New Realities recorded on October 23, 2007
Summary
In this episode of New Realities, host Alan Steinfeld interviews filmmakers Hope and Randy Mead about their documentary, “Orbs: The Veil is Lifting.” They discuss the mysterious phenomenon of orbs, asserting that these balls of light captured on digital cameras represent conscious, interdimensional beings. The conversation delves into the significance of these sightings, connecting them to crop circles, UFOs, and a global shift in planetary vibration leading up to 2012. The interview also dives into Joan Ocean and her encounters with Sasquatch, time travelling in Damanhur Italy, remote viewing and much more.
Transcript
Alan Steinfeld
Welcome to New Realities with Alan Steinfeld. This program is about exploring new possibilities in an evolving world. Tonight I have some very special guests who are bridging the space between the dimensions or are making that available to people, or showing them what is possible and how we are actually evolving as a planetary civilization. They are Hope and Randy Mead, and they just produced this film called Orbs: The Veil is Lifting. We’ll be talking about the film and talking about the whole way this dimension is actually increasing its vibratory rate, so other things seem to be appearing in our world. Hope, Randy, are you there?
Hope Mead
Yes, we’re here.
Randy Mead
Yes, here.
Alan Steinfeld
Is that a fair introduction?
Hope Mead
Yes, that sounds right on.
Alan Steinfeld
The other thing I have to say is that we will all be at a conference in New York on November 10th. They are going to be showing the movie Orbs: The Veil is Lifting. This is November 10th at 49 White Street, which is three blocks south of Canal, that’s in New York. November 10th starting at 4pm from 4 to 10pm. If you have any questions just email me, Alan Steinfeld at newrealities, sorry, newrealities@earthlink.net, and I’ll get you more information about this very exciting conference. You’re also going to be at the conference in Palm Springs, right?
Hope Mead
That’s right, this weekend.
Alan Steinfeld
This weekend where you’ll be premiering the film.
Hope Mead
Correct.
Alan Steinfeld
For people who don’t know what orbs are, I’d say that they seem to be little balls of light that are appearing everywhere on everybody’s digital cameras. Now what they are, I’m not sure. What’s your take on orbs, either one of you?
Hope Mead
Well, the bottom line is that they’re consciousness. There is a consciousness involved with them, and that they communicate and show consciousness through the way that they relate. We believe that they can be inhabited by all kinds of different things. They could be angels, or ghosts, or us when we travel in our astral bodies, us when we leave our bodies through death, the dying process. And that that’s what we are basically, we are orbs of light at our core.
Alan Steinfeld
But what evidence do you have? I mean, I have my own, they seem to appear for me. I sort of sense them and then I will take a digital picture and they seem to be there when I sense them. Sometimes they’re there when I’m not sensing them, and sometimes they’re also there, if I sense they’re there, and they’re not. But mostly they seem to impact my consciousness with a certain awareness. So for me that’s how I feel they’re conscious. What makes you think they’re conscious?
Randy Mead
Well, after years of photographing them and playing with the energy, there is that repeated subjective impression that they’re responding to your consciousness, that you’re responding to their consciousness. We have some very dramatic photos where things felt like there was really something going on, and then we see there’s a big funnel of light coming out of the top of my head or something. Some very dramatic instances where it really clearly appears to be relating to our consciousness. And it’s come to people’s attention on digital media, but there’s many older photographs on film. The further we get into it, we’re meeting more and more people who see them with their naked eyes. And we have started to see them with our eyes under certain circumstances. So then you sort of have to eliminate photo anomalies as a possibility when you start seeing it with your eyes.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. And there’s no way to prove it because two people may be looking at the same thing, it just depends where your consciousness is as to who will see it. Would you say?
Hope Mead
Very true. Yes, that’s very true. Also Alan, you just said that sometimes you feel them, but you don’t necessarily get them on your camera. We’re convinced that they’re there whether you see them or not, that the digital cameras allow us to have that feedback that they’re there. But a lot of times they’re there and they’re not necessarily picked up on the camera. Sometimes as we’re seeing them more and more, the flash will go off and we’ll see them with our naked eyes illuminated, but then we don’t see them on the camera.
Alan Steinfeld
You know what’s weird is sometimes I get the same being, entity. It seems like the same signature that I have one that seems to be appearing a lot around me. Is that true?
Randy Mead
Yeah, a number of people have commented on that. Sometimes, especially people who are involved in some kind of spiritual pursuit, there will often be signature orbs that it seems like the same orb appearing near them frequently.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. I mean, I don’t think this is just some weird digital effect. I do think the veil is lifting, the doorway or the wall between the dimensions are getting thinner. Let’s talk about that. I mean, this is one piece of evidence. What other evidences do we have that that is actually true?
Hope Mead
Well, we believe that crop circles are evidence of that also.
Randy Mead
And of course increased UFO sightings is another instance.
Alan Steinfeld
So I mean, you know, there’s so many people that are still living in the old paradigm, that we’re alone in the universe or it doesn’t matter. How do we bring the understanding that we are in a vast universe of consciousness to people who really don’t have a clue?
Randy Mead
You know what’s interesting is that science is starting to point in this direction. One of the people we interviewed is a physicist who worked for NASA and he’s very into orbs. He did extensive research with dust and water and pollen to try to make sure that he wasn’t just looking at a refraction phenomenon. He’s concluded these are emanations of spiritual beings, and that there is actually a shift in the cosmic weather. William Tiller, who has done a huge amount of research on the power of intention and consciousness and some really dramatic, fascinating stuff, he’s really concluded that his experiments are working better now. That it was harder to get these results 20 years ago, and he has data to prove it that these experiments in applied intention are working better every year right now.
Alan Steinfeld
I have to say the William Tiller also wrote the forward to the Orb Project, which is a book associated with your film because they are both backed by Beyond Words publishing.
Hope Mead
We interviewed both the authors for the film, so it’s a real tie-in. Klaus Heinemann is the physicist that Randy was mentioning, and Mícheál Ledwith is the theologian, who are the co-authors of the Orb Project.
Alan Steinfeld
Right, and they’re both in your film. And just when you were talking there, the fact that if this is really true, and we are photographing interdimensional beings, this is really a miraculous time we’re living in.
Hope Mead
Absolutely. It’s really incredible. And you know, they’ve been seen around sacred sites for a long time, and crop circles.
Randy Mead
Some of the earliest orb pictures we’ve seen are around the pyramids, Machu Picchu.
Alan Steinfeld
I got one, I think it was 1983 from a regular camera. It was a blue orb around Mount Rainier, a little ball of light. I saw it actually, and then I took the picture and it actually was in the picture. So there was a bleed-through around these sacred sites to start with because somehow the frequencies are sort of doorways there anyway.
Hope Mead
Absolutely. That’s right. Yeah.
