New Realities, March 17, 2009
In this episode of New Realities, host Alan Steinfeld interviews Bill Homann, the caretaker of the world-famous Mitchell-Hedges Crystal Skull. Homann shares the fascinating history of the skull, from its discovery in Lubaantun (Belize) by Anna Mitchell-Hedges to its mysterious anatomical precision that defies explanation by traditional lapidary techniques. The conversation explores the skull’s connection to Mayan legends, the significance of the 2012 calendar cycle, and reports of metaphysical phenomena such as holographic images and energy fields. Homann also discusses his global travels with the skull and the potential shift in human consciousness.
Alan Steinfeld: Okay, it is New Realities with Alan Steinfeld, and that was a song called “The Song of the Soul” by Chris Williamson. Tonight, I have a program that I’ve been wanting to do for a long time because it’s about the crystal skull, the Mitchell-Hedges crystal skull. I am talking to the current owner of that skull, Bill Homann, and he will be coming to New York City April 4th, sponsored by the ARE Center of New York, and will be at the Community Church on, at 30, at 40 East 35th Street. If you want more information, uh, you can email me at newrealities@earthlink.net – .net. Bill, are you there?
Bill Homann: Uh, yes I am.
Alan Steinfeld: Okay, so let’s get into the story. Last I heard, um, well, this, this… well, the whole thing about the crystal skull is, um, supposedly from what I know, they were made by an, some kind of ancient, probably alien technology. Uh, describe how you think… well, describe what this looks like and how you think it was made.
Bill Homann: Okay, well, I’ll tell you, the Mitchell-Hedges skull is a very special, special thing because it is a, uh, anatomically correct skull, life-size. They did a, uh, forensic study on it, uh, back in the 90s and determined that it was a Mesoamerican female of ancient origin between 25 and 29 is what they determined. Uh, it, uh, it’s pretty amazing. It’s just, it’s something you have to see to really, uh, get the full value of it. But how it was made, uh, it’s pretty, it’s amazing how to say who made it or when they made it. It’s… there’s a lot of, uh, uh, beliefs by the ancient people or the different, uh, uh, groups of Maya or different people that have ideas.
Alan Steinfeld: Wait, wait, let me just back up. Bill, one second, I just want to get something straight. When you described it as a skull that’s… you mean a similar human skull would, would be as if it was someone who was 29 years old from a Mesoamerican background? Is that what you’re saying? Because this is made of all crystal. And so if they were to take that and make it and have it as bone, they’d kind of trace it back to what you just described.
Bill Homann: Uh, that’s correct.
Alan Steinfeld: That’s amazing they can actually do that. Go ahead.
Bill Homann: Yeah, what… yeah, that’s the amazing part is, is that it is anatomically correct. And it is in two pieces. The, the top half of the skull and the jaw is separate. And that, what is kind of amazing because that’s another, uh, reason that it’s, it should not even be here because, uh, crystal being very hard and then trying to carve, uh, the jaw separate is just like, how did they do it? And uh, so that technology—
Alan Steinfeld: Well, because it wasn’t done by machines. There was no technology and, and of course they can’t trace how old it is because it’s crystal, there’s no way to carbon date it, right?
Bill Homann: Uh, that’s correct. Yeah. Uh, yeah, just go by the different feelings and legend. You go… the, the Mayans believe that the, the skulls were brought here, uh, from a continent that had sunk and brought by the people from that continent to, to their, uh, continent after, at the end of the third, uh, world as they call it, in the beginning of the fourth world.
Alan Steinfeld: So you’re saying this is Atlan—or this… the Mayans say we, we might call it Atlantean or Lemurian? Is that what they’re saying the crystal skull is?
Bill Homann: Uh, yeah, I would… I’ve been working with, uh, the Mayans in the area of Lubaantun. They’re a very special group of Mayans and they, uh, going by the beliefs from the high priests and different things, that’s pretty much what they have told me is that they believe that where it’s came from. Because it was found by F.A. Mitchell-Hedges and his daughter Anna in 1924. They found it in a pyramid in a site in, uh, in a place called, uh, Lubaantun, which is in now Belize, which was in British Honduras. And uh, it was buried in the pyramid for over a thousand years when they opened it up in 1924. So how it got there or who put it there, there’s a lot of, uh, different speculation. So it makes it pretty, pretty interesting.
Alan Steinfeld: Oh, can you back up one second also and tell us how you came into possession of this, uh, you know, priceless artifact, really?
