Time Travel Technologies with David Anderson

New Realities recorded July 27, 2010

Summary

Alan Steinfeld interviews David Anderson from the Anderson Institute about time travel technologies. Anderson discusses manipulating the time-space continuum using a time-warp field generator, which can accelerate, slow down, and even reverse time within a localized field. He explains the profound effects of such technology on the construct of reality and human consciousness, emphasizing the concept that we perceive the universe through the limitations of our own minds and senses. Furthermore, Anderson details the international scope of this research and stresses the urgent need for a global moral compass, transparency, and monitoring systems like Temporal Tremor Detectors to prevent the catastrophic consequences of unregulated time manipulation.

Transcript

Alan Steinfeld

Welcome to New Realities. My name is Alan Steinfeld, and each week on this program, I explore the nature of reality. One of the foundations of our reality is the idea of time. Tonight’s guest is going to be talking about time travel technologies. His name is David Anderson of the Anderson Institute. Welcome, David. Thanks for being a guest.

David Anderson

Alan, thank you so much. It’s such a pleasure to be here on New Realities.

Alan Steinfeld

Well, this is a subject I’m very excited about and fascinated about, how we can really, as it seems according to your website and interviews I’ve heard, how we can really travel through time. I mean, you’re saying it’s really possible to shift the nature of the time-space continuum, as they say.

David Anderson

Absolutely, yes. I think many people have realized that our focus is our reality, but what’s happening with the technology has been very amazing. We’ve been involved in this research for nearly 30 years now. And what’s really fascinating, and I’m sure today we’ll talk a little bit about the technology, but what’s most interesting coming out of what we’re learning in the laboratories is what it means to human consciousness and what it means to our very definition of reality and the paradigms that it creates and how we think about ourselves and our place in space and time. So as much as it’s about the technology, it’s also a very important issue what’s being learned as it affects human society and human consciousness as a whole.

Alan Steinfeld

Well, can you define time? I mean, Einstein said time is what we measure with a clock. And other people say there is no such thing as time because there’s only the present moment. So how would you give us a very basic definition of time?

David Anderson

Well, I think that is challenging because human society as a whole for almost two millennia has been struggling with that answer. We have the ancient beliefs of Hinduism, Buddhism, and Daoism that looks at either time as a circle or all time past, present, and future existing. We see the great philosophers, those that the entire world respects and admires, like Plato, who defined time first as the moving image of eternity. Later, Aristotle in the 4th century BC described it as a number of measure of motion. Plotinus later defined it more as the productive life of the soul, a little bit more of a metaphysical definition. But the best definition I’ve seen really has come from St. Augustine, who in the 4th century came up with a very new way of defining time. And it really holds today in our world of mathematics and physics. And his definition was very simple, is that time is an illusionary product of our mind.

Alan Steinfeld

Well, if that’s true, then how is it that you can manipulate something that’s an illusion of our mind, you know?

David Anderson

Well, I think the real question is, the real question becomes, our definitions of time. How do I want to say it? My favorite quote that we use with college students all around the world and anybody we speak to is, we don’t see our universe as it truly is, we see our universe as we are. And even having a conversation about time, in this culture, we think of time either linearly or time not moving. This concept that the past, present, and future exists all at the same time is very valid from a physical science standpoint. But the ability to move and to be able to look at that microscopic view of that particular dimension in the universe is what the technology addresses. But I think another important point for your listeners who may be skeptical, especially in the Western culture, a lot of people don’t realize that they define time through a combination of four things. Their biological evolution, their cultural evolution, through their senses, which are very limited and only sense a very microscopic part of this very beautiful macroscopic universe we live in. And the third is really the function of our human mind, which evolved as a very simple purpose. And if you ask a scientist who are experts in the field, there’s one single function of the human mind, and that’s to rationalize what it senses, the body’s senses perceive with the mind’s own belief system. And since the senses are limited, people don’t see it. So the idea that time moves or time stays still, it really is an illusion of the mind. And we even see cultures on the earth that treat time completely different from others.

Alan Steinfeld

But in developing your technology that can affect time, you must have had some standard you were using in order to manipulate this thing, however we choose to define it. So what were you calling it in your research?

David Anderson

Okay, in our research, we have many, many different approaches, but let’s use the Western approach for a moment. In the case of our experiments, we create what’s called a time warp field. A spherically closed, it’s essentially a spherical field within which time rates can be accelerated or slowed down. So for example, using a cesium-based clock, a reference clock outside of the field, the same reference clock inside the field, we actually can generate fields where the time rates inside the field move at a completely different rate than outside. Of course, that’s using the measure of oscillations of cesium as a reference frame. But there’s also…

Alan Steinfeld

So…

David Anderson

Yeah. And your question, Alan, is excellent. I love it because many people don’t ask this. It really is what is your reference? Time is also a function of our conscious energy as well. And that’s not an area where we are experts, just to let you know. We really are a collection of computer scientists, physicists, and mathematicians.

Alan Steinfeld

So you have a time warp generator, meaning when you put something in that, besides that cesium clock, whatever it is, can either be accelerated faster than the present time, or slower than the present time? Is that what happens there?

David Anderson

Yes, there’s essentially three things we can do. We can accelerate the rate of time inside the field, so the time inside the field moves faster than that outside. We can slow down the time rate inside the field, and a relatively new area, when I say relative, it’s only about eight years of experience now in the lab, we actually have the ability to reverse time rates inside the field itself.

Alan Steinfeld

Which is a very what?

David Anderson

Which has been a very challenging but a very eye-opening experience as we continue to learn more about the nature of time itself.

Alan Steinfeld

Reverse time rates, so like in H.G. Wells’s book, he sets a calendar to a certain date and he goes back to that time, or forward. Can you do something like that actually? Set a date and reverse the time rate, so you are actually, you know, 100 years in the past?

David Anderson

We can… a little bit of a longer answer, we can accelerate and slow down time rates, and we have done that in controlled experiments with living organisms, including people. With regards to reversing time rates, we can do that with a living organism. It is not something we’ve done with people because we do have a technical issue that we have to overcome. And that has to do with stability of the field when we reverse time rates.

Alan Steinfeld

Well, I’m still not understanding exactly what it means to reverse time rates. How can you say that in a simpler way?

David Anderson

Okay, a simple way, for example, we use do experiments where we actually put living organisms, plants, for example, or flowering plants inside the time warp field chamber. Not only can we accelerate the time rates where the plants will actually grow the equivalent of four days of growth, say, in 30 minutes of time, we actually can reverse time rates where the living organism actually regresses back in time, and we’ll see a flowering bud actually reverse and revert into its original bud or seedling.

Alan Steinfeld

So you’re saying… so people… I’m sorry, I’m just trying to get the picture. So people looking at this time warp generator field, standing outside of it, can see the bud that’s been blooming reverse back in, go backwards in time. Observing that.

David Anderson

That is absolutely correct. We’ve actually released some video of that that we use it in our live seminars where we share the results of the experiments that we have attained on that. As I mentioned though, a lot of people want to ask, well have you put humans in a reversed… in a time chamber sending them backwards in time? And the answer to that is no, we don’t, because of, again, a technical issue that has to do with stability of the boundary layer of the field.

Alan Steinfeld

Which… what does that mean exactly? The boundary layer of the field?

David Anderson

Well, let’s… maybe just a little bit of history. We began our work on this with the Time Technology Research Center back in the 1980s. In the 1990s, we built our first time warp field generator. One of the problems that we wrestled with through the entire 1990s was the fact that the boundary of the field, there’s time rates that are either moving faster or slower inside the field and the normal time rate outside. Across that boundary layer where the time rates change dramatically, we got like an effect of a Doppler effect. I think many of your listeners would know this. Like, for example, when an ambulance is coming towards you or a police car, the siren is very high pitched, and as it moves away, it drops dramatically. Essentially, the sound frequencies are either increased or decreased. In our boundary layer of the field where time rates changed, the frequencies were also increased or decreased. But in some cases, the increase would put the energy into an area of harmful radiation that was not healthy for a living organism. And it took us quite an amount of time, and that’s the boundary layer problem that we had. We solved that in 2002 with our third generation time warp field generator. But what we haven’t solved yet is when we reverse time rates, the fields tend to collapse and then reopen again. And as that moves through living tissue or living organisms, it’s not a desirable effect.