Alan Steinfeld
And now it’s sort of spreading around. It’s sort of like a peeling of an onion at these key spots that’s sort of spreading around the planet now.
Hope Mead
Yes, I think that’s absolutely right. We spoke in Sedona in May at the first orb conference ever put on by the Prophet’s Conference people. There were people from 14 countries there. And people were so excited, and that is what’s happening. People all over the world more and more are getting them. In the last five years since Randy and I have been researching this, it’s amazing how commonplace orbs are becoming in people’s lives.
Alan Steinfeld
Well you know the other weird thing, it’s I mean this is just my experience is that you have to sort of be initiated. So I was up at the Ramtha school, I never heard of orbs before. Melissa who was on the staff started taking these pictures, and then I felt like, ‘Oh, I can do that.’ So I started to take pictures of orbs because I was sort of introduced to it. And then I people that I’ve met now who haven’t been taking pictures of orbs, I say, ‘Okay, let me show you.’ And I kind of program an intention into the camera or into the way they’re taking pictures and then they start to get orbs. Is that true or am I making this up?
Hope Mead
No, I think that it’s absolutely true. What happens is once you put it in someone’s neural net, then they can validate this is a real phenomenon, and they’re much more likely to get orbs in their own cameras.
Randy Mead
What’s weird is sometimes people go back over old photographs and they realize, ‘Oh my gosh, I had these in my old photographs but I never noticed them.’ We heard a weird instance from some people in Spain. They, Robin and Cody who put on the conference, they went to a store in Spain and there was an old picture of the town and there was like four orbs in it. They asked the storekeeper, ‘What do you know about these balls of light?’ She said, ‘You know, I’ve been looking at that picture for 35 years, I’ve never seen them.’ You really do sort of literally have to have the veil lifted in your own brain mechanism to see them sometimes.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, are you familiar with Ramtha? And JZ Knight’s biography, A State of Mind, do you know that book? Well, if you look, I’m actually in this photograph because I was involved with the Ramtha people back then. I think this picture was taken in ’83 in the book. And there’s an orb on one of those photographic plates in A State of Mind. There’s actually an orb in that book from the 80s.
Randy Mead
Ramtha has been talking about them for a long time.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh yeah, in 1981, Ramtha said you will begin to see blurbs of orbs, spots of them, blue orbs, and he says it’s the electromagnetic field of the Earth changing. He made that statement in November of 1981 in Boston, which he sort of predicted this whole coming of this light armada. And that was a really powerful talk that really transformed a lot of things. So the orbs do seem to be like the tip of the iceberg, where you get orbs and you do it for a while and you start to get plasma shapes and more complex formations. Mícheál Ledwith has gotten these incredible torsion vortexes of orbs, and it starts to get more and more complex. We’ve seen some work from the Netherlands where the orbs manifest and form columns of light and appear to be right there.
Hope Mead
Is that Robert’s orbs?
Randy Mead
Yeah, Robert’s orbs. And then you get these light beings that he’s sitting and chatting with after a while.
Alan Steinfeld
He has actually an ET show up in one of his pictures, doesn’t he?
Randy Mead
Yes, although he doesn’t like to call it an ET because he feels that they’re very much part of our world. But yeah, it seems to really be the tip of the iceberg there.
Alan Steinfeld
Well I’m just looking in this book, this autobiography of JZ Knight, A State of Mind, and it’s around page 200, there are these plates. I’m marching through the desert with JZ Knight and actually Shirley MacLaine is in this picture, Ann Marie Bennstrom, and right above us in the sky is this orb of light from 1983. So I mean they start, so what is… what’s happening to the Earth? What do you feel is really going on here? Where are we going?
Hope Mead
Well, I think that what we’ve been told is happening is that the Earth is going through a major shift, and that it’s a vibrational shift. And the orbs are showing themselves now because they’re, because like you were saying earlier, the veil between dimensions is thinning, and so we’re being able to see these things. And this is the good stuff, you know. There’s so much sadness on the Earth right now, and there’s so much negativity going on that if people could go more into the orbs and into what’s positive and good about the Earth, then we’ll see true change, I think.
Alan Steinfeld
Have people felt there’s a message emanating from them? Because I mean, I see them, I sense them, but I don’t quite get what they’re saying. Have you met people who feel they are?
Hope Mead
Well, certainly some of the work that’s being done at JZ’s ranch with the people there is really quite amazing, where they’re doing communications with the orbs and getting yes and no answers. They hold up cards with different symbols in them and ask for the orbs to appear with the symbols in them.
Alan Steinfeld
Actually I did that. Actually that was true. We were told at the ranch to draw a symbol on a card that would appear in an orb, and I drew the infinity sign, and it actually appeared in that orb session we did. So that’s true.
Randy Mead
And that’s a communication, but it’s sort of a tentative initial communication, you know, it’s not like a message for humanity or anything. But there’s a really amazing series of pictures that we put in the film where there’s a light sort of bobbing around my head and everything. And that was very much a classic spiritual message of love and acceptance and oneness. The classic spiritual message was definitely part of that experience for me. And I don’t really know if that was coming from the orbs or the orbs were a byproduct of my interaction with a higher level of reality. You know, it’s hard to put your finger on exactly what’s going on there.
Hope Mead
I think we’re at the very beginning of this too, and that part of what’s going on right now is for us all to listen and observe. Because we haven’t been taught how to deal with these other dimensions, you know, it’s not like you go to school and study multidimensionality. And so we all have to learn together and individually. And it’s an evolving process that’s going on right now. Like the light beings that are showing up in the Netherlands in Robert’s home are so advanced. And yet I feel that any of the orbs at any moment could turn into one of the light beings.
Alan Steinfeld
And also at the Ramtha school, there was a plasma ship that appeared, an amazing picture of these orbs or this mist starting to form what looks like a spaceship. But there’s also an association I feel between sound and orbs. Do you notice that?
Randy Mead
They do seem a lot of times when there’s music being played or photographs at concerts, music or toning or chanting really seems to draw them in. We’ve had a number of cases where people are kind of sitting there and there’s not much going on, not many orbs. They say, ‘Let’s sing a song. Sing a Buddhist chant or Row Row Row Your Boat or anything.’ And people sort of break into song and start having a good time, and suddenly the place is full of orbs. So it really does seem to be some kind of association with sound and music and tone.
Alan Steinfeld
Well the amazing thing in your film is that you’re interviewing Joan Ocean and you’re getting orbs around dolphins.
Hope Mead
Yes. Joan was kind enough to loan us pictures underwater.
Alan Steinfeld
Do you feel the dolphins themselves are actually aware of these orb beings?
Randy Mead
Yeah, she very much feels that the dolphins are entirely aware of them and interact and point them out or see them or interact with them very much so.