Bill Homann: Uh, well, what it is is, uh, I would always had a, a deep interest in adventure and that has always been kind of a, a center point of my life. And, uh, I heard about the crystal skull way back in the, in the late 60s and, uh, through an article. And, uh, I, I was kind of mesmerized by it and I thought it was just… I just felt there was something special about it. And I was hoping someday to be able to see it. And back in, in, in the, in the late 70s, I heard about the crystal skull being in Canada and, uh, contacted, uh, Anna Mitchell-Hedges, who had… who was, uh, the current owner of the skull, and she invited me up to see it. And we became good friends and over the years, I was able to take her on different… when she went on lectures and different things, I was able to help her. And we got to be good friends and I was able to be taught by her, uh, what to do with it, how to take care of it. And, uh, she… in her last part of her life, uh, she lived to be a hundred years old, she spent the last eight years with me in Indiana where I was living at the time and, uh, she, you know, completed the education of what she expected with the skull, what she wanted done with it, and how, how it’s, uh, how the secrets, the different secrets of the skull that she was taught by the Mayan people. So, uh, giving me, uh… she passed away in, on my birthday in 2007, uh, and passed it on to me to carry on her tradition, what she wanted done with it was bringing it out so people can see it, experience it. Not everyone, but the people that are drawn to it. It’s a pretty amazing thing because people are drawn to it from all over the world and I try to make that available that if they do want to see it—and that’s why I feel New York is a good place that, that, uh, you know, I love to be out there and make it available for the people that find it interesting that would like to experience the energy and, uh, the crystal skull.
Alan Steinfeld: Oh yeah, I’m very excited by it because of… I, I know there’s magic in there because, you know, one of what I… I heard an old interview with, um, with what was it? Mitchell-Hedges, uh, the daughter, what was her first name? Margaret?
Bill Homann: Anna.
Alan Steinfeld: Anna Mitchell-Hedges. And she talked about, uh, well, really the ability of, of visionaries to look into this skull and start to see pictures. And then I, I saw actually a photograph of the skull and I started to actually see pictures just in the photograph of the skull. Different shapes sort of coming to life as if like what crystal ball gazers do. I started to see that. Is that one of the magic, um, elements of the skull that you’re aware of?
Bill Homann: Yeah, there is… there’s a several things that, uh, skulls have different abilities put in them. And this one definitely, uh, it’s always neat when you take a picture because you never know what you might get. When I was on, uh, back in Australia a few months ago, uh, someone took a picture and they showed it to me and it, it had a whole like a city in it and you had people along the side of the road and people sitting down and all kind of things like that and, and it just appeared in the, in the skull. So, uh, and other times you might take a picture and it might be like an outer space picture. There’s pictures of the skull that you could probably line up to different constellations and stuff and, uh, probably ones that, you know, you’d have to really study to try to find out which ones they were, but there’s things that just appear in the skull and, uh, that’s, that’s pretty, uh, pretty neat. Especially when you take a picture, you, uh, you are… you can be really surprised with what might come out of it.
Alan Steinfeld: I know, and does it… you think those pictures are based on the consciousness of the person looking at it or the consciousness of the photo or something that the skull is actually trying to communicate with us at this time?
Bill Homann: I think it’s… there’s a communication there to what the person needs. It seems like what it does is it mirrors the person’s inner, uh, self and you don’t always really… like, you might say that, “Oh, I wish I could do this or I wish I could do that,” but that’s just on the outside, but your real inner self might have a need for something else. And the skull kind of goes into the inner self and mirrors that inner self and brings that out. And, uh, so I, I think it’s that more that type of a, a picture.
Alan Steinfeld: So what other magic proper—I would call them magic—but what else did, um, uh, Anna Mitchell-Hedges tell you about the skull, um, in this, um, new course of bringing it public?
Bill Homann: Okay, well, uh, what it is—and a lot of it has to do with the time we’re living right now. We’re living in a very special, special time and it’s a, a time of, uh, of great change and everything, but there’s a lot of possibility for really good things. And, uh, the, uh, the Mayans believe, uh, they have a, their calendar. There’s a number of different races and, uh, of people that have the same belief that the, uh, that the Mayan calendar and the time of it is very important. And, uh, 2012 is a time that’s becoming more and more in people’s minds. And the crystal skull is very much with the Mayan tradition, a part of that, uh, prophecy and what’s going to happen. And, you know, a lot of people feel doom and gloom, the end of the world or whatever, but really the Mayans believe that it’s the end of a cycle, a 26,000-year cycle, and they see it as a tree. They see it as a tree and for the last 26,000 years, we’ve been in the roots of the tree and now in, in 2012, we’re going to go from the roots into the trunk. So I see it as going from being in the, in the dark into the light. So that being the case, it sounds pretty good to me. So I’m ready… I’m ready for something good.
Alan Steinfeld: But how did the skull actually communi– I mean, it’s just, you know, crystal. How did it actually communicate something about 2012? What was the mechanism of that exchange?
Bill Homann: Okay. Uh, what it is is different, uh, people that created it and they must, they must have a, a knowledge, uh, greater than, than us. It’s made out of piezoelectric quartz crystal, the same kind of crystal that you use for computers. And so there’s a possibility of, of storing knowledge in it at a rate or a type that we don’t really understand. But according to what they believe, there’s some type of knowledge stored in it that could be brought out and uh will be brought out in the, in, you know, as the time becomes closer.
Alan Steinfeld: But… okay, but let’s, um–
Bill Homann: I feel–
Alan Steinfeld: So I mean, who’s bringing out? I mean, how is it being brought out of the skull? And what’s… I mean, who’s interpreting the messages?