Alan Steinfeld

I see. Of course, everyone wants to know how is it that you’re actually generating this time warp field? Can you give us a hint? Can you talk about what the mechanism is?

David Anderson

Certainly, to some degree we can. Let’s talk about how we initiate a field. We actually have a chamber in which we introduce a chemical reagent. We use a high energy laser array with a very specific rotating electromagnetic field to generate and open the field. Once the field opens, which is quite a spectacular event, it collapses a little bit and then it stabilizes. Once it’s open…

Alan Steinfeld

What does it look like when the field opens, if you say it’s spectacular?

David Anderson

Oh, it’s quite spectacular. The colors and the noise, the reaction itself is… there’s quite brilliant lights, there’s quite amount of energy, there’s quite amount of sound. Even when the field stabilizes, we get a little bit of a… what, let’s call it a watery effect. It looks like the surface ripple effects of a watery surface. That’s not because there’s a substance to it, it’s more of the Dopplering of light through the boundary layer itself.

Alan Steinfeld

Wow, that’s amazing. Yeah, go ahead.

David Anderson

Now, it’s, you know, once it opens up and it stabilizes, then we have that field. What we didn’t know, Alan, actually was interesting. You know, we’re very proud of what we do, but we’re also very humble when it comes to not knowing what we’re doing. In the 1990s, when we built our first two time warp field generators, we didn’t understand that after the field was generated, we were getting more power out of it than we were putting into it. And I’m going back to answering your question. We didn’t understand that because that violates the laws of mathematics and physics and the conservation of energy. What we finally learned in 2002 was that the energy that we were using to create these fields of closed timeline curves, which allows this to happen, was actually coming from the curvature of spacetime, naturally occurring energy that surrounds the earth today. And there’s an effect in physics, not to bore your audience to tears, but it’s called inertial frame dragging. And essentially, as the earth spins, it actually bends spacetime around it like a spring. And if the earth were to be moved really quickly, spacetime would snap back. And essentially, what a time warp field generator does is it harnesses that naturally occurring potential energy and it concentrates it. And it’s really that simple.

Alan Steinfeld

Wow, it sounds exactly that simple. But the other thing… I mean, we’ll get back to that. But I have always thought that somehow DNA is somehow hooked up to the present moment, and we kind of keep the life force current with the time space field. Does that make sense at all? You know, as we move through time space in a body, there’s a DNA component to its relationship to time and space.

David Anderson

Well, I’m not an expert in DNA, but I can tell you something very fascinating we learned. One thing we do believe is, you know, we work not just at the Anderson Institute, we work with the DRDO in India, some advanced technology groups in China and Korea, and of course here in the United States. And the one thing we’ve learned from our experiments is that the belief that the universe is truly a dynamic web of energy and that we’re all interconnected not even across space but also across time, all areas of time, is something we see as is completely accurate. But the one thing about DNA that was interesting to us, and this is where we’re very excited about the impact that time control technology can have on society, it really has the potential to change our lives and reality in ways that are very, very difficult to comprehend. Some of those are very good and some of those can be catastrophic. For example, one of the areas that focuses on DNA, a lot of people think they can exercise time control technology safely. We actually do an experiment, it’s called Brothers and Sisters. And in this experiment, we have, let’s say it’s the grandfather of a family of seedlings with a specific DNA pattern. We take a system backwards in time and we destroy that grandfather of the family of plant seedlings. And we record that information, we put it in a time warp field chamber, it goes backwards in time, the original grandfather is destroyed. Now, according to the popular myth in movies and theater, if you go back in…

Alan Steinfeld

Well, Michio Kaku as well propagated that myth about, you know, that story. So yeah, go ahead.

David Anderson

Yeah, it’s called the Grandfather Paradox. And for your listeners, if you go back in time and kill your grandfather, then your father was never born, so you were never born. So therefore, you could not have gone backwards in time and therefore, your grandfather’s alive, so you are born. Now, you can go back in time, and this just loops around on itself. But what we actually do in experiment when we send things backwards in time or accelerate or slow down time, we’re not just affecting what’s inside the field. We’re actually changing the construct of reality outside of the field. What we see is that this belief about parallel universes branching off is simply a place where rational minds are bumping into their own limitations. We see multiple realities, and we see multiple dimensions of this universe that might represent multiple realities, but we don’t see parallel universes coming out of the results of these experiments. And if I could go back for a second for your listeners, imagine you’re in the laboratory and you put the information about the DNA pattern of some plant seedlings that are away from your experiment in your office or in your lab. And you send that information backwards in time, you destroy the grandparent and you come back. What’s interesting is the DNA information inside the chamber didn’t change, and the makeup of the plants that were included there did not change. But because we triggered the death of the grandfather of that seedling in the past, the makeup of the DNA of the plant seedlings, it actually changed retroactively. The seedlings are still there in their pot out on the shelf, and you have this exact match that doesn’t match up with anything. Your written records match your DNA, but their brothers and sisters that were left behind now no longer have the same DNA makeup as that control set of offspring, as you call them, that were inside the chamber. So by going backwards in time and changing something, a parallel universe didn’t split off. What we actually did was change the construct of reality. And the grandson, for example, in the Grandfather Paradox does not disappear. If that grandson goes backwards in time and kills his grandfather, he doesn’t vanish. Essentially, the construct of this web of information and energy has been changed. He will now continue in that time period and move forward back in time, but the construct of reality around him will change.

Alan Steinfeld

Well, could it be like a, and I thought about this, like a sort of a different generation of a universe had manifested that was different because something was changed in the past. So in a sense, they shouldn’t even exist if you destroy the grandfather, but they do exist, you’re saying.

David Anderson

Exactly. Well, the offspring that were inside the chamber along with a written record of their DNA go backwards in time. Inside the chamber a triggering mechanism is activated that destroys the grandfather and then we bring those offspring forward in time. Still with the written record of their DNA. When we take them out of the chamber, the written record matches their DNA but their brothers and sisters that were left behind now no longer have the same DNA makeup. So by going backwards in time and changing something, a parallel universe didn’t split off. What we actually did was change the construct of reality. And the grandson for example in the Grandfather paradox does not disappear. If that grandson goes backwards in time and kills his grandfather, he doesn’t vanish. Essentially the construct of this web of information and energy has been changed. He will now continue in that time period and move forward back in time, but the construct of reality around him will change.

Alan Steinfeld

Well, could it be like a, and I thought about this, like a sort of a different generation of a universe had manifested that was different because something was changed in the past. So in a possibly related universe, the grandfather still existed and everything around it is the same. But since you’ve created a different time field, you split off from that other universe and created a second generation universe, let’s say, that manifested in a different way? Or am I getting too abstract there?

David Anderson

No, no, actually I like what you’re saying. I like your term manifesting in a different way. We don’t see the popular concept in theater and fiction of parallel universes. You know, for your listeners, a lot of people would say, you go backwards in time, you kill your grandfather, one timeline moves forward with your grandfather dead and another one moves forward with him alive. Essentially, time splits. And there’s a belief that every second, every fraction of a second, every time we have a thought or do an action, multiple parallel universes are splitting off. We don’t see that. What we do see, though, is what you say. And it’s very subtle, is that the construct of this universe and this reality manifests itself in a different way. Of course, the dynamic web of information and energy that really eventually is the root of everything that makes us up is still there intact. It’s been reshaped or manifested in a different way in the reality that we perceive with our senses.

Alan Steinfeld

Like…

David Anderson

Yeah. No, no, go ahead. Now you, I’ll ask it after. Yeah.

Alan Steinfeld

Okay, I’ll give another example. A lot of people might might, we have another analogy that we use. Imagine for your listeners, you have a flower bed outside your home. Moving through time is just like moving through space. And believe it or not mathematically, that can be discussed as well within the laws of physics. But moving moving through space. Imagine you were to start at one end of your flower bed, walk across it, and then return right to the same point that you left from. You would have done something interesting. You would have trampled on some flowers that would no longer be able to survive. You might have spread some dirt and seeds in different areas that cause new life and energy and consciousness to surface. And then, of course, the ripple effects or butterfly effects that spin off that. But you started at one point in space, you moved across, and you came back. Yet, you changed the construct of reality. And believe it or not, the impact with time control technology, whether it be sending living organisms or material forward and backwards in time, or just information, has the same effect. The process of moving that information or matter forward or backwards actually changes the construct of reality. The ripple effects might be trivial where you barely notice them or don’t notice them at all, or they can be exceedingly dramatic.