Hope Mead
Joan told us recently that she finds more orbs around the sharks than any of the other underwater animals.
Alan Steinfeld
Really? How do you explain that? So much for peace and love, huh?
Hope Mead
Well, she says Hawaiian sharks are very friendly, that the Hawaiian people have been cultivating a relationship. Generally sharks in Hawaii are not aggressive. That makes sense. It’s very interesting.
Alan Steinfeld
So there is, I mean I have a picture of an orb coming right out of the front of a didgeridoo that I took in Sedona last week.
Randy Mead
We met a player from Australia, told me a wonderful story. A didgeridoo store closed and he bought this huge giant display didgeridoo made out of fiberglass, and he put it on the roof of his place. And he attached a real didgeridoo to it, and he started playing it. And he had a series of photographs, it’s like the whole property filled up with orbs when he was playing this giant didgeridoo. So that’s not the only didgeridoo orb story I’ve heard.
Alan Steinfeld
You know I’ve never gotten a mist. I’ve gotten lots of orbs. I mean practically orbs in every picture I take now. But I don’t, I’ve never gotten the mist. I don’t think, is there a certain level of consciousness you need to be at to get the mist sort of when they start to dissolve into things like that?
Randy Mead
I really don’t know if that it’s a hierarchy. I mean sometimes you get mist, mist, mist, and other times just orbs. And people that get diamond shaped orbs, which we ourselves have never gotten a diamond shaped orb in tens of thousands of photos, people almost half their orbs are diamond shaped.
Alan Steinfeld
I think I got a six-pointed star orb once that I couldn’t believe. And then someone just sent me a sort of angelic wisping, like a sort of half mist half orb picture that I don’t know what that means, but they called it an angel, an actual real angelic being that showed up for somebody.
Randy Mead
If that visual manifestation is accompanied by a sudden influx of cosmic wisdom or improbable holographic insights that unfold, then perhaps you are dealing with an angelic being.
Alan Steinfeld
So I mean, is there an association you think between UFOs and orbs, or are they just part of separate dimensions? Do you find there’s some connection or not?
Hope Mead
I think that the connection is back into that the veil is thinning, and that the UFOs don’t necessarily have to show themselves in this dimension. It’s their choice. And that to be able to travel here from where they come from, they are doing interdimensional travel. That’s how they move around so fast. So in the same way that the orbs are showing more and more because there’s a thinning happening between dimensions, I feel that there are more and more UFO sightings now for the same reason.
Alan Steinfeld
Well you have a connection Hope. Do you want to tell your story, your connection?
Hope Mead
Oh, well, my story was that I was standing out in the woods and when I’m photographing for orbs, I’m sending love out to the universe. I know that it’s that’s what it’s all about, sending out good vibes and sending out love. So I’m singing love, love, come to me, come to me. And I’m photographing for orbs, and all of a sudden through the trees, a big golden ship came right through the trees, flying right towards me. And I sort of went into shock. Randy wasn’t with me. I wasn’t ready to have the experience by myself, so I basically ran the other way and looked for Randy. But it was very clear that me being out there sending love out to the universe was what was attracting this golden ship to me.
Alan Steinfeld
Wow. I believe that. I think I saw a UFO the other night. I woke up at 6 o’clock in the morning and directly out my front window, I’m in the middle of Manhattan, but due south was this light that was spinning. It wasn’t an airplane because it was rotating from like silver to blue to red. And it’s kind of stationary, and then this light sort of looked like a shooting star but it came right down towards that light that was spinning and disappeared as it got close to it. And I found myself gasp, like involuntary like, oh my god.
Randy Mead
And did you just sort of wake up and look out your window for no reason?
Alan Steinfeld
Yes. Yes. I woke up at 6 o’clock in the morning for no reason. I hate waking up early. And there they were. Let’s also go over some notes that I took about some characteristics of orbs in case people, you know what I’ve noticed and you can add, is that well first that they seem to be sort of transparent, most of them, but sometimes they’re really solid and bright.
Hope Mead
Yes, my belief is that again, back into the dimensional, that when they’re solid and bright, they are more in 3D reality, so we can see them stronger. It doesn’t mean they’re any stronger necessarily even than the weak ones. It’s just that they are allowing themselves to be manifest in our reality more so that the cameras can pick them up brighter.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. And they also sometimes pulsate, like if you take a series of pictures, one orb may look small and the next picture it might actually be twice the size.
Randy Mead
Yeah, they do seem to change size and position. A lot of times you’ll say, ‘Wow, that really looks like the same orb, there’s the same markings, the same things,’ but it’s moved a huge distance or it seems larger, smaller, rotated.
Alan Steinfeld
Right, I noticed the same things. And the other thing is that they’re not always round. They sometimes have a strange oblong shape or part of it is round and part of it is not round. Do you find that?
Randy Mead
Yes, like a raised lip or it looks a little oblong or almost like a pie plate that’s turned a little sideways. Some we’ve seen weird manifestations where they start to break up or have big pieces missing out of them, look like Swiss cheese, or actually just start to break up entirely.
Alan Steinfeld
And then the other thing is that sometimes in the single picture it seems like they’re actually moving. There’s like a red to blue trail on them. You notice that?
Randy Mead
Yes, and sometimes you can find one that apparently one orb has streaked across the whole frame even sometimes. And then if you think, wow, the time elapsed of the flash is about a thousandth of a second. Here this thing has streaked across 10 or 20 feet during that time.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. So do you think as the veils and the dimensional doorways really start thinning, we are going to be, like we’ll just see them? I mean, what’s your hypotheses about where we’re going?
Randy Mead
I think more and more they’ll appear more and more in photographs and more and more people will start to see them in certain circumstances and it’ll just become a more accepted part of our reality.
Alan Steinfeld
And then what does the world look like when these veils have really lifted? I mean what practical things can we look forward to?
Randy Mead
Well, it’s interesting because I think people, you know, we’re moving more towards people taking personal responsibility for their actions. But I really think as the veil lifts, people start to realize I need to take responsibility for my thoughts and feelings and attitudes too, because all of these things are coloring everything around me. So people really accepting responsibility for their own states of being and how that really affects their reality. I think that might be a big part of it.
Hope Mead
I also think that this experience often takes one past religion, that it supersedes religion. Because it’s all about what all the religions are supposed to be talking about, about love and breaking down barriers. And I think that it’s also important for everyone to greet this with love and not fear. The people who are greeting it with fear won’t let it be part of their reality. We haven’t been conditioned, we haven’t been taught what this is about, and so at any age we can jump into this with an open heart and an open mind and accept it and explore it. And that’s kind of why we made the movie really was to show this with people and to share it with people in a loving way, that it’s exciting that this is happening and that we should greet it with love.
