New Realities recorded on June 10, 2007
Summary
In this episode of New Realities, host Alan Steinfeld interviews author and clairvoyant Tricia McCannon. They discuss her book series, ‘Decoding the Mysteries of the Ages,’ focusing on the esoteric teachings of Jesus, extraterrestrial origins, and particularly the ancient Egyptian mysteries of Isis and Osiris. McCannon explains the metaphorical and spiritual significance of the Osiris myth as a journey of the soul’s descent into matter and its ultimate resurrection through inner alchemy and the awakening of heart intelligence.
Transcript
Alan Steinfeld
Welcome to New Realities. This is Alan Steinfeld, and every week I host this show in order to bring new ideas, new dimensions, and new spiritual innovations to the planet. New Realities is dedicated to exploring evolving human potentials in an evolving world. This series explores the ideas of how to become more conscious beings. I present programs and invite the viewer and listener to look at their automatic behaviors and take free rein of their body, mind, and spirit so that we can hope to inhabit a better planet. This program is a take-off on the television show I’ve been doing about 15 years in Manhattan. Radio and internet radio is an expanding medium, and bbsradio.com is one of the innovators in the field. So I thought I’d bring this show to the radio and gain more listeners. If people want to watch me on television, they can tune into mnn.org every Monday night, or if they’re in Manhattan, watch me 9pm Mondays, Channel 57. I’m also on YouTube at youtube/newrealities. Tonight I have a very exciting guest, a person who has been a friend of mine for a long time and has a lot of ancient and new information. Her name is Tricia McCannon. She’s the author of Dialogues with the Angels, which is a book that I am also featured in a chapter, and she’s here to talk about some of her latest metaphysical discoveries, particularly Alchemy, and the whole understanding of what Alchemy is and the Alchemist Dream. Tricia, are you there?
Tricia McCannon
I am indeed. Alan, nice to talk with you again.
Alan Steinfeld
Yes. I know. This is exciting because we’ve been friends a long time, and I think we’ve always wanted to do an interview. You come out with so much good stuff.
Tricia McCannon
It’s true. It’s true. And I was up in New York just recently and got a chance to see you, and you look like you’re doing a fabulous television as well as radio show.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, normally usually in the beginning of the program I highlight some of the events that I’m promoting around the city and around the country, but I wanted to get right to you. But there is a big UFO conference that I’m part of, which is called Culture of Contact, that’s coming up on June 22nd, 23rd, and 24th, and people can look up Culture of Contact on the internet.
Tricia McCannon
Is that in New York?
Alan Steinfeld
That will be in New York, and it’s the 60th anniversary celebration of the Kenneth Arnold sightings, who coined the word ‘flying saucer’, and the Roswell crash, which everyone knows.
Tricia McCannon
That sounds like it’s going to be a great show. I wish I could be there. But as you know, I’ve been ensconced teaching down here in the Southeast.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I know. Tricia is in Atlanta and she does workshops, and I guess we’ll get into what it is that you are doing a little bit. Because a lot of the time that you and I have known each other, Alan, I was speaking in about ten US cities and about three countries a year. And the last two and a half years, I’ve kind of come off the international circuit to really focus on writing this incredible series of books.
Tricia McCannon
What’s the name of that series? It’s called Decoding the Mysteries of the Ages. Decoding the Mysteries of the Ages. And the very first one of the books is The Lost Years and Secret Teachings of Jesus, where we really go into the Hermetic codes of creation and Alchemy and a lot of the amazing journey that he took during his 29 years of silence, where we don’t hear about him in the Bible.
Alan Steinfeld
And where do you get your information from? I mean, are you just accessing it from the Akashic records, shall we say, or are you doing research?
Tricia McCannon
You know that I’m a clairvoyant and that I have been a time walker who’s been able to travel the timeline for most of my life. And I’ve probably read for about 6,000 people professionally, internationally. I have clients who call me all the time from around the country. And I would welcome our listeners if they’re interested, I’ll speak a little bit about my work.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, do. And give some information about how to find you and connect and actually, if they wanted to do readings, that’s fine too.
Tricia McCannon
That would be great. My phone number in Atlanta is 404-355-2211, and you can find me on the internet at triciamccannongateway.com and triciamccannonspeaks. And that’s M-C-C-A-N-N-O-N, right? Your last name.
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, exactly. And Tricia is T-R-I-C-I-A.
Tricia McCannon
Yes, you got it. That’s perfect. So, yes, I’ve been doing this amazing series. When I came off the road about two and a half years ago and rolled up my sleeves to write these books, the second one by the way is called Isis, Horus, and the Hermetic Codes of Creation.
