New Realities recorded on August 18, 2009
Summary
Alan Steinfeld interviews Rebecca Hardcastle, a pioneer in the study of paranormal experiences and ‘exoconsciousness.’ They discuss the shifting global perspective on extraterrestrial contact, the role of consciousness in experiencing multidimensional realities, and the neurological impact of trauma from ET encounters. Hardcastle introduces the concept of healing trauma through physical mechanisms like shaking and emphasizes the need to integrate our extraterrestrial origins to evolve into a galactic civilization. The conversation also touches on alternative realities, the role of artists in shaping culture, and the extraterrestrial roots of religious phenomena.
Transcript
Alan Steinfeld
Welcome to New Realities. My name is Alan Steinfeld, and each week I present this program on an emerging culture of consciousness, I would say, and a work in progress as we evolve towards a greater sense of ourselves. And tonight’s guest is someone very much, I feel, involved in this movement of consciousness, especially as it relates to what we’ll be talking about, exoconsciousness. Tonight’s guest is Rebecca Hardcastle. She’s a pioneer in paranormal experience and research, and she specializes in exoconsciousness, a word that she coined. And we’ll be talking about ET intelligences, origins, dimensions, and our abilities as human beings to expand to who we are. Well, Rebecca, thank you for being here tonight.
Rebecca Hardcastle
Thank you, Alan, and hello to all your listeners.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, you know, last night I was in the middle of New York City and in this park called Bryant Park and we were watching Close Encounters in front of 10,000 people on this lawn. It was really fun. And so, and then also today or this week, the British Ministry of Defense just released their some of their top rated information on UFOs. Did you hear about that?
Rebecca Hardcastle
I heard about that and also on BBC, I believe there was a a breakfast morning kind of today or tomorrow show morning show and there was an ET sighting during the show.
Alan Steinfeld
Really? So UFO sighting, I shouldn’t say… Well maybe they will cite some ETs. But maybe everything is changing because it seems like I met you recently at the Exo conference, Exo Politics conference. So do you think the American public and the world public are getting ready for our interactions with these beings?
Rebecca Hardcastle
I think that there has been a massive acclimatizing of Americans and on a planetary wide scale also, of getting us ready for contact. And it’s been growing with great acceleration, especially over the past year, I believe. And it’s going to continue to accelerate.
Alan Steinfeld
I mean, is it about getting us ready for… I mean, Stephen Bassett, the head of that conference we were at, makes a distinction between disclosure and contact, right? Disclosure is what the government has and top secret and contact is when the ETs sort of come forward and say, Hey guys, we’re here. So I guess it’s happening on both ends, it seems like to me, right?
Rebecca Hardcastle
Well, it has to happen simultaneously. And I think if you think back, if you look back to the Brookings Institute back in the 60s, after Roswell in the late 40s, Brookings came out and said that religion was going to have such a difficult time integrating extraterrestrial visitation and contact. And subsequent thinkers have said that no, it’s going to be the scientists that have such a difficult time with contact. And I think all that’s been set aside because every institution is dealing with this subject very proactively now. And it’s shifting all the parameters of what we know to be true, not only about our institutions on Earth, but also about ourselves as humans. And that’s one of the reasons that I got so involved with the exoconsciousness. It seemed like that was the particular piece that called me. How are we as individuals changing in all this? And therefore, how are we going to change the institutions of Earth?
Alan Steinfeld
Well, exactly. I think consciousness is very much involved with the subject. You know, it’s sort of, you know, the mind in the early 20th century, Freud and all those people took into account this idea of the mind, but when we say consciousness, we’re actually including something bigger than the mind, bigger than the hardware of the brain. I mean, consciousness is, it depends on how you look at the universe, but it’s sort of like the source of all things. I mean, how would you define consciousness?
Rebecca Hardcastle
I would define it in very similar manners. There’s David Chalmers, who’s one of the outstanding 20th and also 21st century philosophers, talks about the fact that consciousness is literally a property of our reality. That everything participates in this property of consciousness, which goes to all living things. And I think as we learn that in terms of quantum physics that everything is energy and information, everything comes alive and has an aliveness to it. And we we begin to think on a quantum level in much the same way that our Native American ancestors or indigenous people have always viewed the Earth as alive and conscious, and also the universe. And I would also say what’s happening in terms of disclosure that Barbara Hand Clow, the famous Mayan thinker… She talks about the fact that from 2009 to 2011, we are literally going to be waking up as a galactic civilization worldwide, planetary-wide. That we will begin to see ourselves as a universal society in space.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I ordered, I do think whatever happens in 2012, the focus on it is our relationship to the galaxy. So whether or not anything happens, it’s changing the fact that we live in a world that is related to a galaxy. So in that sense, I think we are becoming galactic in our awareness.
Rebecca Hardcastle
Absolutely.