Alan Steinfeld
Well I also, I liked what you guys said, it really is about taking responsibility for our thoughts and our own consciousness. And somehow that grounds our spiritual experience. You know, for so long the spiritual scene has been so out there and ungrounded and in a sense irresponsible. And now I think by taking responsibility for the thoughts we have and what we draw into our lives and seeing the practical application of that, it makes it more real. I think the whole New Age is just maturing in that way.
Randy Mead
That’s right, and people have been spiritual seekers for a while and you can have amazing peak experiences, and you start to realize over time it is about grounding this. How does this apply in a more mundane way, not just a peak experience, but how does this affect our day-to-day lives?
Alan Steinfeld
So things, do you think 2012 somehow, I mean I’ve talked about this before, but what’s your take on 2012? Is that like mark a certain time in evolution or is it an arbitrary date? Does it mean anything to you guys?
Hope Mead
To us it does. There’s so many prophecies from so many different cultures around the world that point to 2012 as a date. We’ve been looking at it for almost 30 years now as a specific date, and as we get closer to that date, it seems that things are really shifting. I mean my god, when you see what’s happening right now in Southern California with the fires, and what’s happening in the Arctic with the Arctic melting, there are so many things on a physical level that are manifesting on the planet. And I personally think it’s because of the sun, and not necessarily because humans have done anything wrong, though we are definitely creating havoc on the planet. I think there’s a bigger picture here going on.
Alan Steinfeld
Well that’s true. I agree, it’s not necessarily human creation, but it is a solar event.
Randy Mead
Yeah, and we seem to be going into a high energy photon belt. A lot of people seem to think there’s indication that the whole solar system is moving into a new vibration High energy zone now that’s going to culminate in 2012. You know, if it gets to be 2012 and nothing spectacular happens, it’s not like I’m going to be disappointed. I’m not holding my breath. I think plenty of amazing things are going to happen before 2012.
Alan Steinfeld
Right, and they’re happening now.
Randy Mead
Happening right now, exactly.
Alan Steinfeld
I mean, I do think. Where did you hear about this 30 years ago? 2012?
Hope Mead
Well, it was, I guess it was more like 25 years ago. It was around the whole Harmonic Convergence.
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, José Argüelles. That’s when I heard about it.
Randy Mead
Exactly.
Alan Steinfeld
August 16th and 17th, 1987, was a great celebration around the planet at all the sacred sites. Do you remember that? Where were you?
Hope Mead
We were in the San Francisco Bay Area, Marin County.
Alan Steinfeld
And did you do a special celebration?
Randy Mead
Yeah, we had a ceremony at a rock that had some ancient pictographs on it.
Alan Steinfeld
I started to do a general survey about people being everywhere on the planet for the Harmonic Convergence, and that was a sort of beginning of the shift, in this lifting of the veil, I think. It seemed to really be a momentous time.
Randy Mead
Yeah, it seemed like a real turning point, at least in a lot of people’s consciousnesses.
Hope Mead
Well, it also went mainstream as a kind of subculture. It sort of was noticed by the media in a bigger way and then really acknowledged. I mean, it may not have been embraced, but at least it was noticed.
Randy Mead
Right.
Hope Mead
And I was up in Woodstock, in a place called the Magic Meadow, and there were hundreds of people there holding hands and singing and celebrating and getting up at sunrise. But there were people everywhere, there were people in Haleakalā and Maui, and Machu Picchu, and the Grand Canyon, and Sedona. Everywhere that I was aware of there were people gathering.
Alan Steinfeld
For this welcoming of what José Argüelles says was the end of the ninth hell. And the beginning of this 25-year cycle that will end on the Winter Solstice 2012. That’s the end of the Mayan calendar, Winter Solstice 2012. And from what I know, it’s when the sun lines up with the galactic center.
Alan Steinfeld
In a direct alignment with that consciousness which is emanating from the center. And people like Terence McKenna says that that great thing is casting its shadow back in time and affecting us now. So that may be a key to how the veils are lifting because we are coming into alignment with something more than just our solar energy.
Randy Mead
That’s right. And there is theoretically, from a number of sources you hear, this belt of high-energy photons that’s passing from the galactic center, and we’re just moving more and more into it as we approach 2012. So we’re already in it, we’re just not in the center of it. So that, I think you’re right, that could very well be the mechanism that is initiating this change.
Alan Steinfeld
Right, and if we believe in astrology at all, we realize that then we are being affected by that which we are in the stellar aspect. So if there’s a photon belt that’s emanating out, it’s affecting consciousness.
Randy Mead
That’s right.
Alan Steinfeld
And so what we’re seeing is a great spiritual awakening on the planet, although it may not look like that.
Hope Mead
No, I totally agree with you. I feel that that’s the work for all of us to take on between now and 2012, is for us to open our consciousness, raise our consciousness, become centered in our bodies, and be ready for whatever changes happen.
Hope Mead
When you say what does it look like when, in 2012, I really mean, I visualize tomorrow, do you know what I mean? I have a strong sense of today and of the orbs and what they mean to me and of my experience with them, but in terms of knowing, none of us really know. I mean, none of us really know what it’s going to look like because we’ve all been programmed to know reality in a certain way.
Hope Mead
So we’re just kind of trying to open up to see what the greater reality is and to embrace that on a day-by-day timeframe.
Alan Steinfeld
Right, it’s like the parable of Plato’s cave, where the people were living in the cave and just seeing the shadows on the wall and thinking that’s reality, until someone goes out of the cave and realizes what the source of those shadows were. And so we are now, I think, coming into a time where we’re stepping out of this shadow world, this flatland, and coming into a consciousness that understands the source of consciousness. Does that make sense?
Hope Mead
That’s very well put actually, very well put, yes.
Alan Steinfeld
So you said, Hope, about opening up our consciousness. Now, how do you recommend people do that?
Hope Mead
Well, for it, Randy is a musician, and so we have done a lot of work with music, and orbs are attracted to music and higher vibration through music. So certainly playing music, or having music singing, joyous occasions. We’re very excited about getting people together in groups and having an orb experience.
Alan Steinfeld
What does that mean, an orb experience?
Hope Mead
Well, what that means is we get together, we invite people, and it can be anywhere, though places where there has already been higher energy, as we say churches, or synagogues where people are praying, or mosques, or parties.
Alan Steinfeld
Right, yoga centers.
Hope Mead
Actually, we’re going to do this event in New York at a synagogue. It was originally a yoga studio, but I was able to get a bigger place, and it’s called the Synagogue of the Arts. I’m very excited. I’m sure that there are going to be orbs all over, and Randy and I look forward to having an orb experience there, and we invite anyone who comes that night to bring your digital camera, and Randy will bring his flute, and we’re going to do whatever we can do to invite the orbs in to join us. So we’re hoping that everyone can have an orb experience.