Alan Steinfeld

Like, can you give me an example of something dramatic like that?

David Anderson

Well, a good example. I’ll give you a couple. One of them would be our brothers and sisters experiment, the extrapolation of that. Essentially, even though there were living organisms outside of this time-warp field away from the experiment, the process of moving a living organism backwards in time, completing an action and forward in time, actually changed the construct of those living organisms down to its DNA. And if it’s a living organism that’s not a plant, that may include different aspects of consciousness or reality. There are some other things that can happen that aren’t good. First off, we talked about there is an incredible complex web of interdependencies when you try to think what one action in affecting a timeline could have. And much, in many cases when we have technology, we have that capability to, through our human ethics, to really correlate and manage a greater knowledge and power with a greater need for moral responsibility. And what I’m concerned about with this technology is that it has far outpaced society’s or social frameworks’ capacity as a human society to work on. And until recently, many people might disagree in some ways, for human society as a whole, the principles have been pretty effective. That our human capacity for moral reasoning has kept pace with our development and our knowledge and capacities. But when you look at this technology, some very, as much as there are wonderful things that I’d like to talk about, there are some really opportunities for suffering. We see the contamination of timelines. We see the redefinition of individual lives in consciousness. If poorly managed, there are the risks of transcription errors, where when an object moves through time or backward in time, if it’s not managed safely from a technological standpoint, the physical makeup of that living organism can be mutated. And that’s not a good thing, obviously. But there are eager people who…

Alan Steinfeld

No, it sounds like a short story written a long time ago about these time travelers that go back to the dinosaur times and everything’s fine except they find out that this guy stepped on a butterfly and they come back to the present and the language is the same but they spell the words differently. You know, it’s like, you know, like you’re saying, if the slightest thing is changed, it could warp a whole reality in a different way.

David Anderson

You know, exactly, the butterfly effect. The story of a butterfly flaps its wings on one side of the world, and then through a chain reaction of events, it turns into a monsoon destroying many lives and causing dramatic suffering on another side of the world. These things are very difficult. And the reason they’re difficult is the technology is actually, believe it or not, relatively easy to develop. There are five countries and about eight organizations who are actively exercising time control technologies today. The problem is they don’t really understand the ramifications of what they’re doing. And believe it or not, one of the other concerns is social unrest that could occur. And if you think about our societies and all the different cultures on our planet, so many beautiful cultures, but so many moments in the past that define those events. For example, a lot of people wonder, what would happen if someone were to track, for Christians, if someone was to travel backwards in time with the appropriate equipment and actually view or record or observe the crucifixion of Christ? What if it truly happened? What if it didn’t? What does this mean to the religions and the things that we hold sacred? As much as it would be the truth, would it really be the truth and what would be the impacts of this? We even have a lot of people and maybe I try to think of a positive way to say this. If for your listeners, I gotta tell you, when you look at this type of scientific breakthrough, it doesn’t offer just commercial prospects. The prospects that it offers attracts tremendous interest and investment from private sectors, private businesses, governments, all different types of agencies and institutions. And I gotta tell you, one cannot underestimate the financial aspirations and the powers of these businesses and how they want to use these technologies. There are so many that want to use it for good, but one of the problems is that the range of technological possibilities that the new technologies open up are so enormous is that the only limitations of what we do really are the results of our imaginations, which is insufficient. But there are so many people who talk about good, Alan. We look at medical applications, the possibility to have stasis fields for medical treatment, to accelerate research, to find new cures for diseases that plague human society. How about the possibility to retrieve Future cures from the future to avoid that type of disaster and suffering or retrieving information to avoid natural disasters.

Alan Steinfeld

Or just move someone back in time before they had an illness, if they could move a plant back in time from a bloom to a bud, they can maybe move a person back from a time of illness to one where they don’t have any illness.

David Anderson

Exactly, and there’s a lot of people, there’s also the possibility that they can not only bring that information forward and back, they can also bring viruses and new diseases forward and backwards in time that human society is not prepared to handle. There’s also the concern in India, the Defense Research and Development Organization there is looking at many commercial prospects for time control technology. And one of the concerns is will that technology be made available to human society as a whole, or will it only be available to the social elite and those with money? And there are so many issues here, so many opportunity for great good and a lot of opportunity for more suffering. There’s even, I have to say, there are even organizations that when they talk about the technology, all they really look at is possible weaponization of the technology, even in many ways preparing for the Earth’s first great time war. It’s amazing.

Alan Steinfeld

Wow. A time war. That would be a strange awful thing. Are there plans of negotiating with these other countries for a time warp treaty? Is there something like that in the works?

David Anderson

Well, I would take this a little further for your listeners if I may. This research isn’t new. It’s not just the Anderson Institute. Russia was involved in this in the 1960s, the United States was involved in the 70s, of course the 80s and 90s, in the 90s and the last 10 years, we’ve seen India, Japan, Korea get involved. We have China making moves to play with the technology. And what’s interesting is that we live within this community, we do many projects with the teams in India and Japan, and the scientific community I have to say now is split and very concerned. They think it’s the time now to step forward and to shed more light on this. And that’s one of the reasons why I’m on your show. One of the roles of the Anderson Institute isn’t to promote or sell our technology, it’s really now about if we’re going to avoid as a human society the many risks and potential for suffering that this new technology can cause, we need to come together. We need to drive complete transparency, we need to launch a global educational initiative, we need to determine as a human society as a whole how the technology will not just be used but how it’ll be further developed, and then we have to monitor it. And in short the answer is yes, we do have a four-step plan that I just summarized and we’re now seeing the scientific community in these different countries and agencies really willing to step forward and to make a statement.

Alan Steinfeld

Are you a private industry or are you connected to government organizations or if you can say or both or I’m just curious.

David Anderson

The answer is a combination of both. And really quick your listeners might find it interesting, there are many countries that are very active in the technology now. China for example is making a lot of strides to try to really enter the game, but they’re really not there yet, even though there’s been some really interesting news fragments coming out of their country in the last two months. Now Japan, they actually have a beautiful facility on the shores of Biwa Lake just north of Kyoto City and they are actually carrying on… maybe backtrack real quick for your listeners. There’s two types of time control technology. Technology that can send information forward in time or backwards in time and technology that can send matter forward or backwards in time. Japan is focusing on information. Very similar to what Princeton University did under Dr. Lijun Wang, what Russia did back in the 1960s using the phenomenon of quantum entanglement and tunneling, they can send information faster than light backward in time. What Japan has done is really expanded that on a large scale. Russia kind of when the problems hit the former Soviet Union, they lost a lot of traction, their premier institute was the Moscow Aviation Institute, and they’re finally regaining some traction but they’re really not open to us. Japan is very open to us. United States we have S4, we have the University of Connecticut, we have Princeton University, and of course our facility in New Mexico, active. And in India, I got to tell you Alan, for your listeners, watch India. Their operation is larger than the rest of the world’s combined. It’s an operation run by their Ministry of Science and Technology and what they call their DRDO, which is their Defense Research and Development Organization. They’re already building commercial products that utilize different types of time control technology, they’re developing operational mission plans to send drones forward and backwards in time. They’re looking at the opportunity which many military officials would like to see is the opportunity to send information backwards in time on the battlefield so they could fine-tune plans with the knowledge of the results of those actions in the future.

Alan Steinfeld

Wow.

David Anderson

Just absolutely amazing. And it’s so amazing.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah, it’s so amazing. Please finish that. It’s so amazing.

David Anderson

Well what I was going to say is what’s remarkable is that India, they just hit a point about six years ago and they took all their best and brightest defense research scientists and engineers and they pulled them off of what they’re doing and they threw them onto this project. It’s amazing. Anybody who’s close to the Ministry of Science and Technology in India will know that every leading scientist in that organization has been pulled off and now has become a part of this new technology initiative with the Indian government. It’s amazing how far ahead they are. There’s many reasons for that I believe personally, but…

Alan Steinfeld

Well there’s so much to ask. You just mentioned, one thing is let’s say this technology does evolve. So are we now being visited from the future into this timeline, this present moment now? Is there a way of sensing that somehow?