Bill Homann: Okay. Uh, it’s not just a, a one-way thing. There’s a lot of different things that are happening and, uh, you know, if you would, uh, kind of follow my, my path over the last, uh, year and a half or whatever, it’s kind of an amazing journey because it’s a nonstop type of action of evolution that I’ve been on. Uh, you know, I could tell you, you know, uh, my, you know, how it’s been happening. It’s just, uh, it’s pretty much like, uh, uh, it’s like you have to see it to believe it. It’s pretty wild.
Alan Steinfeld: Well describe some of it. Go ahead. Tell us about it cause it’s, it’s fascinating.
Bill Homann: Okay, well… okay, like in uh, just my schedule is I went from, uh, in September I did a, a lecture and then in September I was in Sedona. Then right after that, two days later, I went to Australia. I was in Australia going around working with Aborigines, working with some of the Aborigines at some of these energy—they call them sun lines. We call them energy lines in the earth and they… there was some that were blocked and the skull works really good with energy and it works on these sun lines or energy lines to balance it out and open them up. So with the help of the Aborigine elders, they… we were able to open up energy lines that connect a place called, uh, Mount Warning all the way through to Mount Man… Mount Machu Picchu in Peru. It was all… it was the one that was blocked and we were able to open that up and uh, it was… so they were all excited about that. So we did that in, uh, in October and then I… at the end of October, I went to, uh, Argen–tina and I was down there. Then I went to Brazil and I worked with a, a healer by the name of John of God which–
Alan Steinfeld: Oh, you worked with John of God on the cell… on the skull? With the skull?
Bill Homann: I worked… well, kind of an interesting story. I was uh down with… down there with, uh, with some friends and we were working on some energy stuff down there and I was in line, I had the skull in a bag cause I couldn’t just leave it. I had to have it with me. And I was… and I put it down to be in line and he looked at me and he said, “I want to see it right now.” I said, “What?” And he pointed at the bag. I said… and I said about three times and he, he just, he was really adamant. So I brought it up to him, opened it up and he grabbed it and took it out and held it and he said, “Where did you get it? Where are the other ones?” And then he said, uh, that uh, it came from a, a place that had sunk under the sea. And uh…
Alan Steinfeld: Wow.
Bill Homann: And then it started… he said several things like that, but I have tremendous respect for John and uh I’ve… John of God and I really want to uh, you know, with the skull and with whatever I have be able to work with him and his energies cause I think it’s an important thing for where we’re at in the planet right now.
Alan Steinfeld: But okay, but let’s um–
Bill Homann: No, but before you get onto that. Yeah, go ahead.
Alan Steinfeld: Yeah.
Bill Homann: And then after that it went… I went to, uh, Scotland and then worked around… did worked on energies in Edinburgh and then went and then went to uh Rosslyn Chapel with the skull and then came back and then went to Brazil or Belize and worked down in Belize with a Mayan high priest and then came back and then went to Arizona, did uh some work with some Monroe In… Institute people on uh remote viewing then uh went to uh… uh heck what was it after that? I mean, it’s just like one thing after another and it–
Alan Steinfeld: So you’re sort of tracking… you’re creating like a, a power grid or something. You’re gridding the planet with uh the skull.
Bill Homann: Well what’s happening is it’s moving me to these different places that I’m like I’m being drawn to like I was down in the area of Bermuda Triangle in, uh, January and that was a… there was something good to do down there. And it’s… I don’t know how that works, but I’m just… and I feel that New York City’s kind of an important place with all the things that are happening that, uh, to bring the skull. So for some reason, I’m, I’m going to be out there to try to do what I have to do and you know, I don’t even really understand it.
Alan Steinfeld: Well, uh, let’s definitely do a television show while you’re… when you’re here because I, I do mostly television, but I do this radio program too because it’s just another way to reach people, but um, I’m really excited about seeing it. Let’s talk about these other skulls. Uh, you know, that Sp– you know, Spielberg made that movie recently about the crystal skull and they’re supposedly bringing these 12 skulls like… like you have together will create some sort of uh energetic field around the earth. Is that true?
Bill Homann: Well, I, I don’t really have all the answers. All I do is I go by a lot of what the, the ancients uh have to say and how they’re… what their beliefs are. But they believe that there are uh a total of 13 skulls and really what I feel that they don’t have to be all found and brought to a certain place. I think they were put at the proper place and all we have to do is find the ones that have been found and move them back to where they were originally found. And I think by that will align the energy right in to where we have to do it. But that’s what I’m just kind of has come to me now and I’m not, uh, you know, hopefully by 2012 I’ll have it all figured out, but I’m working on it so.
Alan Steinfeld: Wait, have you met Max? The crystal skull called Max?
Bill Homann: Uh see, I’ve… I uh know about Max but I’ve never met uh Max, no.
Alan Steinfeld: It’d be interesting to put those two skulls together, see if there was some kind of electrical frequency that happened or, or something.
Bill Homann: Yeah. I think they… they’ve been together uh back in the either the 80s or 90s, but that was the last time. So uh, no I have… you know, Max is a is a very special skull and I have respect for it. There’s a lot of other ones that are… and each one seems to have a certain uh program in it that it does certain things. So they’re not all the same. So that’s kind of interesting.