Alan Steinfeld
And I think the other thing that’s so important in your work is how we understand the UFO phenomenon. So when I saw Close Encounters last night, I felt, well, they got some of it, the superficial part, but it really is a change in the way we are thinking about ourselves. It’s a thought. I described consciousness more as a medium as a sea of awareness. And we, and a matter out had ET experiences and they do not exist in the same realm as ordinary consciousness. There’s a non-ordinary quality to ET interactions. I think that’s something, well we should talk about, but also make people aware of. Do you agree with that?
Rebecca Hardcastle
Oh, I agree with it. Linda Moulton Howe, probably somebody before her, coined that term about the paranormal and they call it the high strangeness. Once you’ve had contact, then you begin to look at life in high strangeness. It’s interesting. I was reading the press release from ABC with talking about Stan Romanek and being on Primetime Live, and he was talking about the fact that all of the visitation that he had gone through, he felt literally according to the quotes of this article, so I don’t know what exactly was said in the whole context of the interview, but that he felt as though he was being chased by ETs.
Alan Steinfeld
Is that going to be on tonight, that Stan Romanek interview?
Rebecca Hardcastle
I think it’s on tonight. Yeah, I think it’s on tonight. And I think you know, when you look at whether or not you as an experiencer and me as an experiencer, you know, how what I’m interested in an exoconsciousness is how do we begin to integrate that experience into our lives where it begins to have meaning and benefits to us. And one of the things that I’ve dealt with more than anything is to look at how we filter ET contact through the filter of trauma.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. Well, it is traumatic when you’re confronted with… when you’re confronted with something… it’s traumatic. Our culture treats everything that way, unfortunately.
Rebecca Hardcastle
Well, well, I think that’s part of what exoconsciousness is about, in my opinion, is understanding that other realms of realities, and that’s why I call this show new realities, is that we exist as multidimensional beings on other states of awareness.
Alan Steinfeld
And we also exist not only with a bipolar brain, but we also exist with a unified brain. And that is what I believe that humans are moving towards. As we learn more about trauma, as we learn what actually happens with people who are traumatized… I’ve been really fortunate to be here in Phoenix with where three leading traumatologists are doing their work. And I’ve worked some with them and just learned an amazing amount of what happens to us neurologically when we’re traumatized. It could be by… Well, tell me about that because I’m actually researching what happens when people are particularly traumatized by an ET encounter. What happens to them? Well, it’s not just ET encounters. It’s any kind of abuse that we come through in life and experience. It literally scars our brain.
Rebecca Hardcastle
And what Dr. Robert Scaer is one of the primary traumatologists…
Alan Steinfeld
What’s his name? Robert what?
Rebecca Hardcastle
This is funny. His last name is Scaer.
Alan Steinfeld
That’s a great name for a traumatologist.
Rebecca Hardcastle
I know. S-C-A-E-R, I believe.
Alan Steinfeld
S-C-A-E-R. That’s a… I know. Don’t you love the names life gives us?
Rebecca Hardcastle
I guess. I’m glad that’s not my name. But anyway, what does he say? Well, he believes that all psychopathology and disease is literally rooted in the scars on our brain.
Alan Steinfeld
Do you mean it physically scars the tissue of the brain?
Rebecca Hardcastle
Yes. Neurologically, physically scars. And so unfortunately, our ancestors, including John Mack when he was working with experiencers, just about the only thing that you had to deal with in terms of the scarring… and John Mack called it fencing the fear… Some of the only things that you had to deal with were talk therapy or just kind of some kind of spirituality, like going…
Alan Steinfeld
Well, there’s hypnotherapy, though, too. The hypnosis…
Rebecca Hardcastle
And there is, and there is hypnotherapy. And today, we are finding that there’s amazing 21st century technology that can overlay our brains and actually help us either dissolve those scars, which I do a lot with clients and hypnotherapy, but it also allows us, if the scars don’t dissolve, we can then make a new neural pathway.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, how, what happens when the scars dissolve and what happens to the experience, is it integrated?
Rebecca Hardcastle
You dissolve it and let it go. And you release it. It’s done. Because we’ve all been scarred by trauma in some way.
Alan Steinfeld
Absolutely. Literally, these scientists that are integrating technology and consciousness and science to to to research trauma, they can look at the scars on your brain that you have accumulated over your lifetime and they can tell you what kind of diseases you’re going to have.
Rebecca Hardcastle
Really? That’s amazing. So how do they repair scars? How do they do that? How do they heal that?
Alan Steinfeld
One of the ways that they’re they’re doing this repairing of scars is ironically through shaking. Shaking?
Rebecca Hardcastle
One of… Shaking. They found that through researching animals, Dr. Scaer primarily with polar bears, found out that if you keep a polar bear in captivity and imprison it and don’t allow it to shake, that that polar bear will not thrive. If you free that polar bear to shake after a trauma event, that polar bear will thrive and move through. And so David Berceli, who is here in Scottsdale also, in Phoenix, what he does is he he literally rents space and brings troops back from Afghanistan and Iraq and teaches them protocols to put their bodies in positions where they literally shake. And in a 21-day regime of shaking, they can start to break their post-traumatic stress trauma scars.