Alan Steinfeld
So an orb experience meaning that you play your music and do your things, and then everyone just starts to take pictures.
Randy Mead
Take pictures and we’ll just see what turns up and people can have a direct experience of it. Like you said, it often does work by initiation. We made a short film five years ago, quite a short film, when we first discovered orbs, just about our personal journey, and we keep hearing people, oh, well, we watched that videotape and then we took our cameras and we went out and lo and behold, we got orbs. Just the very awareness of it, thought of it, thinking about it tends to sort of open that experience.
Alan Steinfeld
It is, but are you like, living with the orbs? I mean, because I go out and take pictures, but I don’t feel like I’m, maybe I am, but they’re not with me like all the time, in my awareness they might be. And I’m sure they are, but do you feel like they’re in your every moment awareness?
Hope Mead
Not in my awareness, but I have come to believe and feel that they’re with us at all times.
Randy Mead
I do think it’s a matter of our focus though, or our own vibration rather than whether they’re there or not.
Alan Steinfeld
So they probably are here all the time and they’re probably everywhere.
Hope Mead
Well Alan, you live your life, look at the people that you interview and where you put your attention, your work is all about the higher dimensions. So I’m not surprised that they’re around you all the time and that you saw the ship the other night looking out your window. You’re open to this, and so you have those experiences.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah. So what, I mean, could we be living with a ball of light? Like, hi, there’s Fred the ball of light. I mean, you know.
Randy Mead
I think so, and I’ve met a couple of people that are kind of like that, and they’re not real vocal about it because people tend to look a little askance if you get too.
Alan Steinfeld
So maybe this is what people when they saw angels projected on a kind of religious Christian sort of religious thing onto what’s now becoming an everyday occurrence.
Hope Mead
That’s what we believe.
Alan Steinfeld
Isn’t that remarkable though, isn’t that?
Hope Mead
It is remarkable. And ghosts too. There are a whole group of people out there that are ghost hunters and they decided that all orbs are discarnate spirits, and I think that that’s probably one of the things that they are.
Alan Steinfeld
How would we tell the difference between a discarnate or an angel, is there different patterns you think that signify different types of consciousnesses?
Randy Mead
Well, I’ve seen people go to some rather great lengths along these lines, but I truly don’t think we have enough information to do that. Although, ghosts are supposed to be trapped on this plane, and I have very little experience with orbs where they seem trapped anywhere. They seem up and down, in and out, back and forth. Not really trapped.
Alan Steinfeld
Right, like commuters.
Alan Steinfeld
It’s, I mean we can all agree that there’s something out there, it’s not a camera defect. It seems to be a phenomenon, but I think we really can’t conclude at this moment what they actually are.
Hope Mead
That’s true.
Randy Mead
I mean it might have something to do with consciousness. I mean I’m sure it does, it seems there’s clues to it, but I don’t think anyone really knows.
Randy Mead
No, and I think this may be the origin a lot of people when you get spiritual insight and you see these things, this could be the origin of a lot of the what you say about angels and elves and fairies are often portrayed not just as little beings but as balls of light that people see in the woods. Will-o’-the-wisps in myth and legends where people don’t follow the ball of light out into the swamp because it’ll lead you into the quicksand. There’s been legends could really be based on people perceiving some of this with their eyes and putting their own interpretation on it.
Alan Steinfeld
That’s probably true, because there was a quote I saw of Goethe, the German writer Goethe, where he saw these balls of light bouncing along the side of a road, and he got out of his carriage and just stared at them. I think I’ll read that at the conference that we’re doing, but it was like, oh yeah, balls of light have been noticed throughout history, and but now everyone is getting it. That’s some, it is a great time, but do you think then that at some point we will, everyone will start to live in this vibration?
Alan Steinfeld
What’s going to happen to people that you think that refuse to go there? Is it going to be a new heaven and a new earth for them, as well as us?
Hope Mead
Well, you know, the Hopis talk about the two paths on their rock where they have the petroglyph about what’s going on, and it’s been proved where they show World War II and all of these different dates really line up. And we’re just at the time now where they show the two paths that people will take.
Hope Mead
And I think that this is part of what we’re seeing with the orbs. Some people will open up, and we’ve seen that. Some people will see a photograph with an orb, and their heart opens up and they know that this is real. And other people, even they get them in their own camera, and they can’t believe it, they won’t let it be, they give all the reasons why this can’t be a phenomenon. It has to be some sort of artifact in the camera.
Randy Mead
Some kind of a…
Randy Mead
Sometimes two months later they’re completely into it too. They’ve seen it three more times and it’s like, okay, I know it’s not a camera artifact now.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, maybe that’s part of the conversion to the consciousness, the higher consciousness is just this phenomenon showing up and it’s just another way, like the crop circles, like UFO sightings, that are telling people there’s more to reality than what we’ve been programmed to think.
Hope Mead
Absolutely. The visible light spectrum is such a small bit of what is available out there. I mean, the invisible light spectrum is huge. And why we think that what we can see is all there is. And in a way, since we live in a seeing is believing world, it’s very interesting that now we can actually see these other dimensions.
Alan Steinfeld
But you know even science is saying that we only can really see 5% of the whole universe, that the 95% is dark matter and dark energy.
Alan Steinfeld
And we don’t have any idea what that is. I think it’s as if we’ve been seeing just the surface of a pond or a lake, and we haven’t been able to see what’s below the surface. That’s visible light, just the surface.
Hope Mead
That sounds right.
Randy Mead
Right, sometimes the angle of the sun changes slightly, and suddenly, boom, you’re seeing down under the water.
Alan Steinfeld
But getting back to the Hopis and what they, the two paths are, so the one path would be towards light and higher consciousness and peace, and I guess the other path is the opposite, is that what you’re saying?
Hope Mead
Yes, some people, I don’t think that we can assume in any way that the whole planet will wake up. I think that there needs to be a critical mass, and that’s what it will take.
Alan Steinfeld
Do you think it’s the 144,000 has been predicted, or not necessarily, or…
Randy Mead
I don’t know, that number comes up again and again, but hard to say what the critical mass…
Randy Mead
You know, the TM for years and years and years, they had the paradigm that if 1% of the population would meditate, it would change everything.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah.
Randy Mead
I think now it’s more like, well maybe we need 5% of the population to meditate to change everything.
Alan Steinfeld
That always sounds so dogmatic to me. It’s sort of like, it was like the Middle Ages, if the whole world was Christian, then we’d have the second coming. You know, it’s like I think we need to allow the diversity of consciousness.
Randy Mead
Anyone can find their own path. I don’t think it has to be so rigid.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, I agree. I think it’s the diversity of consciousness that is what’s going to wake people up and start to bring us in a new realm.