Alan Steinfeld: So what does yours do? The Mitchell-Hedges skull?
Bill Homann: Uh, well, what it does is it works on the heart of man and it opens the heart to like a universal love. A universal love that all things are created, not just uh mankind, but animal life, plant life, uh, you know, the earth itself and all are connected and it works on bringing out that connection, opening people up to the fact that, hey, we… it’s a time for change. It’s a time to work in that more positive consciousness. So the, the skull is very important in that. So one thing, when you meet the skull or come to see it, you feel it very uh strongly, usually right in your heart chakra. That’s what’s vibrating the most. And it also works on a special place in the, in the human brain that’s kind of a dormant spot and it makes that vibrate and once you meet it and see it, it has that effect that uh you’re never… uh you kind of open up to, you know, it changes your life in a really neat way.
Alan Steinfeld: Wow, that’s fantastic. It, it probably has what they call a mirror neuron effect or something where it stimulates a kind of mechanism by… by just the kind of resonance that our skull has with that skull.
Bill Homann: A frequency. I think it, yeah, I think it’s a special frequency, yeah, that has that. And uh, so it’s, it’s pretty, pretty amazing. Uh I usually, you know, I like the people to, to get the energy and feel the energy because it, it kind of they take it with them and it, and it helps them. It’s a, it’s a healing thing. So I like to be able to do that for people.
Alan Steinfeld: So if this came from some ancient civilization, maybe Atlantis, how old would you say this skull is from what you can guess?
Bill Homann: Yeah. Well, I can, you know, I can only go by what they say and they say… they give me a uh they say 17,000 years old. Uh you know, it could be… there’s with the skull, if you, if you read about it, there’s all different people and they have all different theories. Uh, but I usually go by uh uh like what people like John of God and other of the, of the different uh masters that have that ability to uh kind of feel… like I worked with uh Grandfather Martin who was the prophet for the Hopi Nation and another person that I have great love and respect for and uh, and it was his feeling too and that’s, that’s the kind of uh thing I go with.
Alan Steinfeld: Have you ever had any um museums or people try to buy it or authorities try to get it from you? Have you had any things come up like that?
Bill Homann: Uh let’s see. Well, uh the skull has all kind of protections. It protects itself quite well. Uh and it’s has a purpose of what it’s doing. And then uh and I’m just more or less it’s like I’m the, the dummy that walks around and is and uh doing what it’s supposed to do, but I uh I do the, you know, I, I believe in what it’s, it’s doing for the planet and helping the world and I think the world is at a point that we can’t uh not be serious about uh moving ahead and trying to work in higher consciousness and and realizing that we’re all connected and if we we can do that, uh then there’s a chance for mankind to move to a really beautiful future. That’s what I feel.
Alan Steinfeld: I, I, that, that feels right too. But uh, do you think there’s some kind of intelligence emanating from the cell… the skull or is there uh an intelligence sort of um directing the skull from another dimension?
Bill Homann: Uh, I think it’s… that would be a hard one to, to say, but I think the skull has is an entity or there must be some kind of entities living inside it or whatever is what I, I can I feel being around it. I feel… you know, I don’t feel it–
Alan Steinfeld: You feel a presence in the… when you’re with… I mean, I guess you’re always with it so you’re always in touch with a presence, huh?
Bill Homann: There’s a presence there. Yeah, you feel the presence, right.
Alan Steinfeld: And is the presence psychically communicating with you or just showing you pictures. I guess with John of God and other people, it’s, it’s a sort of psychic communication, right?
Bill Homann: It communicates uh with yeah, well, I’ll tell you kind of an interesting thing when I was in uh… well, several places, but when I was in uh uh Australia, I worked with uh this doctor that developed what they called a PIP camera. And the PIP camera has the ability to uh see… what it does is it uh it uh times uh the timing of protons bouncing off of a different object, you know, could be skin, could be whatever. And it is able to uh by uh frequency would change the color so you can see energy. And it uh it’s pretty amazing we we played with it. I was able to like uh I do martial arts, so I was… I know how pressure energy runs through the body so I was able to touch a pressure point and see with the machine the energy stopping and backing up and then hit another pressure point and seeing the energy move. So it was pretty interesting. Now we used the skull, we had the skull sitting on a… in a coffee table and he was looking at it with the PIP machine. And you could see the skull and there was another skull that formed underneath it like an etheric skull.
Alan Steinfeld: Wow.
Bill Homann: And then they moved over. I uh sat down and I put my hands on it and then the skull the one underneath kind of went into the one uh above so there was just the one skull and then it was like white light and then my body started filling up with this white light and pretty soon the whole thing more or less uh like almost like it seemed like exploded and there was like a cone coming out the top of my head with like a rainbow of colors shooting out and he’s got that on uh he’s got it on his video so he was… he was seeing things that he didn’t believe that was even possible. We took the skull over to the PIP camera and showed the, the you know the screen to the skull and you could see the uh… well the skull, the third eye started spinning and it… the uh the PIP camera the system, the computer itself got kicked out of the system, which it never happened before and it just and uh he was like, but you could see the third eye the skull recognizing itself in the thing, which was kind of wild. So yeah, I don’t understand it. I just kind of go with it, but it’s a pretty amazing thing.