David Anderson

With regards to sensing, there’s two comments I’d have. The first comment is has history been re-engineered. We have a little statement on our website, the Anderson Institute where history is becoming an experimental science. I’d emphasize for your listeners, this isn’t about the Anderson Institute, it’s about S4, it’s about India, it’s about Japan, it’s about South Korea, it’s about Russia. History has already become an experimental science and these governments and private agencies, a combination of both, are experimenting with these technologies that are having effects on the construct of reality. Some people can sense it Alan, getting back to your point. We have a lot of people who claim that especially in the late 1990s they began sensing that timelines were being re-engineered and that the construct of reality was being changed in a non-natural way. So some people do have the ability to sense that themselves.

Alan Steinfeld

First of all, personally, are you amazed at these breakthroughs when you first saw the time warp generator field warp time and there was that amazing display. Did you just say, oh my God, what’s going on? It must be very exciting for you.

David Anderson

You have to look at it from my perspective. I actually have been in this for 30 years. I think it was in 1984 or 85, I was actually a scientist working for Air Force Systems Command and some projects with DARPA and I observed something in a mathematical model that I had created that got me interested in this subject. And after that I fought a long battle. It’s been almost 30 years now. And so for me this has come quite slow. And also for me, working with accelerated or slowed down time rates, this has been the case since the early 1990s. So we’re talking almost 20 years. But it’s been an exponential increase. But for people who see it for the first time, that’s the value Alan, because I know your show. Your show is very well known and I know that you look at how people are evolving as conscious beings and our awareness of our universe around us and understanding the paradigms about how we think and feel about our place in the universe. It’s amazing service that you’re doing for your listeners and the people that you’re reaching. And that’s what I see is so remarkable. When somebody who’s not been working as a scientist in this every day, sees a time warp field in action, I got to tell you when they walk into the lab for the pre-briefing, we sometimes see the eyes roll, we see the skepticism. But a couple things happen. When people observe the field first hand, they cannot believe what they’re seeing right in front of their eyes.

Alan Steinfeld

Describe that. Can you just describe what they are seeing when they observe the field?

David Anderson

When they see time rates accelerated or slowed down, especially things that contradict their human senses. Remember our senses are limited. When they see things, for example, if you slow down time rates inside a time warp field, it also slows down effects that we would see as being unnatural like gravity. So when you see a mechanical device and you see an object falling inside a time warp field, and we modulate the field to slow down the time rate, and that object actually falls, slows down, and hovers in free space and even reverses itself moving upward, the feeling is disbelief. But the real value in that Alan is people finally get it when they see it. They realize that all of a sudden what they sense and perceive with their senses and their cultural evolution which blinds them is really a small part of the magic that makes up our universe. The effect is so profound that the reaction to it is a little bit of disbelief at first, but it ranges everywhere from laughing out loud hysterically to crying. And the thing that I tell everybody I speak with, and especially the people who see this, they typically call us back in a week or two or three and they’ll tell us they can no longer go through life the same way, because they realize there’s so much more depth to our universe than what they sense, perceive, and have the ability to comprehend. And after they see a time warp field in operation, they really kind of reach a really deep personal awareness and an understanding of how little they see. They realize what we’re trying to communicate is that we do not see our universe the way it is, we see the universe the way we are, which is a very limited crippled view of what really makes up our reality. The technology helps us transcend that.

Alan Steinfeld

That’s why I call this program New Realities because I’ve always had an inkling that there was much more to the universe than we were aware of and educated and conditioned to believe. So I know that’s true. I mean, I’d love to go out to your lab and check that out for myself. Do you have visitors out there?

David Anderson

The clearance process takes about six to 12 months depending on your authorization level, but that’s something we might be able to talk about. But for your listeners, the real value here, the epiphany that everybody reaches does center around the statement we don’t see our universe the way it is, we see it the way we are. And you have to think, the analogy I like to use for your people listening, your audience, think of the old television set sitting on the table in front of you. The airwaves, the air is filled with waves of information and energy flying through the sky. You reach up to the TV and you flip the little tuner to a channel and it looks at that one tiny tiny piece of that information energy flying through the sky and it lets you see and understand it. That’s what the human mind is. The human mind is a tuner. The universe really is a dynamic web of information and energy. Everything we define in it, we know that to be true. The problem is the human mind is a tuner trying to tune into virtually an infinite number of channels but it only has the ability to tune into those that are available by for most people, by those five primary senses. Of course there’s people who are gifted and I’m not one of them. I need technology as a crutch. But we do know people that 2% of the population that have the ability to sense and perceive and transcend time through training of their minds, different other types of techniques or just a natural genetic gift.

Alan Steinfeld

Well, it’s not just that we perceive reality through our five senses, it’s the conditioning of those senses. I mean there’s so much more just in front of us that we could actually see but we block it out of our awareness or hear if we fine-tune our hearing. There’s so much more to just our senses than we realize as well. And we have to kind of open up that conditioned mind to perceive a greater reality. But getting back to your technology, can you say that there is a future that has already happened or is the future still an unknown possibility?

David Anderson

I would say that the future is uncertain. We all, in many ways this technology, and not just our technology but look at what’s coming out of the particle accelerators and supercolliders and all the quantum mechanics. Essentially what we’re discovering is that the world is a dynamic web of information and energy and everything in it is interconnected and everything we do affects everything else. And aren’t we simply rediscovering ancient wisdom with all this?

Alan Steinfeld

Is there a future that actually has happened or is it yet to be created?

David Anderson

And that’s kind of my point. We’re all interconnected and every action, every focused thought we have does change the construct of reality. It’s not just about technology, we have the power of the human mind to do that. So I do believe that the future is uncertain. I do believe that the future holds great potential risks to us because for the first time as a human society on this planet, we’re working with the technology where the effects of using it are incredibly good and incredibly catastrophic, but unlike other technologies, let’s say for example nuclear energy and nuclear weapons, we can’t see the results of this technology. And that’s where the gap between the power of the technology and our capacity for predicting the complex consequences of using it needs to be tempered by a moral and ethical reasoning that we don’t have today. And that’s our concern.

Alan Steinfeld

Even you, if you decide to send something into the future, you’re saying you might not know what kind of effect that will have on the current timeline.

David Anderson

That is correct. And that we implement a lot of controls. And I got to tell you we also, even with our controls, we’re not certain of the effects that we have. But even worse, there are institutions around the world that are exercising these technologies without any regard for it. At relatively high power levels. And that is quite concerning to us.

Alan Steinfeld

Well, it’s not only a concern, they actually may have already affected the timeline somehow. Is there a way of monitoring timeline control technologies or something like that?

David Anderson

Well, yeah, there’s two ways actually. We are very active in this four-step plan. Transparency, global education, we need to come up with a moral compass to guide further development and use, but monitoring is a big part. And believe it or not, monitoring the activation of time control technologies is even easier than monitoring nuclear reactor activity. So we have a device called a TTD, it stands for a temporal tremor detector, for your listeners it’s like a seismic detector that has the ability to detect anytime a time control technology is activated. And our hope is, is to, in the coming years, to have a network of these deployed in space with the ability to monitor the entire planet for activations of the technology for monitoring. But there is another way. And that comes back to that 2% of the population that is extremely gifted and like I said, unfortunately, I kind of wish I fell into that 2% but there are people and we see it, that have that capability next to technology to essentially transcend time, the ability to project consciousness, to exercise other senses and other capabilities like transmutation, transmigration, the ability to remote view, and other capabilities. We even have people who sit next to our time warp field generator who can accurately predict the results and can sense the results without the use of any technology. But again that’s not our area of expertise. We just make the observation.

Alan Steinfeld

You can have training in that. I’ve been trained in remote viewing, it’s very practical, it works. But getting back to the monitoring, so you say you can sense when anytime anyone in the world uses a time warp device?

David Anderson

If we deploy in space a network of these TTDs, these temporal tremor detectors, there would be an ability for human society as a whole to have a true global monitoring of anytime somebody exercised the technology.

Alan Steinfeld

And so everyone would have to work together or because that would just be in the best interest of the planet itself.

David Anderson

And that’s the challenge. With a technology like the internet and so on we have today, we can get transparency. Not just ourselves, other people are stepping forward, we’re going to see scientists from India and Japan and even China reaching out and crying for transparency. We will see education. But the third step to be successful, we need to establish a what I like to call a global moral compass, a committee that represents all human society, that spans all lines of nations, politics, geography, religions that looks at what is best for human society as a whole and makes a decision together for the benefit of human society. And that’s one of the challenges that we have to overcome and perhaps one of the most difficult. But while the risks of this technology are incredibly high, the benefits are also very high and we believe that perhaps maybe since we’re looking at a technology that has the ability to change our world finally in a way that’s never been comprehended before, maybe it’s an opportunity where the whole world can unite and cross those boundaries that have separated people before.