Alan Steinfeld
And then they don’t have to act it out. Is that what you’re saying?
Rebecca Hardcastle
They don’t have to act it out. That’s amazing. But getting back to like the topic of ETs, I think what is so traumatic for people is that they’re encountering a reality that doesn’t fit in with their worldview, what John Mack called ontological shock.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah. And if we could have more of an exo type consciousness where we know we’re galactic beings or part of this greater civilization, we wouldn’t be so shocked and traumatized.
Rebecca Hardcastle
Absolutely. And we, you know, movies come out from Hollywood like District 9, where, you know, there is a deeper message under District 9, but also the movie is full of trauma and fear, especially for that audience of adolescent age students and kids that go to see movies like that. I mean, it’s…
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, but how do we become more exoconscious? Because if you see an typical ET with the big eyes in front of them appear through the wall or through the window or your levitated out of your bedroom or out of your car, that’s just how they’ve been dealing with us and that is traumatic. I mean, how would one deal with it?
Rebecca Hardcastle
It’s traumatic until we learn how to calm ourselves down and understand that we are seeing this event through our trauma scars and through our fears. And once we get a unified, balanced brain and some knowledge about what some of these different species and extraterrestrial beings look like, it’s not such a scary thing. But the other part that I was getting to in the beginning is that there’s a shift in actually the way reality is cognized, has changed when you’re in the company of these beings. Do you know what I mean?
Alan Steinfeld
Absolutely. And that’s also hard for people to deal with.
Rebecca Hardcastle
Well, it’s also hard, I think, because science doesn’t deal with it either. Our science isn’t dealing with multi-dimensional reality or multiverses. Science is just now tiptoeing up on, you know, maybe there really wasn’t a Big Bang. If you think about Big Bang cosmological theory, I mean, that’s our theory of creation. What does that say to our culture? Trauma, war, violence, fear. I mean, the name itself.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, some of the scientists I’ve been interviewing, Nassim Haramein, do you know Nassim? He’s going to be on Coast to Coast tonight. He says it wasn’t a big bang. It’s an ongoing creation.
Rebecca Hardcastle
Ongoing gentle creation that we can…
Alan Steinfeld
Well, it’s not always gentle. There are some, like when things collide in space, it’s not always gentle. Birth isn’t always gentle, you know. I mean…
Rebecca Hardcastle
No, birth isn’t always gentle, but you don’t… it’s not always violent either. It’s not always traumatic. Yes. And so I think as scientists begin to, I know I went to a talk the other day here in Phoenix by Paul Davies, and he, at the very, very end of his talk, because he’s spent his entire academic career as a proponent of Big Bang. At the very end of his talk, he began to speak about the multiverse conception of cosmology and creation. And as our scientists begin to discuss that, then or ideas of a holographic universe or zero point energy and begin to understand black hole theory, then we as citizens of planet Earth get more comfortable with it. Also, there just seems to be a large confluence, like you say, of people coming together and figuring this out on many, many levels. And I completely agree with you that when you have contact, you learn to live and be and create alternative reality.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, they actually appear, I think, as a… as an effect of being… Like have you ever been in the presence of a really high spiritual teacher or like a high setup? Your mind changes. You’re picking… you’re in the field. It’s really field dynamic. So you’re in the field of these beings, and you start to have a clarity. But when you’re in the field of an ET, their world perception, their conception of reality is so different that I think you have to be very, very conscious in order to stay aware because it’ll warp, in a sense, this is my theory, the human perception, because their field is so much more dynamic and different and bizarre than anything we can conceive of. So…
Rebecca Hardcastle
I agree with that. But I also feel that humans, if you look at alternative forms of historical research, there’s a great possibility that humans were seeded on this Earth by several if not many extraterrestrial races. And if that is true, then we have within us the ability… a conscious ability and I believe that we have a DNA ability… to resonate to that field of energy that they’re in. And understand it and communicate.
Alan Steinfeld
I totally agree with you. And this is why your work is so important, but we have that ability, but it’s been so educated out of us from childhood. We’ve been taught to think this is reality. And… sometimes in presentations I do on perception, I show that video of the people playing basketball and this gorilla that walks through, and I say, just count the passes, and no one sees it. Because they haven’t been taught, no one told them to see that reality. And then when I point it out, people are shocked. And this is what’s happening all the time. So we have this ability, we have this innate ability, but we have been so conditioned by our education to be unaware of these levels of reality that do exist. You know, William James was into it in the early 1900s, you know, that statement he says that, you know, we are separated by conscious, by countless levels of alternate realities by, you know, all we have to do is think about it, and it’s there. I forget the exact quote, but he knows that it’s there at the slightest kind of turn of perception.