Alan Steinfeld: That’s fantastic. It’s amazing. I really… I’m… you’re getting me very excited about being in the presence of this thing, this uh being. I guess it’s more like a being than, than a, than a thing.
Bill Homann: I’m going to bring some of the, the PIP uh footage with me and I think you might find that very interesting. We were like doing a meditation uh at the uh at one of the uh uh cities I was going through and I was up there with the skull and he had the PIP camera and there was like energy coming out and you could see the energy circulating through everybody in the whole audience and it was so… it’s pretty amazing how that worked and he has that on, on film too so.
Alan Steinfeld: So you have a tape of… you have a videotape of that? You’re saying PIP, P-I-T camera? How do you say?
Bill Homann: Uh P-I-P. P-I-PIP. It’s uh proton, it’s like a photon camera is what it is. And it’s uh oh heck my uh doctor uh–
Alan Steinfeld: That’s okay.
Bill Homann: I’ll probably think of the name in a minute.
Alan Steinfeld: But no, you if you have…
Bill Homann: Yeah.
Alan Steinfeld: You have video footage of that, let’s when we do our television interview, let’s show some of that uh video footage uh if, if you don’t mind. And um–
Bill Homann: Right.
Alan Steinfeld: I think…
Bill Homann: Oh it’s yeah. It’s Dr. Harry Old… Oldfield is the one that uh he developed. He’s the scientist that developed the camera. So you might want to look at something about that. It’s pretty interesting. He’ll… if you look at it, he has a lot of pictures of the skull and some of the strange stuff he got. So.
Alan Steinfeld: Uh. So what do you see? I mean, yeah, this is a time for planetary change and for humanity to evolve and open the hearts and this skull is here as, as a kind of um caretaker of our evolution or a way of to help us evolve through its consciousness?
Bill Homann: Well the Mayans believe that the skulls come to out at a time of great change and need in the world. And that’s uh possibility why it’s here. We’re at a a major point that we’re at right now where a chance of a great possibilities for mankind. Uh a chance of really moving ahead uh like a quantum leap in to a higher uh consciousness. And I think the possibility that the skull could be uh something, you know, if the Mayan prophecy is right, something to do with that. So the skulls are very important in that.
Alan Steinfeld: Now, how is the skull connected to extraterrestrial civilizations, ET contacts? Because I, I think I saw like a spaceship in the Mitchell-Hedges skull once or a photograph of that. Um is there any connection?
Bill Homann: Like there is a… they usually when they take a picture underneath they can usually see a either one or a several different flying saucers the way the picture shows up. So there… there’s certain pictures that show up in certain parts. But uh how that… how that goes and what the connection is, I think that that connection is going to be brought out uh very strongly more to understand it in the next several uh years. I think that’s part of the… it’s, it’s an evolution that’s going to be coming out now.
Alan Steinfeld: So in a way, this is really a tool for psychics and intuitives and there’s… there’s a sort of uh information feedback that’s coming from this intelligence that, that sensitives will be able to kind of almost dialogue with. Is… are you saying that as well?
Bill Homann: Uh yeah, people that are uh you know sensitive and people are becoming more sensitive now that we’re coming into this age, uh psychability is becoming you know greatly enhanced and as that happens, they’re able to connect with the skulls more readily that skulls come to people and it will happen is probably before I come to New York, there’ll be a number of people that will have uh experiences with the skull coming to them and uh whatever depending on… even people that don’t even know they’re psychic will have that experience because I, I find all kind of like uh lectures I go to people come and say, “I don’t… didn’t know anything about skulls but this skull appeared to me and I feel I should be here.” So I’m here. And that’s I get that sometimes so.
Alan Steinfeld: I, I’m feeling that myself. So you’re saying even before you get here to New York, people are going to have an experience of the skull like a communication and an opening. That’s… that’s… that’s fantastic.
Bill Homann: Yeah. Not every one but the people… it’ll be a good number of them, yeah.
Alan Steinfeld: No, I know not everyone. But I actually feel a connection to the skull, the Mitchell-Hedges skull. I’ve seen a lot of… well not a lot, but I’ve seen a few crystal skulls that I didn’t resonate with and when I heard about this in the 80s, I guess it was, I wasn’t… there a guy Nick Nocerino who was connected with this skull?
Bill Homann: Uh yeah, back in the 80s, Nick did some tests on the skull. He did a lot of different tests and uh uh and I think he wrote a book about it and uh Frank Dorland wrote a book called Holy Ice and that was probably one of the best books as far as the knowledge of the Mitchell-Hedges skull and what’s, you know, what it’s really all about. But uh there’s there was different people that were had a chance to study it and Nick was one of the people that studied in 1987.