Randy Mead
But there is probably a critical mass of a creative minority, whatever the hundredth monkey or the 144,000th monkey, I’m not sure what it is, but there probably is a critical mass where it will turn the whole…
Alan Steinfeld
You know, I saw a great bumper sticker once. It said, relax, I’m the hundredth monkey.
Hope Mead
Good to make a t-shirt that says that.
Alan Steinfeld
It’s true though, because I think what you’re saying is right about critical mass, because when critical mass is reached in the consciousness of even the few, it’s like that affects our morphogenetic field, and people who weren’t even into a spiritual awakening suddenly find themselves having an awakening.
Hope Mead
Yes.
Alan Steinfeld
I think that’s why, that’s why it’s great what you’re doing. I think the film is a great step in revealing the process of our evolving consciousness. So do you have any other plans? You’ve made this film, you’re going to be touring with it, but what else are you guys up to?
Hope Mead
Well, right now, we really pushed to get this film done and out, it was the time, and Cynthia Black at Beyond Words, bless her heart, really wanted this film to happen and get it out soon, so our whole life is really is this right now.
Hope Mead
One of the things that’s very interesting is that we made this film to reach the masses. We didn’t want to be too out there, so as to exclude people. So one of the things that we’ve looked at is doing a second film possibly that would include some of the things that we didn’t include in this film. Such as Joan Ocean, who is in the film, is a wonderful woman, swims with the dolphins.
Hope Mead
Has also started meeting with Sasquatch.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh really? Physical meetings with Sasquatch?
Randy Mead
Actual physical meetings, yeah.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh my god, that is amazing. But not in Hawaii. She must meet them.
Hope Mead
No, no, in the states, in a place in the middle of the country, and there’s a family of 33, a tribe actually of 33 Sasquatch, that she’s been meeting with and communicating with, they live underground and…
Alan Steinfeld
Has she photographed them?
Randy Mead
They don’t appear to really want to be photographed, but she has now started leading select groups out where they camp out and meet with them and such.
Alan Steinfeld
That is amazing. That’s pretty spectacular, I’d love to see stuff on it, I’m excited about it. Are they interdimensional or not? That’s what some people say.
Hope Mead
Absolutely. Yeah.
Alan Steinfeld
So they can appear and disappear.
Hope Mead
Absolutely.
Randy Mead
Yeah, they appear to be able to just wink out at will. They’re interdimensional.
Alan Steinfeld
I think they’re the Neanderthals that science has said disappeared and was taken over. I think the Neanderthals actually had bigger brains than the Cro-Magnon that we are.
Randy Mead
Well they actually told Joan that at the last ice age, 12,000 years ago or something, that they were at our level of civilization.
Alan Steinfeld
And now where are they?
Randy Mead
Way beyond. They have spiritual technologies so they don’t have artifacts and we don’t find them.
Alan Steinfeld
But they live off the land, they’re very primitive in their lifestyle.
Alan Steinfeld
They don’t have a kind of artifact culture that we do, right?
Randy Mead
Although she said they have an underground, underground with lights that mysteriously come on, and there’s a whole spiritual technology, although they appear to live very simply.
Alan Steinfeld
That’s amazing. I want to go with her, I want to meet some Sasquatch. I know they exist, I know. I mean this, you know, there’s legends all over the world of them.
Hope Mead
Are you going? Isn’t that exciting?
Alan Steinfeld
Well, we haven’t set it up, but we definitely want to do that with her.
Hope Mead
You know, along those lines, there’s a guy, I think on this radio station, Brooks Agnew, that’s taking a ship into the inner earth through the Arctic. Did you hear about that?
Randy Mead
Yeah.
Alan Steinfeld
And the civilization that lives there. Maybe that’s connected to Sasquatch, or maybe they’re just living on another plane. Wow. I want to do a movie about the Sasquatch.
Hope Mead
Well we can do it together, yeah.
Hope Mead
Well, that’s what when you ask about what we’re doing, the idea of doing the next movie, see, that would include that, and some of the work that JZ’s doing that we didn’t get to include in the film.
Alan Steinfeld
Like what?
Hope Mead
And with Miceal, we have photographs that he let us use, Miceal Ledwith, of his torsion vortexes, but we don’t really talk about what they are or that they run counter to gravity and that if you walk into one of these, you can time travel.
Hope Mead
So, just that there’s just amazing things going on right now.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I was just at Damanhur, Italy, have you heard of that place?
Hope Mead
Yes, we have, yes.
Alan Steinfeld
They have time machines as well. Where they’ve gone back to Atlantis. Actually, I got a lot of orbs around the sacred site in Italy, in Damanhur, and there were really amazing orbs there.
Hope Mead
That’s surprising.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, again, it’s a group of people who are working with consciously with the dimensions, working with raising their vibration. So that would make sense.
Alan Steinfeld
And they actually have something they call, which I didn’t really quite understand, were time satellites, where they send an object backwards in time, and then it would appear in the future, then it would come back to them with information.
Hope Mead
They were calling these things time satellites. Interesting stuff. I mean, it’s truly we are moving into a new heaven and a new earth.
Randy Mead
Yeah, I think Damanhur, that’s partly, you say what will the future look like when people embrace these other dimensions? That’s kind of what it’s gonna look like. They’re doing these things that sound outlandish to us, but it’s something that they do now on a regular basis. It’s just part of their world.
Alan Steinfeld
It’s true. They didn’t quite, they weren’t, they just kind of gave us hints of that.
Alan Steinfeld
I mean to really, to when I was there, to really get into it, you really have to become part of that community. But it was fascinating enough to want to go back and, and go to these underground temples that they’ve built, and in these underground temples they’ve wrapped the whole temple in miles of copper wire that seem to amplify the energy as well.
Randy Mead
My goodness. Yeah. They…
Alan Steinfeld
So it’s worth going over there. You got, I’ll set you up there. I have a good contact there.
Randy Mead
We definitely want to visit there, that’s something else we’d love to do.
Alan Steinfeld
And what’s the thing JZ is doing now, if you can say? Because I’ve been a part of that school.
Randy Mead
Doing some great stuff. Well, there’s this work with the symbols that you participated in. Then they’re doing, they’ve done some great stuff with remote viewing, where they set up a remote viewing scene actually in the future, and they have the class sit and try to get a take on what’s in a closed box in a room in the future.
Randy Mead
And then what they found actually was that the people who, the number of people in the class who actually got direct hits on what it was, like a picture of dolphins, I think, in this box, when they photographed the room with the box in it, they got orbs, pretty much the exact same number of orbs as the number of students who did a correct remote viewing. So they’re convinced that those orbs are the consciousnesses of the students who got themselves into the room, saw the contents of the box, and reported back accurately.
Alan Steinfeld
Wow. That is a great study. That is brilliant. So we then send our consciousness as light into parallel dimensions or parallel timelines.