Rebecca Hardcastle
And also even more currently, the whole Jane Roberts, the material with Seth. And I mean, you look back at that and…
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, right, in the 70s and 60s.
Rebecca Hardcastle
Yes, he was very evolved. And you know who is also a great teacher in this is Jane Roberts the Seth books. I just read The Nature of the Psychic Nature of Reality. It really divides up how we, you know, this event, this waking event is only the result of countless worlds that we actually do exist in that come to us in dream states and all that. And I’m a true believer that because we can, as extraterrestrial hybrids or whatever you want to call human, that we are not only able to live in these different extraterrestrial realities and understand them at varying levels, but that we are also able because of how we’ve been constructed biologically and consciously, that we can start to create new realities that have probably never been lived in before. And I think that’s one of the things that planet Earth is moving to right now.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, let’s talk about that because that’s really the theme of the show that I’ve been doing for the last 10 years. How would we then create these new realities and what would they look like and what would they feel like? And how would…
Rebecca Hardcastle
I’m just such a strong proponent of this whole extraterrestrial reality possibility. One of the things that I was involved in was to be a co-founder of something called ET Vote Now. And we began to brainstorm, just as a group of people that were committed to their extraterrestrial hybrid nature, to saying that, you know, we have been, as Michael Salla has researched so intricately, we have probably been having treaties and diplomatic relations with our government and extraterrestrial races for since the early 50s.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, at least since 47. Yeah, yeah.
Rebecca Hardcastle
If that is true that we have had these formal relationships, then via the Eisenhower administration or whatever, that if that is true, then how do we then begin to create a new extraterrestrial reality where we have open diplomatic relations? Hi, Rebecca. Sorry about that. They just said you were a little low. But you were talking about bringing that into our extraterrestrial reality, right. And so I am a proponent of not only creating these forms of reality, but I am also living a committed life where I am on a personal level and a normal individual level, committing myself to what it means to be extraterrestrial. It doesn’t take very long, and I’m sure you’ve done this, to go through the material of contactees and supplementing it with what your own contact has been, to get a pretty clear theory and understanding and applicability to what it would mean if you were an extraterrestrial. You would have a balanced, unified brain.
Alan Steinfeld
Yes.
Rebecca Hardcastle
You would have all of the paranormal abilities would be completely normalized. Right?
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, absolutely.
Rebecca Hardcastle
You would be able to move energy in a very healthy, vibrant way, correct? That would mean that you would be accessible to all forms of healing. Okay, so you wouldn’t need anybody’s government health plan because you would be healing yourself. And furthermore, you would be living as a post-centenarian, if not into a lifespan of a millennium. So what has to happen for this kind of a shift in consciousness to take place? I think people have to be committed to it. I think just like with anything, if you intentionally believe that these are possible for you and live in those energies, that that comes to you. And I think that that’s bottom line what this whole shift is about, and that we are we are modeling these lifestyles for each other.
Alan Steinfeld
So we have to then start to educate people that this is a reality, this is the way of the future. We have to start to institute programs where people can have this as a practice almost, as a some kind of a… Yeah.
Rebecca Hardcastle
And I think it’s it’s gonna, it and I like the quote by John Lear where he said that, you know, there’s no spacecraft going to, there’s no mass landing going to take place anytime soon. You know, it’s all been orchestrated one contact at a time.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I do agree with that. I think there’s that poem by Emily Dickinson about “Dazzle gradually.” And I think it’s a doubt, you know…
Rebecca Hardcastle
Oh yeah, that’s beautiful. Yeah.
Alan Steinfeld
I think it’s a 2 or 300 year process that we’re in, that eventually it’s like, oh, of course. You know, it’s what Schopenhauer says, all new ideas, at first ignored, then ridiculed, then accepted as fact. So it’s like, that’s what we’re heading towards.
Rebecca Hardcastle
And I think the number one responsibility, I would say from an exoconsciousness point of view, is each individual needs to take hold of their own personal life. What kind of choices, lifestyle choices, mind choices, attitudinal choices, are they going to make every day of their life? And then what… what area does that relate to exoconsciousness? What like ordinary life decision would they have to make that will shift back?
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I think they very definitely need to look at their diet. I mean, that’s an easy one right there. They need to look at what they believe is possible in terms of changing and strengthening their DNA and transforming their DNA such that they live longer lives. I think how they look at the medical care complex, is it medicine, is it health, or are there other forms of healing that they might want to be participating in. And at some point, Alan, I would venture to say, and that time I believe is coming quite close, that there is a line of demarcation. And you either live in this advanced 21st century exoconscious reality or you don’t.
Rebecca Hardcastle
Well…
Alan Steinfeld
The other day I was watching… they had some people at the Iowa State Fair, and it was on CNN and they were talking about healthcare, and behind the camera were masses of people that were so overweight that they could barely walk.