Alan Steinfeld: Right. I heard him speak on the radio, I guess when I heard um Anna Mitchell-Hedges talk about being a child in Mexico. But as, as soon as I heard about it and saw pictures of it, I did feel a resonance with the skull like it… like there was something of some kind of communication in that. So I’m very curious about, about seeing that and and having an experience in… because I’ve also developed whatever intuitive abilities I, I think this is… this is something that’s just accelerating everyone who probably comes in contact with it. Um.
Bill Homann: Well, I just going to say that some people are really drawn to it. You know, you might have a hundred people and of that the ones that are really drawn to it uh have that connection and it’s you know, I feel that you have that connection and I think it will really be something that you will gain a lot from in the in meeting it. So I’ll be I’ll be glad to… I think you’ll really enjoy the experience of it because it’s once you see it, you’ll never forget it. It’s something that stays with you.
Alan Steinfeld: Well I’m excited about it. But doing a television and doing a television show and showing it on camera, I think people will get a transmission by just seeing that visually. I mean if they can’t see it, you know, in person, but you know by having that that will be really exciting for people. And then I’ll be able to even put it out in a bigger way on YouTube and on television. So we can start to um really spread whatever this… because it’s a it’s a very positive force. Don’t you feel that?
Bill Homann: Oh yeah, that’s uh you know, we need positive things in the world right now, that’s for sure. And uh, you know, a lot of things are based on fear and and uh negativity and we want to open it up to to more of the joy and the hope and the possibility of good things in the future. And that’s what the what the message of the Maya and the and the message of the skulls are that there is a there is a possibility that hey, we got a lot of… we can reach this this higher uh consciousness that is right there and it’s within our reach. So.
Alan Steinfeld: So what do you think… do you think the 2012 date, the December 21st is an actual date of a shift or is it a kind of approximate day? I mean I know they say that the calendar ends, the old calendar ends and a new calendar begins, but do you think it’s a that exact date a transition will happen?
Bill Homann: Okay, well a lot of their stuff is within three seconds of being correct. So uh even after all this period of time. So they’re they’re pretty good at what they do. Uh what it is is it’s the… it’s the time when our galaxy and the planets line up with the center of the universe. That’s what happens every 26,000 years. And when that happens, then there’s a lot of things that could affect the planet. In fact, you know, they talk about pole shifts and everything. We don’t know exactly what’s going to happen, but the scientists are starting to recognize what is happening and the possibility that could happen. So uh I think with working with energies in the skulls by balancing out the energy in the world, there’s a good chance that you know, we’ll… you know, it’s like if you are out of balance and something happens, you can really go out of control. Uh so what the what the Hopi say uh is the way uh the gods will be in the past they they shook one fist and destroyed the world. Uh they say that they possibly could shake two fists this time or if mankind can reach this consciousness to open up to you know, open up their hearts to to uh unfreeze the hearts of man and open that up, there’s a good chance that we can go through it very peacefully and into the new millennium, the new time period very uh easily which I, I’d really like to see myself. I want to go through and and say, “Hey, was that… that really happened? Was that uh…” I don’t want to… I don’t want anything too bad happening. So.
Alan Steinfeld: Well I’d like to see that too. But uh is there a certain thing… I mean yes, opening the hearts and lots of people. But is there a certain thing we can do to actually make that happen? Uh is there a certain technique or?
Bill Homann: Uh you know what, I think uh it’s, it’s happening all over the world and people are becoming more consciousness of uh you know of their self, their fellow man. See what it is is uh the world evolves in a spiraling thing, it keeps spiraling. That’s evolution. And what has happened is we’ve kind of put a cap on the top of it with control of, of fear that has been spread between mankind and putting down uh the female energy in the planet where it’s been beat down instead of making it so it should be equal with the male energy. There should be a balance of yin and yang. It shouldn’t be one side is real big and the other side’s pushed down. And the women uh energy has to take responsibility for what they are. They are the priestess and the men are the priests to keep the energy uh balanced and even. And if, if that happens, then there’s a chance that we can you know, we can keep evolving. But if, if everything’s pushed down and repressed and and work with fear and hate, uh there’s the only choice we have is destruction because that’s there’s no no chance to to grow through it. But I see that there’s a lot of good things happening that we are opening up to this higher consciousness and and believing that uh you know and allowing that female energy prop coming through. That’s we’re at an age this is the age where that energy has to come has to be more prevalent and more powerful and more equal to uh the male if that happens uh there’s a good chance that a lot of uh a lot of the bad things that could happen will not happen.
Alan Steinfeld: Well it’s interesting that the skull is a female skull as well, isn’t it? So there’s a female consciousness that’s emanating from it.
Bill Homann: And I think it, it changes with the the period of time we’re in, but since that’s the time we’re in right now, I think that’s why it’s that energy is coming through that way. So I you know, hey, I’m still learning. I’m just uh you know, I like I you know, I love learning, I like learning new things. I’m not I don’t have the answers. I’m just uh kind of on a quest here and uh uh I think that–
Alan Steinfeld: It’s a fascinating quest. Yeah.
Bill Homann: Yeah. I think, you know, I believe that if uh the spirits are right, I’ll be in the proper place and the people will be in the proper place that this will come through this with uh uh with a way to be able to, hey, we got a smile on our face and a smile on our hearts and hey, we’re you know, we’ve done it. So let’s go for the let’s go for the gold. Let’s have some fun along the way. So.