Randy Mead
Exactly, and are able to gather information and bring it back, much like what you’re saying in Damanhur, that that’s a sort of innate skill of ours.
Alan Steinfeld
Wow, well so I think that’s what the future when I asked you guys what does the future look like? It’s that once we go beyond survival, and the first three chakras that are involved in that, and we start to move to the heart chakra and the higher levels of consciousness, we start to tap into more subtle feelings and subtle facilities that we have as human beings. And we start to activate our greater creative mind and our ability to feel more things.
Hope Mead
Being humans, that’s one of the things that’s so wonderful that we cherish is being able to feel. And it’s very important now, I think, for people to use their sense of feeling, and to understand these senses that we have not been trained to understand or to work with.
Alan Steinfeld
Right, because we’ve been so wrapped up in our dramas and survivals we haven’t even given ourselves enough space to realize we have these other capabilities.
Hope Mead
That’s right.
Alan Steinfeld
And so your work and everything at the Ramtha School and this whole field is starting to gel and starting to go mainstream, and it’s very exciting.
Hope Mead
It is very exciting. James Gilliland is also in our movie, and of course he’s a UFO contactee who lives at the base of Mount Adams in Trout Lake. And again, that’s where we first discovered orbs.
Hope Mead
At first when we discovered them we thought they were only there because of all the UFO activity and because it was more open, as we say, to these beyond the third dimension. But then we began to see that that was just one of the places that they were. But it does substantiate again the idea that certain places are more open to other dimensions coming through right now.
Randy Mead
And then were they in our backyard all along, probably, did they follow us home from Mount Adams? I don’t know.
Alan Steinfeld
But also the thing about James’s land, I haven’t been there, but it’s like what I know is that these lights appear all the time there. Is there someone on this call?
Operator
Hello.
Alan Steinfeld
Hello. Are you… you cut out for a second.
Hope Mead
Oh, there was someone came in.
Alan Steinfeld
But just talk about James, what happens on James’s land?
Hope Mead
Well James has been there for quite some time. He has a retreat center. He has UFOs come over all the time.
Alan Steinfeld
What do they look like? ‘Cause I just seen lights over his land, right?
Hope Mead
Basically they’re lights, but what happens is they light, sometimes they come down low enough where you see lights, rings of lights within rings, or where it looks more like what you expect a ship to look like, with spinning lights and more physical looking. Although a lot of times they do just come in as balls of light. But what’s amazing is they’ll react to the people on the ground. James will take a laser, a high-powered flashlight, and flash three times, and suddenly the thing will stop dead in the air and flash back three times.
Hope Mead
Or, you know, just some real remarkable things. Sometimes the Air Force comes by quite frequently and chases them. And so many times you can see a ship, and a jet comes and the ship blinks out and the jet goes past and the ship blinks back in. There’s a whole very entertaining sort of hide-and-seek that goes on there between the Air Force and the ships.
Hope Mead
And sometimes they will come right down and people there have actually ducked because they thought they were going to take their hats off. I mean usually it’s lights up in the sky, but once in a while they get something really low and really spectacular.
Alan Steinfeld
Are they getting psychic communications as well from these ships?
Hope Mead
Well, he does. James seems to usually know when they’re coming in. He’ll say, “Oh, about 9:35 tonight,” and they’ll drift out and there’ll be a bunch of activity. You know, he was originally, he had a near-death experience, and he was a spiritual seeker. He wasn’t really looking for UFOs at all. And one day in his meditation he felt an incredible connection.
Operator
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Hope Mead
Yes, hi.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay, we just got, we just went off the air because we got disconnected for a second. But we can wrap it up and recap, but it’s just, you guys are just incredible explorers of consciousness.
Hope Mead
Well, we’re right there with you, Alan.
Alan Steinfeld
I know, but isn’t the world really exciting now that all these things that come, all these secrets, I mean, Sasquatch and UFOs and interdimensional beings. It’s just a phenomenal time.
Hope Mead
It is a phenomenal time to be alive and to be open to it all.
Randy Mead
I know, and we were so busy this summer, we just looked and saw what this summer’s crop circles were like. Oh my gosh.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, that’s another thing. Yes, do you see the one that has that doorway in it?
Hope Mead
Yes, I did, yes. And then the butterfly.
Alan Steinfeld
Beautiful.
Randy Mead
Yeah, boy, if this is being done by drunken farmers with boards on their feet. It says something about the human abilities that are more than I can imagine.
Alan Steinfeld
That’s a really good point. That’s really good. But you know, look at some of these… anyway. But they show you when it grows back the next year, there’s still some radiation that affects the growth of even a second generation of crop circles.
Randy Mead
Oh, that’s right. The genetics of the cereal is improved as well.
Alan Steinfeld
But also the crop itself still has some echo effect of the previous year’s crop circle.
Randy Mead
Really, you can see a shadow of the form.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, there’s some shadow of the form. And some of them, yeah. So it proves that, you know, it’s not a bunch of guys… I mean, the thing about all this is it’s really easy to believe that it’s nothing. I mean, it’s more comfortable to say, oh yeah, people are stomping down the crop circles with boards or that these are artifacts of a camera. You know, it’s much easier to be a sheep and to have someone tell you what to think as opposed to start to branch out and say, you know, I think there’s something more than what I’ve been told and I’m willing to take a trip into the unknown and see what comes of that.
Hope Mead
That’s right. Well, we really encourage people to take their digital cameras and have an orb experience for themselves.
Randy Mead
This is what’s fun. Almost everybody has a digital camera. You don’t have to go to England. You don’t need to do anything special. All you need is your camera and your mind, your intention, and you can play with this and see, do your own research in consciousness.
Alan Steinfeld
But I do find in the more expensive cameras there seems to be sort of a filter that blocks something out. Don’t you see that?
Randy Mead
Yeah, there is. There’s an issue of a hot filter, an infrared filter that they put in cameras and it does tend to be better on the more expensive cameras. That’s probably the main reason why cheaper and mid-range digital cameras seem to do better. Although there are certain higher-end cameras that seem to work well.
Alan Steinfeld
Really, what make of camera, not that we’re here to endorse any make, but what do you find? Because I find my Nikon really works well, but it’s a cheap mid-range camera.
Randy Mead
Yeah, boy, almost any mid-range camera works well. We’ve had good results with just about all of the major brands.
Hope Mead
Yeah, like Casio and Olympus and mid-range and they do great.
Randy Mead
Now, Mihal has a technique. He, and I haven’t really tested this, but he insists it works quite well, that it is partly the sensitivity to the infrared that allows it to happen. So he suggests that you take your television remote to the camera store. Make sure there’s batteries in the camera. And then without even photographing, if you can simply flash the remote into the lens of the camera and see a bright flare on the LCD, that means that it does not have a very effective infrared filter and it will in fact pick up orbs. So I suggest if you’re shopping for a camera…
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, that’s a good… I think that’s in the book, The Orb Project, that technique.