Alan Steinfeld

Well, that would be pretty amazing and that’s of course what we’ve all been looking for, that one peaceful stable world where everything’s in harmony and maybe this is the thing that will bring it about. As far as that temporal monitoring device, are you saying something like the Earth itself has a time space field that is stable and when something disrupts it, it can be monitored, the disruption of the field?

David Anderson

I probably wouldn’t say it exactly that way because it might confuse the two. There is a twisting of space time around the Earth that’s called in physics inertial frame dragging for your listeners who want to look it up. But the temporal tremor detector itself detects the energy levels or ripples if you will, caused by the activation of technologies. But the temporal tremor detectors have to be deployed, would have to be deployed in a network around the Earth to be able to provide the coverage needed.

Alan Steinfeld

I see. And now getting back, this is a question from the guy in the studio, he says what if you have two fields running at the same time? Let’s say what effect do they have on each other within the same environment or something like that? How would the time warp fields affect each other?

David Anderson

Well the one thing we don’t do because of the nature of the boundary layer, we of course don’t overlap fields. The effect of having two, let me be simplistic and I’ll make a very simple analogy because it’s a little more complex. Instead of you walking across your flower bed in back, grab a friend in hand and walk across the flower bed in back. The answer is you both would affect the construct of reality, the living organisms that would continue to live, those that would die, those that might be born. And as you walk back, you might return to the same point together, but you will have affected that and you may potentially have a ripple effect even if the fields are separated where you affected the reality of each other.

Alan Steinfeld

I see. Now going back to also, so eventually do you think it’s then possible to bring a human being back into the past and live at a different time and then bring them back to the present? Would that be, I mean it sounds like that’s where you’re going or at one point we’ll go there, right?

David Anderson

Yeah, I think even more interesting, let me tell you something a little more specific because it’s a specific operational mission plan and development in the Pune district in the state of Maharashtra in India. They are actually developing drones that would be taken back in time through the equivalent of a time warp field chamber, would be launched to record historical information and then brought back forward in time with actual recordings of historical events. And this is an actual project underway, a very, very serious project underway for efforts to record history. Their belief is, which I disagree with and my colleagues there in Mumbai understand that I disagree with them, is that they believe by not sending humans, by sending drones and other types of recording devices back, there’s less of a chance of impacting the integrity of the historical timeline.

Alan Steinfeld

And you disagree why?

David Anderson

Because the butterfly effect as you said so well before. The results of even the subtlest action result in a complex web of interdependencies that’s just beyond our capability today to predict. And you know I got to tell you there’s one thing, people used to ask me in the 1980s and 90s Alan, if I could go backwards in time, where would I want to go to. And I never had a good answer for them. If they said you will go backwards in time, you go any point in history that you wanted to, where would you go? And I finally found the answer when we built our third generation time warp field generator that was actually a point where I was really awestruck and I saw the result. I finally realized the answer. If I could go back in time, I’d go back in a time in a point in history where human society, anybody in human society, thought it was okay to experiment with any type of technology or power without considering first the consequences that it could have on human society or individuals. And that’s why I disagree because the scientists as much as I respect them and as smart as they are, and I know they’re trying to limit the risks, they don’t truly understand that they’re guessing, just like we are.

Alan Steinfeld

Well, yeah, but so you don’t know if something from the future has already come back and has affected…

David Anderson

We have done experiments not with regards to sending information forward and backwards in time, but also sending information. We have the ability to accelerate time rates and then to retard time rates within a time warp field. We have done controlled experiments with living organisms, non-living, only plant organisms when it comes to retarding the time rate, but there are institutions, for example, like India. India is very aggressive. They see tremendous potential. I have to tell you, the people there are wonderful. They really see the opportunity to bring information back from the future to avoid disasters and suffering, whether it be disease, man-made, or natural. They have huge hearts. The challenge is in bringing that information back, we’re moving a little slower than them. Actually, I think our technology is more advanced, but we’re moving slower because of our concern about unexpected consequences of doing this.

Alan Steinfeld

When I met the people at Damanhur, they say they’ve had a time machine. The guy who created Damanhur in Italy, Falco, says that the further back you go in time, the safer you are in not disturbing the timeline. So he said he went back 30,000 years to the time of Atlantis. I don’t know if it’s true, but this is what he said. Have you heard about their time travel technologies in Italy?

David Anderson

I’ve read some articles. We truly believe that to understand the nature of time you have to study from many disciplines. I remind your listeners, for two millennia, human society has been trying to define what time is and nobody has come to a good agreement. When you have a problem like that, you have to study it from many perspectives. I’m not an expert on what happened at Damanhur and what they claim, but I don’t judge it either. Because I truly believe that when we reach as a human society a common belief and understanding of the true nature of time and our place in it, we’re going to see that these views, whether they’re religious, spiritual, metaphysical, technological, or any other consciousness-related, they’re all going to be part of the same answer. They’re not separate. So I don’t judge Damanhur. There are many scientists who believe that if you do your experiments in isolation, you have less opportunity for that butterfly effect or ripple effect creating a problem. There are some who’ve proposed many theories, and we have discussions on it all the time, that if you were to go back further in time, the opportunity for a ripple effect is much less, but we don’t believe that to be accurate either, even though it might be less of a risk. There’s also potential for bringing back microscopic living organisms, for example, from the distant past that human society and our biological entities aren’t able to handle or protect ourselves from. There are so many other consequences, or introducing a disease from the future into the past that has a catastrophic chain reaction and ripple effect.

Alan Steinfeld

What about some of these other people that said they’ve been involved in government time travel experiments? There was a guy on Peter Roth’s show who talked about the government already doing this, already having this. And then of course there’s the Philadelphia Experiment. What do you say about those time travel technologies that supposedly have existed?

David Anderson

This is where I probably get a little boring as a radio guest because my background is physics and computer science. I take a multi-disciplinary approach to studying time and I’m very much aware of all these different views and perspectives. I wasn’t there and it’s hard to judge. But let me tell you what I think about a few of those. First off, yes, experiments are going on, including experiments I may be aware of on the inside track in five countries and what some of the government agencies are doing. For me that’s clear and I understand that. I also know that, for example, in China and Russia, very specifically, there are projects that I’m unaware of. I also know that technologically this is something that has been possible and has been exercised since the 1960s at different levels, because we are talking about levels of power of the technology and what they can conduct. So these experiments have been going on. When we look at legends like the Philadelphia Experiment and the Montauk Experiment, I can only tell you what I’ve observed firsthand is that it’s clear the public documentation about the Philadelphia Experiment is flawed. What they were doing there and the scientists involved does not correlate in almost any way with the reports of what happened and the evidence of what happened. I can also extrapolate that even closer to Montauk. The story goes that the assets of the Philadelphia Experiment were moved to Montauk and they combined the technology with human consciousness, creating a hybrid solution for transcending time. I’ve walked that facility and I have to tell you, I’ve been in the underground facility as well as the surface, the publicly stated reason why that base was there in no way matches the infrastructure of that base. There was something going on maybe one or two orders of magnitude larger and more powerful than what the public was told. What I can tell you is there is some disinformation surrounding those experiments, so I do challenge them. I also believe, by the way, we have one of our young scientists writing a paper right now on his theory. He surfaced that he believes time warp fields and time distortion phenomenon can occur naturally on the planet, not just with technology or the power of the human mind. It’s a very interesting paper, and I think it has a real strong basis that I hope will be published soon.

Alan Steinfeld

Suppose there are natural portals of energy, how would they occur naturally and in what sort of places?

David Anderson

Essentially, as I mentioned earlier, as the Earth spins in space, it actually twists spacetime around it, just like a spring. It’s exactly the same analogy. It’s a little more complex mathematically, but essentially that’s what it does. It seems very small, but the power levels are extremely high. If you were to remove the Earth away, it would snap back. Essentially, a time warp field generator is a system that discharges what we call spacetime motive force. It discharges the potential energy in the twisted spacetime surrounding the Earth. There are naturally occurring conditions that could, even though rare, based upon the geology of that location on the planet and on certain natural phenomena in the atmosphere and environment around Earth, where you don’t need technology to do it, it could occur naturally. I’m not saying as frequently as lightning, which strikes our planet tens of thousands of times a second. We’re talking about something rare but could occur, where time distortion fields occur naturally. Higher frequencies in some areas of occurrence and less in others, but they could occur.