Rebecca Hardcastle
That’s America. That’s shopping malls and…
Alan Steinfeld
And it is. And I’m thought, you know, what kind of choice every day is that about our diet, you know, whether it’s the movie Food, Inc. or whatever. At what point does the switch go on? And it doesn’t matter what the healthcare plan is anymore. What matters is the decisions that I make every day about my diet and my lifestyle and more most importantly probably the relationships that I have with other people. Are they based on trauma and the Big Bang or are they based on on love and affirmation and trust and and moral integrity?
Rebecca Hardcastle
Well, I really like the approach you’re taking to exoconsciousness because I mean that’s a sort of revelation for me. It’s not just about believing and knowing there’s extraterrestrials. Yeah, it’s not about standing outside and looking at the stars and seeing a UFO craft or reading the latest book that just got put out. It’s really about, you know, all those things I think are part of the consciousness awakening. But you come to some point in this field, and I’m sure you’ve been there just like I have. You come to a point in this awakening where you’ve read all the books, you know all these ideas, you’ve had the experiences, and now it’s time to implement them into your individual life. But we have, I know I have, I am very conscious of what I put into my body, of the environment, with connection to the Earth, and so are you, I’m sure.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, absolutely. And I think that as we as an exoconscious race evolve, that literally, when people start telling secrets or being abusive or going into some kind of trickster mode, you get it right away. It’s very obvious to you. But something has to happen collectively. I feel like we’re still this side of of of exoconsciousness. We’re still on the kind of very limited way. I mean, you can’t even mention ETs without getting some kind of snicker. Um, but it’s changing, but we’re still… I feel like, of course, it starts with a personal self, but I feel like there’s more we maybe we need to form national committees or something, get it in the Congress or… I don’t know, I feel there’s more we can do.
Rebecca Hardcastle
I completely agree with that. And I’ve always been, I mean throughout my life, I’ve been a political advocate and um, and you know, I believe that exopolitics is a movement as well as an education, as well as exoconsciousness I believe is a lifestyle. And I think all of those are important. And each daily there’s just a flooding of information that affirms exoconsciousness and exopolitics. I mean, could we ask for a better moment in history?
Alan Steinfeld
No, this is the moment. This is the turning point in our historic record. And it’s very exciting. This is the moment. We are being flooded literally flooded every day with information and experiences. Well, I think it’s actually going to be an exoculture. That’s a something I came up with at the last Exo Politics conference. So we’re moving into an exoculture where we’ll have this civilization that expresses its art as an exo-relationship. You know what I mean?
Rebecca Hardcastle
I think artists personally are probably one of the pivotal groups. And that’s why I love when Stephen Bassett does the X-Conference in DC. He always features artists and how artists are integrating and representing the extraterrestrial experience. And the artists that that you know, I mean, I think that artists are and probably poets are the people who are giving us the peaceful and evolved ways to begin to see ourselves as extraterrestrial and exoconscious.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, arts have always been at the forefront of change and transition and new realities. Ezra Pound said that the artist is the antenna of the race. So they pick up new ideas, new information, and they bring it into a form that other people can then recognize what the artist has cognized. That’s my theory of art and creation. And whether it’s, you know, what we’re going to look like as a hybrid extraterrestrial race in the future, because Alan, you know, if we begin to make these exoconscious choices about what we put in our minds and what we put in our bodies and what we put in our hearts and how we behave towards each other, the look of humans is going to change. We’re going to look different.
Rebecca Hardcastle
Well, I think we are looking different. But the other side of that that I think, especially with the Greys, is that the Greys are also here to get some human consciousness. They’re here to they’re here and they are abducting people. I want taking genetics because they need to feel what it is to have compassion and love and desire. And I think that’s our part in this vast galactic cultural exchange program that’s going on.
Alan Steinfeld
And I also think that Greys, and you know, whatever races were involved in that have also taught us in terms of harvesting DNA and cloning and fertility treatments and I mean, if you look at how women are having babies today, that’s…
Rebecca Hardcastle
You mean more consciously?
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, that we are consciously becoming extraterrestrial. If you look at almost every segment of our society, whether it’s physics and looking towards zero point energy, like in the work I do with Edgar Mitchell, or if it’s medicine and doing cloning and fertility treatments and test tube babies. I mean, all of those speak of our extraterrestrial nature.
Rebecca Hardcastle
Well, let’s talk a little bit about the work with Edgar Mitchell and the search for zero point energy. Do you know what Hal Puthoff is doing at the Austin Research Institute?
Alan Steinfeld
You know, I really haven’t followed Hal so much. I think our group works primarily… I, we do work some with Hal, but it’s primarily been with Bernie Haisch.
Rebecca Hardcastle
Oh, Bernie Haisch. Well, tell me what you’re doing. You’re looking to find energy from the vacuum? Is that what you’re doing with Edgar Mitchell?
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, doing zero point energy and trying to make it applicable then toward automobiles, rocket ships and airplanes. In other words, how to get off oil.