Randy Mead
I think that is in the book, yeah. And it seems like really good advice if you’re going to go buy a camera, you know, just annoy them a little at the camera store, bring your remote.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, it’s easy in New York. B&H Photo has about 20 different digital cameras displayed and you can just go right down the line and just test them all. But it’s been really great talking to you both.
Hope Mead
It was a pleasure, Alan.
Alan Steinfeld
And let me just let’s just say the film is called Orbs: The Veil is Lifting. Hope and Randy Mead created this and is it produced by Beyond Words Publishing?
Hope Mead
It’s produced by us actually.
Randy Mead
We produced it as a joint venture.
Alan Steinfeld
But they’re distributing it?
Randy Mead
They’re distributors and partners. It was a joint venture.
Alan Steinfeld
And do you have a website if people want to order the film?
Hope Mead
They should go to beyondword.com.
Randy Mead
Yeah, although it’s Beyond Words publishing, the website is www.beyondword.com. And they can order the films. We just got our first box today and so they can order it.
Alan Steinfeld
Well you must be very excited about that.
Hope Mead
Yes. And they can also see the trailer on the website.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, beyondword.com has a trailer.
Randy Mead
Yeah, so then there’s a short trailer for the film.
Alan Steinfeld
And there’s also a telephone number for Beyond Word or Beyond Words Publishing is 503-531-8700. And that’s sort of in conjunction with the book out by Beyond Words Publishing called The Orb Project written by Mihal Ledwith and Klaus Heinemann, who both are in your film.
Hope Mead
Yes. And Mihal will of course be joining us in New York as well.
Alan Steinfeld
That’s right. Mihal will be in New York along with Hope and Randy Mead on November 10th at the Synagogue of the Arts starting at 4pm at 49 White Street. I’m just going to give my telephone number if people want to pre-order tickets, it’s 212-473-6388 or email newrealities@earthlink.net. And you’re also going to be in Palm Springs this weekend, right?
Hope Mead
Correct.
Alan Steinfeld
It’s going to be the premiere of the film, huh?
Randy Mead
That is the official premiere of the film.
Alan Steinfeld
At the Prophet’s Conference. And I guess there’s a website for the Prophet’s Conference.
Hope Mead
Yes, they can go to the Prophet’s Conference.
Alan Steinfeld
Well great. I mean this is… I think we put out a lot of good information and I can’t see how anyone could be skeptical after hearing this.
Randy Mead
Well, people are skeptical if they want to be skeptical, it’s the beauty of it.
Alan Steinfeld
But there’s probably going to be a couple of hundred people coming to Palm Springs for the conference, right?
Hope Mead
Yes, we look forward to it. There’s going to be a lot of great speakers. Nancy Burson will be there and Shelley Yates who did…
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, Shelley Yates, that’s a story that’s…
Randy Mead
The actual conference is called Orbs and Light Beings, so we’re trying to be very inclusive.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh actually, maybe I’ll call the New York thing Orbs and Light Beings, but… because I think Nancy Burson is going to also be speaking in New York and she’s connected with what she calls extraterrestrials. So that’s a different take on orbs, but… but Shelley Yates, see if we can get her into… to come to New York. She is amazing.
Hope Mead
That is right. I know that’s an amazing story, isn’t it?
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, just mention if she’d like to, she would really add to the program and you know, just put it out there. I mean…
Hope Mead
Okay, we will.
Alan Steinfeld
But thank you. And now is there any way to get in touch with you guys?
Hope Mead
Yes, you can go to our website, which is toolsfortranscendence.com.
Alan Steinfeld
toolsfortranscendence.com. And do you have anything besides the film on there?
Hope Mead
Well, there are a lot of photographs that people could instantly be looking at, wet their whistle for what’s about to come.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh good. Oh good. So, I just think we are moving into new times. The dimensions are thinning. We are lifting our vibration. Time is slowing down and speeding up at the same time. And I think the technologies that are coming along and this shifting consciousness, we will not recognize the world for now and probably by 2012.
Randy Mead
Yeah, that’s what I wanted to say too. Whatever I think it’s going to look like, I’m probably missing by half at least.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, it really is the unknown. When Ramtha says we’re here to make known the unknown, we are moving into new territory.
Hope Mead
Yes, we are.
Randy Mead
Yeah, and that’s part of the excitement. If we knew what it was, it wouldn’t be such an adventure.
Alan Steinfeld
That’s right. So, but at least it seems like we’re on the right track, doesn’t it?
Hope Mead
It feels like it. It feels like it to me. And it’s important that we all keep our optimism and move forward with joy.
Randy Mead
And this is positive. This is good stuff. Like Hope said, you know, there’s a lot to worry about or whatever, but there’s a lot to be really thankful for and joyful about right now, too.
Alan Steinfeld
Absolutely. I mean, I think the orbs are a sign that things are… good things are happening and we’re definitely in a shift of vibration.
Randy Mead
And by the way, that is the implied message, even if it’s not direct. The implied message, of course, is we’re not alone.
Alan Steinfeld
Right.
Randy Mead
You know, we’re not.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, that I think is a really good point, Randy, that you know this idea that we’re alone and that we’re a freak of nature or a glorious accident as the Darwinians say is false evidence because it separates us from our own divinity and our own source. And we’re not just some freak of nature. We are a part of the overall design.
Hope Mead
That’s right. Cosmic consciousness. In the 60s, everyone was talking about cosmic consciousness. And people used to think that you had to take drugs to get there, but you know you don’t. And what people saw, I think, when they were experiencing that in the 60s was a truth. And then the trick was to bring it back into their own lives and live that consciousness that they experienced in the moment.
Alan Steinfeld
Right, that’s true. And we don’t need drugs now. The drugs may have opened the doorways for some, but the door is open. We don’t have to keep opening the door.
Randy Mead
No, there’s something there.
Alan Steinfeld
We got to walk through that door. Well, thank you again. I look forward to meeting you both and we’ll be in touch.
Hope Mead
Okay, great. Yeah, we’d be excited to see you in New York.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, so November 10th, everyone come down to the Synagogue of the Arts, 49 White Street, three blocks south of Canal and call me for reservations 212-473-6388. I’m going to end with this song by Duke Williams and the Extremes called Masters of Light. And it’s kind of an out there song about the next dimension. Okay, I’ll talk to you guys soon.
Randy Mead
Great, Alan Steinfeld. Thanks. Goodnight.
Hope Mead
Much love. Goodnight.
Alan Steinfeld
Goodnight. Here, this is the song called Masters of Light. And Duke Williams actually had a lot of UFO experiences and he wrote this song as a rock musician. Okay, here it is.