Alan Steinfeld: Right. But I mean, we have to get rid of the wars and the destruction and the hatred and the violence and all the things. But that that’s happening. I think, you know, we have a president perhaps who’s who’s um, you know, at least a turn in the right direction and um, I think things are changing. So I think we do have a chance at going for the gold and and uplifting the culture and evolving consciousness. I mean, that’s why I do this program is because I know there’s a shift in the way people are thinking and listening to you and to other people who are bringing this message is how we are changing the planet together.
Bill Homann: Yeah, I think that’s what each one of us kind of do our little part and by putting the little pieces together, we’ve kind of made the puzzle and it’s so it’s kind of a it’s exciting thing. So and we’re we’re kind of uh I feel though that it’s it’s important not to say, hey, let’s do what we’re going to do next week or next month. It’s we got to start on this this quest and on this process today and keep on it because it’s it’s very important to uh to be able to uh to uh follow through. What we do is is affects so much. And I I realize if we can raise the consciousness of a small group of people, filling those people with uh universal love in their heart, it’s a very strong force that can can work on healing the people and the planet.
Alan Steinfeld: Well, we’re doing that. How long are you going to be in New York for on around April 4th?
Bill Homann: Uh just for a couple days. Yeah.
Alan Steinfeld: Are you going to do private sessions with the skull?
Bill Homann: Uh not too many, but I’ll do some. Yeah. I’ll be doing some private sessions. I I like to work with uh meditations groups with the skull. Uh we found that with that PIP camera when you do meditations, it it really uh has a neat effect. So hopefully we’ll get some uh really good opening clearing meditations and that’ll that’ll be kind of neat.
Alan Steinfeld: That that’ll be really exciting. No, I I’m I think you bringing it all over the planet and you’re going to keep going, right? From New York, you’re going uh someplace else, right? After that? You’re you’re on a world tour, right?
Bill Homann: Yeah. Well, I’ve been I’ve been doing a lot of traveling, uh going quite a few places and uh uh yeah, just it just kind of goes where it needs to so to speak. Uh I’m going to try to what I’ve kind of come to the the feeling now that I might uh I like Sedona, Arizona and I think that might be a home base for the skull because if I go out and do these lectures and maybe I only meet, you know, maybe 100 people, 500 people, whatever, uh but if I in Sedona, if it is a place where people can see and experience it, there’s uh 4 million people a year come to that area and that has special energies and stuff. So I would, you know, I’m to bring people to know more about uh FA Mitchell-Hedges, Anna Mitchell-Hedges life. FA Mitchell-Hedges uh you could do a, you know, books and books about his life, Anna’s life. They were very, very unique, very special people and they had a very special role in the world and what they, you know, and very few people know about them. So by bringing out some of the stuff about them, I’d like more and more people to understand their life and know, you know, what they were really all about. So that’s that’s one of my goals that I’m trying to to work on.
Alan Steinfeld: Wow, that would be great. I think it would be great to be in Sedona. You could like just set it up on in a kind of storefront and you know, people could pay like five dollars. You you’d be packed in Sedona. It would be it would add quite a presence to that city. I’ve spent a lot of time in Sedona and I’m familiar with the energetics there because um the iron, the red rocks create a magnetic field. So to put that skull in a huge magnetic field like Sedona will definitely it’ll definitely do something interesting, you know? Have you been to Sedona? Yeah?
Bill Homann: Oh yeah, I’ve been there a number of times and I’ve uh worked with the skull by Cathedral Rock on some of the uh some of the old Hopi property right on some of the, you know, like the summer solstices and the different uh equinoxes and different times of the year, the important times we did different ceremonies with the skull. Uh I tell you kind of tell you kind of an interesting story that I’d like to tell.
Alan Steinfeld: Yeah, tell me. Yeah.
Bill Homann: Uh see with the skull, different people are brought out. It’s kind of neat how it works. I did a uh a thing for the Sci-Fi channel last year well, year and it was uh, you know, right before the Indiana Jones was released and it was like the mystery of the skulls. It was for Sci-Fi. And what they did is they uh had me go all over Central and South Amer– Central America looking for uh just some crystal skulls and and meeting the people down there and following Mitchell-Hedges trail back through the different places. But uh there was a gentleman that saw this this movie and he he had a feeling that he needed to uh contact me and he needed to contact the skull. And he thought that’s ridiculous. He doesn’t know where I am or anything about it, the skull. And he forgot about it. That was but two weeks later I was going to this area to do a lecture and uh uh people that uh that were bringing me in uh were talking about uh Ray Brown’s orb. And Ray Brown’s orb was I think have you heard about that?
Alan Steinfeld: No. No.
Bill Homann: It was an orb that was found off the coast of Bimini back in the 70s.
Alan Steinfeld: An orb? What do you mean by an orb?
Bill Homann: Well a crystal ball. It was a little crystal ball that was found.
Alan Steinfeld: Oh, I I haven’t heard about that. Yeah.