Alan Steinfeld

It’s not just that. You would see some very bizarre effects if there was a human in there, possibly the Bermuda Triangle or something like that might occur if there was that distortion with humans around.

David Anderson

Absolutely. It’s a very interesting phenomenon. Interestingly enough, what we create in the lab is much more dangerous than naturally occurring. Let’s say hypothetically this naturally occurring phenomenon can occur, and we get a naturally occurring time distortion, which we believe is true. What’s nice about it is the observation from what I’ve seen in the mathematics say that the danger to human beings is less, but you’re right, the effects you would see could be quite unusual and interesting.

Alan Steinfeld

You’re saying it’s also related to gravity. You said it can affect the gravitational field. There is a place I’ve been to out West that has a very distorted gravitational field and consequently it might have a distorted time field. Would you think that would be true?

David Anderson

You just gave me an opportunity to jump on a soapbox. The short answer is yes, but with one clarification. The concept of gravity in our minds is flawed. A lot of people don’t realize Einstein was very famous because he wrote his special theory of relativity that said fast speeds and relative accelerations could change time. Then he wrote his general theory that talked about gravity. What a lot of people don’t know is that later in Einstein’s life, he said his general theory of relativity was a waste of time, because essentially gravity is simply curved spacetime in action. Everything you need to know to understand what people call gravity is embedded in special relativity. What I don’t like about gravity, when we speak to young students, is think about what gravity is. Gravity is like time. This is what I like about St. Augustine. He was a philosopher who said that time was an illusion of the mind, and he addressed it with a very thought-provoking dialogue. Have your listeners go up to people on the street and ask somebody if they know what time is. They’ll say yes. The second question is, please ask them to explain it to me. And they’ll be at a loss for words. That tells us a very sharp insight into the nature of time. Gravity is the same way. Gravity is a label we put on something we don’t understand. We know in high school we learn the formulas of gravity, we know how to model and predict it, but do we really know why objects want to converge together? The short answer is no. It’s a label we put on something because we can reproduce it, our senses can see it, and we can pat ourselves on the back, but in the end, it’s a label we put on something we don’t understand. So I jumped on my soapbox, I apologize Alan, I’ll jump off.

Alan Steinfeld

Don’t apologize because you’ve really researched this and it’s fascinating. Einstein did say mass warps time and space, which is what you’re saying with the Earth’s field, it warps and twists it. So gravity is an effect of this warping of time and space. That makes sense. In a high gravitational field, there could be a warping of time and space that can be used for research with what you’re doing. It makes sense to me that that would be a natural environment to possibly conduct some experiments.

David Anderson

Yes, going back to your point, there are areas or geological formations combined with other conditions surrounding the Earth that could cause phenomenons that distort spacetime, which essentially does affect gravity. Simply put, for young physicists out there, write this down: gravity is simply curved spacetime in action. Anytime you curve spacetime through any phenomenon, you get what people like to label gravity. So that could very well occur the way you described it, Alan.

Alan Steinfeld

Do you know Nassim Haramein’s work and black hole technologies? Have you looked into that?

David Anderson

I know a little bit about it but not enough to comment really, no.

Alan Steinfeld

He says there’s really only two forces in the universe: gravity which pulls things towards it and electromagnetism which pushes things out. He says basically everything is a black hole that’s pulling things towards a center of singularity on one end and pushing it outward on the other. He says there is a twisting as well of these forces. So the emergent forces of the universe, one that pulls something in and one that pushes it out. He says the formation of the universe is this double torus effect. At the center of all galaxies, all suns, there’s a point of singularity or a black hole that is moving these forces of the universe. I don’t know if that really explains it, but it might be interesting.

David Anderson

I understood what you said and actually I like it. I am familiar with it to that level. It’s kind of like the television tuner, defining things that way is nice, but the true construct of our universe, what we’re learning at all the different time research centers around the world, all the different experiments and what’s coming out of the supercolliders and particle accelerators, is very clear. Our world, the basic construct, is a web of information and energy. Everything we sense that’s real and all these physical definitions we put on it really are just constructs artificially created out of that web of information and energy. Why I like the definition is it describes something physical that we’d like to be able to sense, but then again that precludes the biggest part of the universe which is that which we can’t sense, but we know is out there.

Alan Steinfeld

Where does consciousness fit into that? Is consciousness as basic to the universe as time and space and gravity? It seems like it is somehow.

David Anderson

I think it’s much more basic than time, space, and gravity. I think space, physical matter, this is a personal opinion now, but space, gravity, every physical property, every sense, in the end, it’s all about consciousness and energy, or information and energy. If you look at consciousness, perhaps that’s the root of everything. It’s more of a root of everything else than trying to describe matter and physical forces, because everything we see as matter and physical forces is really based on information and energy. I go back to listeners who did their light slit experiments in high school, where they see photons act as both a particle and a wave, and that they exist in many different forms all at the same time in different dimensions. The sensation of this physical reality that we see is very real to us, but it’s certainly not a fundamental building block of the universe. Consciousness would be much more of a fundamental building block than matter, space, and time.

Alan Steinfeld

I believe that, but when you look at the vastness of space and these billions of galaxies and billions of stars, you say to yourself, where does consciousness fit into the vastness of the cosmos? How can you answer that?

David Anderson

I think this is a place, like the grandfather paradox, where our rational minds bump into their own limitations. Let’s go to the simple phenomenon of quantum entanglement. China just set the world record for quantum entanglement. Basically, what quantum entanglement shows is that everything, no matter how far apart, is connected and could affect each other even if they’re so far apart that it would be impossible within the laws of physics today for those to affect each other because it would require faster-than-light traveling. Yet every day, China set a world record for the ability to have quantum entanglement that caused two particles essentially to be connected even though they were separated by a distance that required faster-than-light communication. We talk about the vastness of space, but is space really vast or is it just a place where our rational minds are bumping into their own limitations? And the limitations of our senses.

Alan Steinfeld

It seems like with your work and a lot of people’s work, we really have to reevaluate the nature of the universe itself. I think it’s great that we’re blowing people’s minds and their concepts up to create a new reality of what’s possible. This is what I think is so valuable about your work.

David Anderson

The nice thing about this too is that we are in many ways rediscovering ancient wisdom. What’s really fascinating is over the last two millennia, human society has separated into religious and spiritual beliefs and scientific beliefs. What’s happening now is a convergence. This technology shows that our new understanding of time, space, and the new sciences have more in tune with the ancient views of Buddhism, Hinduism, and Daoism than they have with classical science of only fifty years ago.

Alan Steinfeld

That’s really refreshing because the world is moving towards a spiritual reality. Has this work with time technologies also been a spiritual awakening personally for you?

David Anderson

In many ways it has. I’ve learned a lot about myself. It’s been a long road, about thirty years now of research. I would not define myself as a spiritual person. My hope is someday that I’ll reach that level of awareness. I have the opportunity when I travel not just to meet with very well-respected scientists, teachers, and government officials, but I do get a chance to meet with many spiritual leaders and their understanding of the nature of time and our universe is something that just amazes me. I grow in this job every day. Absolutely. But I still have a long way that I’d like to go.

Alan Steinfeld

I think you are taking a very spiritual perspective on the whole thing when you say it all comes down to consciousness, I think that is what a spiritual person would say about the nature of reality in general. But where is all this going? What long-range or short-range goals do you have for this time control technology?

David Anderson

The first goal is what we’re doing right here right now. The world needs to be aware. It’s not just the Anderson Institute, it’s S4, it’s Princeton, watch Dr. Mallett at the University of Connecticut getting a lot of news coverage. But the real issue is what’s happening every day. This work has been going on. This is not new. What’s really new for scientists like ourselves who have been living in it for decades is that the capabilities of the technology and the power has grown exponentially and is continuing. This is underway right now. Now that the technology has become more powerful, and we see five countries going after this, a lot of people say, why don’t you just stop doing what you’re doing? The problem is that it’s too late. There are far too many people involved in this. What we really need now is a solution that tries to protect human society. It comes back to transparency and education. We’re launching this year a worldwide Global Education Initiative. We’re encouraging our counterparts and other government agencies and private institutions to step forward. The real challenge becomes not monitoring the technology, but getting human society and these government agencies to step forward. The human mind has a basic function to rationalize what it senses with its own belief system, it’s crippled. So are governments and nations. Their function is to survive, and if they can survive, to prosper. A fundamental tenet of prospering is keeping your technologies a secret. We have to overcome that.