Rebecca Hardcastle
Well, you have to look at the work of Nassim Haramein. He knows how to make mini black holes that generate a huge amount of energy. I mean this is serious physics here, these little neutrinos and all that.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I really am so hopeful about some of this really highly specialized scientific research that’s going on and I believe personally in my heart that all that is being aided by our extraterrestrial nature. I mean, it’s no mistake that Edgar Mitchell and the father of American rocketry Goddard both lived in Roswell, New Mexico.
Rebecca Hardcastle
Well, I do think so. Down the street from each other.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. Well, I’m gonna send you some information about some of that. I think you should tap into it. I would love to read that. Thank you. It’s amazing stuff because we have that technology, it’s here, and I’ve seen proof of it, and it is part of what runs the cosmos. I think all civilizations, as they reach a state of maturity, realize zero point energy.
Rebecca Hardcastle
And I think that that whole… all the black hole research that we’re doing also is we are on the threshold, I believe, of discovery as to the questions that we’ve had for ever since, you know, perhaps mankind of our history has walked the Earth, in terms of what happens after death. And I think a lot of those answers are going to be filtered through and understood through black hole technology and zero point energy.
Alan Steinfeld
You mean the evidence of spirit? That there is a soul that lives on?
Rebecca Hardcastle
Yeah, that there is spirit. Yeah. And how does that relate to black holes?
Alan Steinfeld
I think that that research is so integral in any kind of afterlife research.
Rebecca Hardcastle
But how do black holes have a spiritual… But where does a black hole like physics come into a spiritual understanding? That’s what I’m interested in.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, some physicists are actually looking at that, at what what actually happens on the perimeter of a black hole as it forms and looking at that in terms of life after death. Oh, I see. And scientific things that are happening with, you know, our research. And because, I mean, black holes started out as being, you know, the eternal vacuum that was going to traumatize all of us and suck us down. Right. And now, you know, just in a few in a few years, the science has radically changed in that. I think science and spirituality are merging rapidly.
Rebecca Hardcastle
Well, that’s why you have to see Nassim’s work, because he is the one scientist that I found that understands that on a very specific level. I mean, he says there’s only two forces in the universe, electromagnetism and gravity, and the interactions of those produce a black hole, and this black hole, this point of singularity is in the center of all things, going from atoms to suns to galaxies, to the universe itself is one giant black hole that we’re just seeing the event horizon on. And so these also exist on a spiritual dimension. I think. I mean… Oh, absolutely. It’s all related. In each one of us, I think the thing that generates the life force in us is actually the black hole, pulling in of energy and a spewing out of energy. And I would say in the afterlife, possibly also. I think that there’s so many possibilities opening right now that, you know, it used to be in academia that you came up with a theory and then spent your life proving it, and gathered all your colleagues around and wrote your grants and wrote your papers and got your tenure, and then continued with your accolades and your academic career with whatever scientific theory you were proposing, whether it was string theory or Big Bang or whatever. And that’s just not true today. That’s just not happening in academics. Well, I think what’s happening in academics today is that scientific research is moving so rapidly, you know, whether it’s with satellite telescopes or mathematics or brain research in terms of what are the quantum properties of the brain, that to be wedded to one cosmology or one opinion, maybe a religious opinion of creation or a medical opinion of the body and how it operates, I mean that’s literally academic suicide anymore.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, the Big Bang theory is a religious opinion of creation. It’s just like in the beginning God created the universe. I mean, that’s… It’s exactly. We haven’t really gone much further than that, except the new physics is showing us that each moment is created and destroyed. And so we are changing our understanding of these old realities. And I think when I, and I was reading today something, one of Terry Mansfield, the woman that I’m co-director with her with Edgar Mitchell’s Quantrec, we’re co-directors of Peace Exoconsciousness. And she sent me an article about using advanced light therapy that scientists and physicians are using to literally go in now and clean out wounds, finding that with very gentle loving pulses of light that the cellular tissue literally regenerates itself.
Rebecca Hardcastle
Right. Well, you read the book, The Field, right? They talk about the work of Fritz-Albert Popp, saying that cells actually retain light in them. That’s why I think sunlight is actually good for us, you know. Sunlight is good for us. Yeah, I know it’s become a whole… I think it’s much worse for you to put sunblock full of chemicals on your skin than it is to have more sunlight. We are a vitamin D-deprived race. That’s, I think, that’s been shown. And so, if you’re in medicine, I think, you know, light therapy, and then there was an article in the Daily Grail, there was an article on there about kind of like a Harry Potter type laser optics where they’re finding out that they can literally make portals in time and space that the human eye can’t see, but they still exist.
Alan Steinfeld
How do they do that? What’s that from? Where’s that?
