered tracking operation confirming the event. We had events over Washington DC that the late author… In ’52. Showed in ’52. So we’re dealing basically with events going all the way from the early 50s up into the 21st century.
Alan Steinfeld
Well that’s exactly to what I think what this is pointing, what to your second part of what you talk about all the time is this connection with these star shafts and to this ancient civilization, what we’ve seen from all the signs here is a kind of intervention, wouldn’t you say, going on on this planet?
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
Very definitively, in connection with the Great Pyramid and the fact that we can say yes, 1400 light years away, the star shafts in a major complex of the Giza Plateau point to a specific astronomical object or what we call to the Keys of Enoch that Orion and the Pleiades define an important central zone or corridor to understand not just consciousness, but to understand our ultimate blueprint of evolutionary intelligence.
Desiree Hurtak
So it shows that people were, that we have an inheritance of this massive intelligence on this planet, but we had to grow out.
Alan Steinfeld
Well wait. Did they, were we put back into a, were we knocked back a couple of octaves, and so we have this ancient remembrance of who we are basically, but they have somehow pointed the way back to ourselves through the physical structures that were set upon the earth?
Desiree Hurtak
Yes, actually that is true. And it wasn’t only that we lost our way. First of all, maybe people know this but maybe they don’t. At the time when all the the planets so to speak die, or stars explode.
Alan Steinfeld
Uh huh.
Desiree Hurtak
There are actually times when they have found massive life forms to be evacuated.
Alan Steinfeld
You mean other planets.
Desiree Hurtak
Other planets.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh.
Desiree Hurtak
And so, in a sense, they feel, as we do, when we read ancient documents that people came down from the heavens and repopulated things.
Alan Steinfeld
Well the ancient Egyptians always point, well a lot of them say they came from Sirius.
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
Exactly. Let me read to you from early Egyptian text, we were made the words of the gods who came from the region of Orion and Sirius. It goes on to say from the original creator Atum who is the creator. In other words, there’s a higher spiritual force that has generated these different gods or lords, higher intelligences to interact with humanity in giving the seeds of what I call civilization giving language architecture metallurgy astronomy agriculture giving the basic components. But then there’s an entropic decay taking place. But at this time of human history we feel there will be another major injection of these spiritual and philosophical dimensions of intelligence giving humanity the keys back to finding our original purpose. And I think that’s why we have to shift the topic into this music because music seems to be one of the universal keys of resonance of finding the universal language. And we want to do a seminar actually or we actually recorded several pieces with an Indian shaman down in Brazil who gave to us an understanding of languages of light and geometries. His name is Chief Uru-eu-wau-wau and we have this right now as a musical CD which we’ll be presenting as part of our conference with you Alan in New York. We feel this corresponds to exactly what Dr. Hurtak has said with the new psychology needing a new dimension of not simply words but inner geometries, fractals coming through multi-level dimensions.
Alan Steinfeld
I completely agree because music is the bridge between this conscious rational world to the unconscious trans-rational worlds. And that’s what we need in order to bridge our understanding so to go beyond our rational minds to connect to higher minds. I think it is sound, it is vibration as you both have so beautifully talked about. So we will be presenting an evening in New York, and that will be at the New Yorker Hotel. The exact date still has to be worked out, but we are looking at something to really help people reach this level of understanding with music, with the latest investigation of both the inner structures of the planet, Egypt mainly, and the structures of outside and the extraterrestrials that are approaching the planet at this time.
Desiree Hurtak
And I’d like to just interject that we all also be dealing with a little bit of archaeology because we are hoping that the recent Zahi Hawass announcement regarding the second robot going up or actual 3rd robot going up the South Star Shaft of the Queen’s Chamber will take place. And when that takes place, of course, there’s going to be a lot of talk about what they found. Do they find records on the other side? Do they just find more doorways? Because the Egyptians love making a sort of matrix in terms of geometry.
Alan Steinfeld
What do you think they’re going to find in that chamber? What’s your intuition tell you? Or what have your studies taught you?
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
We believe they will find the geometry or architecture of other pyramidal-like objects signifying other planetary places. Because again, to go 214 feet with the dial points in the direction to Sirius taking to mind or taking to consideration what was in front of those, whether there would be small statues, or whether there would be small models of higher technology representing the time that extraterrestrial consciousness was here. We do not know. But clearly the geometry itself is highly significant and may speak volumes.
Desiree Hurtak
And I just want to add, not that we don’t believe that they’ll find physical evidence. We’ve been working with a lot of people in Brazil right now who supposedly have found some underground structures. You know, these things do exist. There is physical reality to them.
Alan Steinfeld
You think there’s physical structures that people haven’t uncovered yet?
Desiree Hurtak
Yeah, exactly. In fact, people in Mexico right now think they’ve un-, found some physical structures.
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
So I want to wrap all these threads up before we end our time to say the French government is releasing the physical documents for the physical, extra-physical dimensions to say they are a higher manifestation. And we have to also interpret the fact that the Egyptians had given us a stone computer, a pyramidal mathematical monument which continues to be prodded to find its innermost secrets that say basically what Dr. Hurtak’s thesis is, the extraterrestrial or spiritual dimension is pointing the way beyond our planet. At the same time we have sound, music and linguistics that seem to connect up cross-culturally with higher forms of consciousness that points essentially to the future as being our destiny out there and not down here locked in a very petty level of three-dimensional conflict.
Alan Steinfeld
Thank you. That is beautiful. What you have to say really hits all notes of people’s, and hopefully hits people in places where they can wake up to this kind of cosmic inheritance that we all kind of have if we just choose to recognize it. Thank you so much for being here. In closing I just want to have you tell people if there are any of your books, like you mentioned The Keys of Enoch. There’s some other recent books that people should be aware of, of yours. Can you just mention those right now?
Dr. J.J. Hurtak
We have The End of Suffering, written with my colleague from UCLA, Dr. Russell Targ, an eminent laser physicist. And my wife and I wrote The Gospel of Mary Magdalene, which deals with exactly what the movie The Secret was trying to put over, but doing it in a more philosophical and spiritual dimension of positive thought form.
Alan Steinfeld
Thank you both. I’m just about out of time. I’ve been talking to Dr. Hurtak and Desiree Hurtak, the founders of the Academy for Future Science. Just give your website before we leave.
Desiree Hurtak
We have keysofenoch.org and futurescience.org.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay. Thank you. I’m just going to just say goodbye to this program. Thank you both very much. I love the stuff you’ve touched upon and it’s stuff we will continue on other shows with these guests and with other guests in the field of ancient civilizations and UFOs and alternative consciousness and how we are evolving as a spiritual race on the planet. My name is Alan Steinfeld and this is New Realities. And if you have any questions, please email me at newrealities at earthlink.net. I’ll be on every Sunday on this internet radio station, every Sunday at 9:30. I welcome your comments, I’ll read the comments on the air. If you have any questions, please call me. I’m going to end with this song by Duke Williams and the Extremes, which is a song which is about some of the some of the topics we’ve talked about on this program. Thank you for listening.