Alan Steinfeld

I understand the political angles and I think it’s very important, but technologically speaking, what do you hope to achieve? If it’s possible to send a drone back in time and videotape some spectacular event without damaging the timeline, would you be interested in seeing that?

David Anderson

Absolutely yes. There are some things I do believe would be valuable. For example, in the world of science fiction, there’s always been this magical chamber called a stasis field used in medical applications. If somebody is rushed to a hospital with life-threatening injuries, they could be put into a stasis chamber where the time rate is slowed down essentially to zero, time is stopped. Until the situation is ready to be addressed, this could really benefit medical institutions.

Alan Steinfeld

It could save lives! It would save hundreds of thousands of lives every day.

David Anderson

Absolutely. This is a big part of what India is doing. One of the first products they hope to field will be one of the world’s first commercially available stasis chambers for use in medical institutions. The other thing they’re doing is focusing on chambers that can be used for accelerating research. For example, there is the quest for cures for many diseases that plague mankind. The process of testing for cures has long incubation or culture cycles. Using accelerated time rate chambers, they could produce results more quickly without risking impacting the construct of reality. Viewing recorded history, I do believe that sending drones into the past to record the past is dangerous because it can have a lot of effects. Maybe we send microbiological agents backwards in time or bring them forward that living organisms can’t handle. Maybe we have a butterfly effect. A lot of producers ask us advice about how they should portray technologies in movies. Our conclusion is recording history would probably be much more boring than the wonderful simulations and special effects we have in movies today.

Alan Steinfeld

If someone’s in a stasis field, what happens to their thought process? Do they get frozen or do they keep thinking or are they conscious of time movement itself?

David Anderson

It depends on what level. First off, it’s unknown a little bit, because when a human being goes inside a time warp field, we haven’t done that, we have done that with living organisms like plants.

Alan Steinfeld

Would someone lose the consciousness of where they were when they entered? Would their consciousness go back in time or just their bodies? That’s an interesting question, isn’t it?

David Anderson

It’s actually a very simple answer. Everything we’ve seen, and we have a battery of tests that have confirmed this, is that when somebody is inside a time warp field, their consciousness remains. Their physical body remains. Assuming the experiment has no damaging effects, when they move backwards in time, their age hasn’t decreased. They might have gone backwards in time ten years, they might have only experienced an hour of aging in that process, but their consciousness and awareness remains inside that field. If you were sitting inside a time warp field and I was outside of it, and your time rate was slowed down so that ten minutes passed for one day, when you came out, you would only have sensed that ten minutes passed, while I would have clearly sensed that the full 24 hours had passed. On a deeper level, we do know that consciousness does tie back to that root of information and energy, and that information and energy doesn’t stop existing just because the time rate was slowed down, just like it doesn’t stop existing because somebody moves to a different point in space. It’s still there.

Alan Steinfeld

Have you put someone in a time chamber and just put it on for ten minutes for them and 24 hours passed? Has this been done actually?

David Anderson

In India, at the Anderson Institute, and we believe in Russia, this has been done where people have been put inside chambers where time has been accelerated or slowed down. What we can say for ourselves is we have not put a person inside a field that has been reversed in time.

Alan Steinfeld

You mean where they start to regress backwards in time? They would change their body, they would rejuvenate like the flower you mentioned.

David Anderson

Unfortunately it gets complicated. It is possible using closed timelike curves to move a person backwards in time without regressing their age. We expose people to fields without regressing their age. We have never attempted to regress the age of a human. Field is a little bit unknown.

Alan Steinfeld

What do you mean outside of the field?

David Anderson

Well, it’s no different than, let me make a different example. A lot of people are familiar with what’s called the twin paradox. That’s the scenario where an astronaut, say, travels off to a distant star and returns 20 earth years later to the Earth, leaving the twin brother she left behind. Well, when she gets back to the Earth after the 20-year journey, say traveling at 80% the speed of light, what she will find out is her brother is no longer alive because 200 years passed on earth. Her brother lived his life to whatever age, passed away, many generations have been born. But to her, her consciousness has only experienced, or at least her immediate consciousness has only experienced 20 years through her journey. And so that’s just a fundamental, that’s the foundation of spacetime physics actually. A big part of it.

Alan Steinfeld

So if that’s what you say you’re doing, you could set someone in a field for 10 minutes on the inside of the field, but it will be 24 hours outside the field. That you’re saying this is already happening.

David Anderson

Yes. Where time rates are accelerated or slowed down absolutely yes. We’re not trying to reverse aging.

Alan Steinfeld

Right. No, but still that person will only have aged let’s say 10 minutes as opposed to a whole day. You could put them in even longer and create a different field effect as well then, right?

David Anderson

Yes, absolutely. That’s just a fundamental fallout of special relativity for your listeners. And there’s many different papers and verifications of that.

Alan Steinfeld

But it must be strange to put someone in there for 10 minutes or for them it being 10 minutes, and you it’s a whole day. And then they come out of the field and they have a whole different sense of what happened within that span of reality. I mean, there’s two different realities going on there right next to each other, one that’s, let’s say this normal and one that’s like just been really slowed down to 10 minutes. I mean, that’s very strange.

David Anderson

I would say it’s a very subtle comment, but I would probably say it’s only one reality. It’s our sensing, it’s what we’re sensing. In the end, moving through time, it’s as simple as moving through space. I’m sorry, when I say simple what I mean is the effect. A lot of people would say well that’s two different realities. No, it’s not. It’s all part of one glorious beautiful reality where it is possible within the laws of mathematics and physics, and now within technology, to move matter forward and backwards in time and information forward and backwards in time. And that doesn’t mean reality has changed. What it means is our sensing or maybe the manifestation, I can’t speak tonight, of time has changed in some way.

Alan Steinfeld

Well, it’s really exciting work you’re doing and on your website, theandersoninstitute.com, you talk about many different ways of time travel: quantum tunneling, near light speed travel, wormholes, cosmic strings, and you go through all of them on your website. And this is quite a young field of study in a sense, isn’t it?

David Anderson

Well, I’m glad you asked that question because I think this would be an opportunity for me to jump, can I jump on my soapbox again?

Alan Steinfeld

Yes, please. No, I’m here to promote your work because your work really is about new realities and it’s been quite amazing what you’ve said so far. So please, go ahead.

David Anderson

Okay. There is a tremendous amount of educational information on our website. But I would ask your listeners, please, for yourself and for your friends around you and for human society, please do not shrink the magic in this world and this universe we live in to the size of our daily routine and material possessions. And this is where I use the statement and the opportunity to say no it’s not new work. Let’s just take the last hundred years. Einstein proposed special theory of relativity, then the general theory of relativity. It was accepted in the 1920s. In the late 1940s, Kurt Gödel, a German mathematician showed clearly that time travel to the past at less than light speed was possible within the laws of math and physics. That was coined by Frank Tipler in the 1960s in a paper that has never been refuted that shows yes it’s possible to travel back in time using closed timelike curves slower than the speed of light without having to violate that law of physics. In the 1960s Russia did a whole series of experiments. In the 70s and the 80s we saw it move from one or two countries. Into the 1990s, where now we see five leading nations active in leading edge high power time control technology research. This isn’t new. A lot of these views have been out there. It’s really just a question of going back to that issue sometimes we put up this wall between science and spirituality. What’s different now? Two things. One the power level of the technology is getting very high. But number two, the technology that so many of us worship, the science that has become almost more important in some lives than religion and spirituality, which by the way is all part of the whole, is now telling us yes this is true. So science is slowly converging with a view that’s been stated for over five millennia globally across the world on multiple continents regardless of religion. And these things are now converging. And that’s what’s really exciting about it. It’s not new. It’s been occurring in science, it’s been occurring in spiritual and religious views, but what’s interesting now is they’re coming together and it’s becoming clear to the people who’ve been living on each side of that wall as the wall falls down or as they peer over it that they really have been looking at the same thing but just from a different perspective. So I would say that it’s not new and I use that opportunity. Thanks Alan.