Rebecca Hardcastle
It was with some kind of laser optics that they’ve been experimenting with, and they’re looking now at being able to kind of almost recreate like a Star Trek level reality. And I, you know, I think it’s possible. And I mean, when you look around at all of the research coming out, you know, that this is all a possibility. And I would also submit that religion is based on a lot of extraterrestrial abilities. You know, in terms of the ability to heal. Yes. The ability to transfigure. Transfiguration is just basically, you know, your cellular makeup decomposing and then recomposing and becoming a body of light. Whether you’re going through a wall with an ET or whatever, I mean… That, religion is based on extraterrestrial-like abilities as quote ‘miracles’ that we all were, you know, in jaw-dropping awe of. And now we’re, you know, growing up from that and saying, oh, well, we can do that. That’s a possibility. I think it’s the end of the age of religion, really, if this exoconsciousness and consciousness in general will take the place of what’s been called God and to realize that we are all these conscious aware beings that are equal to all of creation. I mean, there’s no extraterrestrial that you will meet that’s greater than you in consciousness. We are all of the same kind of source. We’re all made of consciousness, conscious awareness. They might have greater capabilities. That’s why it’s so funny that I was gifted literally, gifted with this phrase to sort of nurture and raise and and learn from, because that was my whole background. I went to theology school. I’m a philosophical theology major and I was ordained in the United Methodist Church. I had a whole career in the church. I mean, I worked as an ecumenical chaplain at a university for many years and I always worked with Catholics and Jewish students and I was a, you know, leader in my field. And then how did you break free of that? Because you must have been sucked into it at some level.
Alan Steinfeld
You know, there, on a level I was, but there was always another level that I wasn’t. Uh-huh. I was always a kind of a fringe sort of straddler. I always knew that there was a reason that I was put into this reality, that maybe that was a part of the work I was going to do and I needed to understand it. But when I… I did have probably a year or two where I began to view the church very, very differently. After I moved from Dayton, Ohio, to Phoenix, Arizona, and just decided that a complete spiritual path was the way for me. And I’m very comfortable in churches. I’m very comfortable with the language. I understand everything that goes on in them. And yet, you know, I am of a… I’m a spiritual being. And I did have some kind of difficult times. I mean, some guilt and some questioning. I mean, I went through all that. Actually I talk about that in my book Exoconsciousness: Your 21st Century Mind. I talk in a chapter or two about what I went through.
Rebecca Hardcastle
Well, you know, religion is such a terrestrial consciousness. And where we’re moving into is exactly what you’re talking beyond that. Except when you look at really the roots of religion, whether it’s Hinduism or Buddhism or Christianity or Judaism, I mean, actually the roots are extraterrestrial.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, sure, if you look at their origins.
Rebecca Hardcastle
You know, Hindu, oh, it’s been, yeah, it’s been changed, but really when you look at what their root system is, it’s a star knowledge root system. And maybe that’s what’s going to happen. Maybe religion is actually going to transform and begin to strengthen its root system of star knowledge, whether it’s, you know, the Vedas talking about the flying craft or… Well you know the word temple means reflection of the stars. So, they had the idea that we were connected to some place else, and they lost that connection. It became a political power controlling organization. That’s what religion is. And that may change. Well, it is changing because I think we’re bringing a new spirituality to the world. This is part of it. And yet, I think regardless of whatever field we’re in, you know, whether, you know, you in the media and, you know, dealing with the arts field and with consciousness. I mean, I think we all need to be respectful of, whether it’s government or educators or whatever, we all need to be respectful of where each other comes from and, in a sense, highly respectful of what their fear systems are. And to develop in this kind of bridging time, develop a relationship of trust and mutual respect. That’s something that I feel very strongly about. But this is my trauma that’s been scarred on people. The sort of imprinting of religion and the indoctrination of ignorance is so deep in most people that they’re afraid to break out of what they call their faith. And I think we need some intervention is what I think.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I totally agree, and I don’t think that whether it’s in a family and you have an intervention in terms of drugs. I mean, that’s why families do such a good intervention, because the person that is in the intervention needs to trust their family members.
Rebecca Hardcastle
But religion is the same thing, we need that intervention as a drug, because it is a drug. So when you say be respectful, I understand what you mean, but it’s frustrating.
Alan Steinfeld
Because if we start to demonize or disrespect or categorize, then we just retraumatize everybody. Everybody gets retraumatized. Well that’s true, so how do you approach those people then that are stuck in those realms of reality?
Rebecca Hardcastle
It’s been very, very interesting. I just spoke a couple years ago, I still do a lot of philosophical work and I spoke at the American Philosophical Association on exopolitics and psychopathology. And I was very surprised that out of all the academic philosophers and psychologists and psychiatrists in attendance, the extreme degree lacking in the dialogue that the academics and the psychiatrists and philosophers didn’t even have the quantum vocabulary or the UFO extraterrestrial vocabulary, they didn’t even have a framework to have a dialogue.
Alan Steinfeld
No, they don’t, they don’t. And neither does people who would say they’re spiritual. I mean, neither do people like Ken Wilber, who I approached, who wrote his theory of everything. And I said, ‘Well, what do you think beyond this realm? Do you think there’s a greater civilization?’ And he basically said no, it sort of ends with the earth. So that surprised me. But…
Rebecca Hardcastle
That’s fine. Yeah.