Bill Homann: Yeah, what it was is it was kind of known back in the 70s and then uh Ray Brown passed away and he he passed on to his teacher and told him never to bring it out and never to show anybody till the right time. Well, uh the uh the gentleman had the orb and these people that were gonna bring me in started talking about it for no reason and the lady that uh was there said, hey, I know where it is but I can’t tell anybody. And they said, well, tell him, maybe he wants to know about the skull, he might want to see it. So she went to tell him and he was all excited cause he did want to see it and he was he didn’t think he ever would. So we brought the orb and the skull and we put them together uh on the the summer solstice at right at by Cathedral Rock and it was really a powerful thing. And uh the we have pictures, the skull turned white with a and had white energy shooting around it and the orb turned gold. And we have a picture of it and you can see it. I’ll bring along to show you. How’s that?
Alan Steinfeld: Wow. What happened? What happened there?
Bill Homann: Well, in our pictures, the skull turned blue and there was blue lights going all over the ground. And we had it in a uh uh conference room, the conference room was gold and the tablecloths were gold and we had the skull on the table and the orb and they took pictures with cameras and the pictures, you looked in through the viewfinder and everything was gold and the skull was okay and they took the picture and the walls turned blue, the tablecloth turned blue, and the skull turned blue and the ball and the orb turned blue. And they took numbers of pictures and every time. I have those pictures too are kind of interesting how that happened. But uh so you never know what’s going to happen with the skull and and with the orb was kind of neat. The the orb was found in a pyramid underneath the sea by these by uh Ray Brown. He was scuba diving out in that area and there was a big storm and after the storm they hit a well, they had to tie themselves to trees cause it was so bad. And after the storm they went diving and they saw at 125 feet a pyramid with a blue lapis capstone. And they went down to it and there was an opening and they went in it and it was light inside. It wasn’t dark. And they saw a gold spear with a red ruby stone on the end and there are two golden hands. And they tried to get the spear loose, they couldn’t get the spear loose, they tried to get the stone off, they couldn’t get it. But inside the hands there was a there was an orb and they picked it up and they had a like a voice said, you you got what you came for, now leave. And don’t come back. So they they got out of there quick and they left and the four other guys went back and they weren’t supposed to and they were mysteriously killed. And the only one left was Ray Brown, he had the orb. And then when he passed away, he passed it on to this gentleman. You might if you look on the web, there’s there’s still stuff wrote wrote about Ray Brown’s orb. So it’s kind of interesting.
Alan Steinfeld: I will look on that. I mean, as you’re describing this, it reminds me of when I was in India and there’s these things called these holy relics, which actually are manifestations from some divine realm and these relics do have these special healing abilities and these uh other psychic phenomena that happen around them. And this seems like a a major relic uh from some another dimension. Uh that’s what I’m getting is what you’re that’s what the feeling I’m getting.
Bill Homann: Well they they say the skulls are multi-dimensional and uh that’s why they they appear all over the place. So you uh you never know what might happen or what might get, but it’s always very positive and it’s always good for for mankind.
Alan Steinfeld: Well, Bill, I’m really, really looking forward to meeting you and of course the Mitchell-Hedges skull. Uh, I’m talking to Bill Homann who will be in New York on April 4th at a presentation that the ARE Center of New York, the Association for Research and Enlightenment, um will be doing at the church, the Community Church, which is at um 30 35 what is it? It is 40 East 35th Street in Manhattan. That’s between Park and Lexington. And the admission there is um $35. And if you pre-register, it’s $30 uh if you pre-register before March 21st. Um and you will be doing private sessions. If you want to call the ARE um to pre-register call 212-691-7690. Uh any final words Bill about anything Anna Mitchell-Hedges told you about the skull any special teachings that you just want to leave the audience with?
Bill Homann: Well, let’s see. Well, one of the things that Mitchell-Hedges would always say and I’ll just like to say that is a life without zest and adventure is a life not worth living. So he was a person that enjoyed adventure and he he took life into the fullest and I think uh that’s the a good way to you can have adventures in all different ways, but a matter of fact is to find life uh find out what you really want in life and go after it. That’s what uh that’s what uh makes uh the fullness of what we’re here really here all about. So have a good adventure and I’m looking forward to seeing you out there in in New York.
Alan Steinfeld: Well definitely, definitely. And thank you for the work. I mean you are truly a servant of consciousness it seems like. You’re just doing this because this is what needs to be done really. I mean um.
Bill Homann: Well you try to follow your heart and you know, that’s that’s what I believe in and if I believe in something, I go for it. And I’m doing doing the best I can, I’m still learning all the time. So having fun.
Alan Steinfeld: Well you seem like a very humble person, Bill.
Bill Homann: So I just enjoying it and doing the best you can do. That’s all you can do.
Alan Steinfeld: Well, thanks for talking uh on New Realities cause this has really been a new reality. And um I’ll report to people what my immediate impressions of the crystal skull are. Uh this is Alan Steinfeld for New Realities and if you want to reach me, email me at newrealities.com, check out my website where this interview will be posted as well as on BBSradio.com and also go to newrealities.com.
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