Alan Steinfeld

No, I appreciate this. I guess we should wrap it up soon because it’s just been amazing. But it’s not new but it still seems like there’s so much more that will be discovered as you work in this field, you know. There’s so much that we haven’t even thought of that will come about through your experimentation.

David Anderson

I agree. Not just our experimentation but others. We’re learning so much and the nice part is it’s teaching us so much about how beautifully wonderful this universe is we live in and we realize. And what this technology is doing, if anything, why it does relate to controlling what many people define as the nature of time. What it really is doing, it’s even more powerful. It’s showing us to step beyond our senses and that there’s a much more amazing reality out there than we’re able to perceive and this is helping us see it and come to that awareness.

Alan Steinfeld

Can you just give me an example of the amazing reality you’ve noticed?

David Anderson

The fact everything is connected and the example of why the fact that exposing a living organism to a contained, for example, time warp field and speeding up or slowing down time, can actually have an effect on the construct of reality far away from that experiment. Why I’ve always believed it to be true. Seeing that was amazing to me. Seeing time actually regress, move backwards for a living organism is something that’s very remarkable. Seeing the fact that time can be sped up or slowed down is, my technicians are going to beat me for this, as easy as turning the volume up or down on your radio in your car, is an amazing experience. Like I said, I’m a little bit numb to it because it’s been 30 years, but for people who see it, it’s a real awakening. But I think the biggest thing for me is the other awakening is seeing the great opportunity as well as the uncertainty and risk that we face as a human society on how we handle, how we further develop and use the technology. Like I said we have a future perhaps of great suffering before we find a good solution for this or maybe this is the perfect storm that will allow people to drop these walls around the borders of nations and religions and politics and other beliefs and actually start working together as one human society as a whole to do what’s right and best.

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah, no I think it does bring hope to the planet to work together. But it also brings hope to the individual when you say we have the power and consciousness. The thing that we have in us can control the nature of our reality and of the time field we live in. This force of our own individual consciousness I think can do that. It feels like it can.

David Anderson

I agree completely. And I think we’re going to spin around the answer we’re spiraling in on it. The great philosophers and religions have struggled with this for millennia. But like I said the one thing I do know for sure is I see this as we learn more every day is that when as a human society we stand up and we say we truly now understand the nature of time, what we’re going to realize is that all these different views from literature, the arts, religion, spirituality, science, and technology, all are going to be looking at the same answer. They’re just a different perspective looking at the same truth from a different angle. And for me that’s something I really feel is coming. And I look forward to that because I think once that happens then a new growth can begin.

Alan Steinfeld

Once this grand sort of unification of realization is reached globally, we will come to a new paradigm of who we are. Is that what you’re saying?

David Anderson

Yes. I think there will be a unification, not in terms of a grand unification theory, but a unification of human society. Because many times we’re separated by the walls of nations or geography. We’re separated by the views of religions and other types of beliefs. And you know, we tend to judge each other as good and bad or right and wrong. When the beliefs of Buddhism, Hinduism, Daoism, classical physics, quantum physics, and all these other beliefs come to the true nature of time, what we’re going to see is that they were all looking at the same thing, just looking at it with a different perspective. And I think that’ll unify the people that typically separate themselves by those definitions.

Alan Steinfeld

And how would someone get involved in this research if they wanted to like, is it possible, I mean, you sort of created it in a sense, but how would someone listening to this say wow that’s something that’s fascinating how do I connect in? What do you suggest?

David Anderson

Well there’s a couple things. First off, we don’t make a business of promoting or selling anything. We have a website theandersoninstitute.com. Tremendous amount of free information there. There are a couple videos for sale, all profits actually are donated to United Nations youth educational programs. But actually almost all the videos are available for free under the education tab of the website. The other way people can get involved is please I’d encourage you please join me on Facebook. I’m there under David Anderson. Lewis is L-E-W-I-S. Please join us. We do publish daily news updates not just what’s happening at the Anderson Institute but all around the world with regards to the nature of time. And also we have a Time Research Association that’s also available on Facebook disseminating the same information. So there’s a lot more coming in the next few months.

Alan Steinfeld

Are you going to be in New York at all? I mean, would you like to do a presentation here? Are you interested in that?

David Anderson

Oh absolutely. Actually I was just in New York must have been about six weeks ago. And the nice thing I’d always be interested in doing a presentation if there’s an educational value in it. And when we do live presentations we actually have permission to show different types of footage from our facility as well. We don’t distribute it on mass media, at least not yet. Actually the last thing I’d say we actually do have a new documentary coming out in about two months so.

Alan Steinfeld

Oh really? Where will that be seen? Where can we look for it, the documentary?

David Anderson

Well it will of course be announced on our website and via the social media forums. And it’ll be available on amazon.com and probably several other locations I’m not sure exactly where it’ll be distributed.

Alan Steinfeld

Well let me know if you want to come to New York maybe we can set an evening up for you here somewhere to do a presentation. That would be really fascinating.

David Anderson

Yeah it’s wonderful to meet with people. We don’t really do a lot of public appearances. They are quite limited but maybe we could discuss that offline and-

Alan Steinfeld

Yeah let’s talk about that. And there’s some other connections I want to make for you as well where you could do some other programs that can put this information out there. It’s been really amazing to hear what has already taken place, that you can actually slow down timelines. I’m really gonna sit with this and contemplate it. And thank you for everything you’ve shared with us. Is there anything else that you’d like to just have people contemplate?

David Anderson

No, I think we’ve touched on a lot of good points. I would encourage everybody to understand that please this is not new and it’s not just about the Anderson Institute. This work has been going on, and by the way you’re paying for it with your tax dollars around the world in multiple nations. But I would just encourage everybody that if you really have an interest to understand this don’t be afraid to take it on our personal journeys as we try to better lead those lives that we all want to lead.

Alan Steinfeld

Right. Well speaking about that I just had one more question. Do you ever have any contact or awareness of ET forces, extraterrestrial type of forces, or is that outside your field of study?

David Anderson

It’s outside of our field. We do of course look at information on that. We actually have an interesting policy. Every employee at the Anderson Institute regardless of their position must spend eight hours a month in training studying a non-technical view or perspective of time. And of course encounters with possible time travelers from our futures are one of those. And we really aren’t experts in the area but we do tend to have a lot of discussions at the same time.

Alan Steinfeld

So, what, do you want to share any of your personal beliefs about extraterrestrials and their technologies?

David Anderson

Oh, well, yeah, I would. Interestingly enough actually we’re going to be publishing an article on that I think that’ll go out in the October timeframe. Be our first article ever because we typically don’t write about the subject. But my personal opinion is first I’m not really qualified to comment. But when you consider, when we look at what we understand today about time control technology, the various ones that are in use today, and if we hypothetically said let’s build a craft that can travel using these technologies in a more refined capability, what do the laws of mathematics and physics say an observer would see? And what’s interesting to us is that when you look at the observations of people who have had close encounters and they describe the different phenomenon they’ve seen in terms of movement and light and sound, they are extremely consistent, higher than 95% consistent with what the new laws of mathematics and physics of time say they should see if these vehicles were using time control technologies. So that I can tell you. I know that was a little too couched for safety but-

Alan Steinfeld

No, no, I get it and that’s very interesting and thanks for sharing that. I think that’s a really great confirmation for me anyway that there is a reality to some of what people have seen. So thank you. Thank you again for all your research and discoveries because this is history. I know you say where history is becoming an experimental science but you’re making history and erasing it too. You’re making history. And I’m really fascinated. So hopefully we can talk again and find out any developments in this area. So thank you.

David Anderson

Maybe we could find an opportunity to meet and speak in person in New York. That would be a great opportunity. But I wish you a wonderful night and thank you again so much Alan and all my best regards to all your listeners and I’d invite them again to please join us and we’ll do our best to respond if there are any questions after the show.

Alan Steinfeld

Definitely and I’ve been talking to David Anderson of theandersoninstitute.com. Time travel technologies. Just it’s just amazing because it’s not science fiction, it is a reality and you’ve really confirmed a lot of what I’ve suspected is possible just intuitively. So thanks for being a guest on New Realities.

David Anderson

My pleasure Alan.

Alan Steinfeld

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