Alan Steinfeld
And so, I think that we have our work cut out for us, quite frankly. You know, whether it’s education or transformation or the life that we are leading, and I think that a lot of transformation and breakthrough and I love your term intervention. I love that so I’m probably going to be using that Alan if that’s OK. You can. That the whole intervention model is the fact that we do model for each other. So if you’re intervening for somebody in your family that has an alcohol problem and you’re sitting there down in a six pack every day, and you think that you can control your drinking, well, you know at some point you need to model for that other person, you know, these are the choices I’m going to make in my life, I’m going to be sober or whatever. And I think that we in the extraterrestrial UFO field, in terms of exoconsciousness and exopolitics, we need to model ourselves in, you know, a higher, hold ourselves to a higher standard.
Rebecca Hardcastle
Well, I think your whole approach is very balanced, it’s very holistic, and something I think people can start to integrate. It’s very refreshing to talk to you, and because you really take a middle of the road approach. It’s not just, ‘oh, they’re here and the government has to reveal their secrets.’ No, it’s you have to work on your own personal development, you have to be a model for change, you have to expand your own ability to perceive a greater reality, and then the world will change.
Alan Steinfeld
Absolutely. I categorically believe that. And going into an institution as a warrior just causes more trauma on every level. Now, I am a true believer though, I want to make this clear, I am a true believer that one of the first steps is disclosure and any kind of abuse. You have to get the secrets out. Yes, you have to get the truth out. Yes. Yes. You have to get the secrets out. The second step inevitably, interestingly enough, is you as an individual or institutions need to admit how they have, over the years and over the decades and centuries, colluded with the secrecy. Or been abusive in the case of trauma, they say yes, we have done these things, so get the truth and then admit their faults, yes.
Rebecca Hardcastle
But the victims of the abuse also have to see how they are in a mind control system and how they are also colluding and cooperating with this victim attacker system. And they have to own their part in it or they will never snap out of it. And how do you suggest we do that as an exo culture?
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I think we all have to look at our individual lives and our individual attitudes and say, in what way is there any way in which I am colluding with the fear of extraterrestrial or star visitors or our culture becoming galactic? Or choosing just to be asleep, yeah, which is I guess a collusion of sorts. Sleeping is an absolute collusion. And then when you’re clear about where you have been colluding, then you begin to model yourself in a new way and that’s when you’re able then to make a new reality, to make an extraterrestrial reality. But to attack and be violent and accusatory is in many ways a collusion. Yeah. You’re just perpetuating that same energetic system.
Rebecca Hardcastle
Right. And it does take the, it takes all people to come forward. I mean, the only way reality really is going to change for the planet is when all people come to this understanding, it has to go down to the lowest common denominator on some level if it’s going to change for everybody, if we’re going to live in that new world.
Alan Steinfeld
But I also think that modeling is so powerful that when you and I and other people that we work with become clear about to what extent we have colluded and to what extent there has been secrecy, and to what extent we have participated in it and been hesitant maybe about pointing it out or believing it or being awake to it, that as we move out of that and then go to the third stage of modeling an extraterrestrial reality, it really doesn’t take very many people to model something to create a seismic effect.
Rebecca Hardcastle
Right. Well, this is what I hope we’re doing. We’re almost out of time. Can you just give the website a little bit also about the work you’re doing with Edgar Mitchell?
Alan Steinfeld
Okay, I’m working with Edgar Mitchell on Quantrec, it’s q-u-a-n-t-r-e-k dot org I believe it is. And you can go on there and see the scientists that we’re working on. I actually just, two days ago, sent my information in, so I don’t know if I’m up on the site yet, but I should be in the next few days. Terry Mansfield and myself as Peace Exoconsciousness Directors working with these physicists. My personal website is exoconsciousness.com, e-x-o-c-o-n-s-c-i-o-u-s-n-e-s-s dot com, and the other site that I mentioned is ETVoteNow. So thanks for having me, Alan, I just thoroughly enjoyed it.
Rebecca Hardcastle
Oh thank you, this has been very enlightening for me, and I love so many of your ideas, you’re just such a bright clear… Well, I have a lot more that we’ll talk about off the air because I have this whole idea of this really developing an exoculture, which is based on the artist’s perception of greater realities. That is probably one of the most powerful things I’ve ever heard. It is, and I’m very in line with that and a believer in that.
Alan Steinfeld
So we’ll talk about that. Thank you, Rebecca, I’ve been talking to Rebecca Hardcastle from Exoconsciousness is her book, and Rebecca Hardcastle is her name, and you can look her up and Google her, and she has a great website, rebeccahardcastle.com. This is Alan Steinfeld for New Realities, and if you wanna reach me, email me at newrealities@earthlink.net, and check my website, newrealities.com. This is Duke Williams with Night Before the Future.