Alan Steinfeld
So you go from Jesus, you introduce the series with Jesus, and then you go back to Egypt to kind of bring through the ancient knowledge.
Tricia McCannon
Yes, actually all through the book with Jesus, I’m tracing what he did in those 29 years where he studied in all these Hermetic mysteries. How he went to Celtic England and studied with the Druids in those universities. I track him through to India and him studying with the Brahmins. And then he goes to the land where Buddha had his enlightenment experience and literally is received as the second Buddha that the first Buddha predicted would come in 500 years.
Alan Steinfeld
And this all comes to you? Because this sounds like new knowledge, this sounds like… No, no, let me say this book has 300 footnotes in it.
Tricia McCannon
And so, this is the thing, as a time walker, I’ve gone back in time and seen things, and then I’ve gone to do the research to find the 3D evidence for what I’ve seen. Great. It’s a very powerful combination.
Alan Steinfeld
So it’s scholarly as well as intuitive.
Tricia McCannon
Also, you know, I come out of the world of commercial advertising and photography, and so I’m very visually based. So I’ve laid all these incredible visual codes through all of my books, which are great.
Alan Steinfeld
So actually, your books themselves are sort of an initiation process.
Tricia McCannon
Oh Alan, you have got it. You just like know immediately what I’m talking about. They really are.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, no, because it’s also what Nicki Scully and Linda Star Wolf were trying to do in their last book which I interviewed them on television, Shamanic Mysteries of Egypt, what take people through the initiation process. And I think ultimately that’s what knowledge is about. Knowledge is about transformation. As you receive more knowledge, you are then at a higher state of vibration, and you’ve gone through an initiation, if you truly receive that knowledge into your DNA, if you let the knowledge change you. Wouldn’t you say that’s what you’re about?
Tricia McCannon
Yes, absolutely. And you know, I think that I’ve been teaching, this is another thing that’s been very exciting while I’ve been off the road on top of writing these series of books and doing a whole series of DVDs, I’ve been teaching a class in 2005 and 2006 called Earth Revelations 2012. And the last book in this series is exactly that title. And it’s really about all the phenomenal changes that are coming and what I’ve seen clairvoyantly, and of course, once again, I go out and do the research.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I want to have a 2012 conference in New York and I’d love to invite you and maybe we could even…
Tricia McCannon
You bet. And I think we have to practice. I think we need to do it for some years. This is what Andy Kane and I have been talking about. So we definitely want to get you involved in that.
Alan Steinfeld
Well just a little window into the 2012. What’s your basic thing? Do you think it’s the end of time? Do you think we’ll move into a whole… I think a whole new dimension. I mean what’s your basic impression about that?
Tricia McCannon
Let me say that you’re jumping into the future, and if you don’t mind, I would really love to talk a little bit about the past because the seeds of the future are laid in the present and the present seeds are laid in the past. Okay. So part of what I’ve been, I’m doing with the series is going all the way back to, the third book in the series is called the 12 Extraterrestrial Races that Seeded the Planet Earth.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, you’re covering all the great topics that I like to talk about. Alchemy, extraterrestrials, the mystery schools, these are all… this is exactly what makes up New Realities as far as I’m concerned. That’s my interest in all those fields. No wonder we’ve been friends so long.
Tricia McCannon
It’s so true, Alan. I think we’ve been friends for many millennia, actually.
Alan Steinfeld
We were in Sedona together, weren’t we? We went to Sedona didn’t we?
Tricia McCannon
We were in Egypt together. No I didn’t mean this lifetime, Alan. I mean another lifetime.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, right. Those, those times in Egypt. Oh, okay.
Tricia McCannon
This is why we’re both involved in bringing out, this is why here you are supporting me and bringing out the Egyptian information.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I think tonight though, what we can really focus on is what you call the Alchemist Dream, about these inner transformations. Which is Alchemy.
Tricia McCannon
Perfect. Perfect. My pleasure. Okay. So you do, you do a class on this, but let’s drop some seeds and give some information about what I know Alchemy is. It is an outer and inner transformation. The metaphor of lead into gold was turning the body into spirit. Is that where you begin?
Alan Steinfeld
That is in fact the quest of the great work as they call it, and the quest of alchemy. And it is not only physical but it is metaphysical. It is not only true, but it is transcendentally true. Which means it really is an alchemy of the personality self from the drudgery and restrictions of the egoic nature into the higher octaves of the soul nature to become what the Egyptians talked about, which was the Bennu bird.
Tricia McCannon
The Bennu bird, the Phoenix rising out of its own ashes.
Alan Steinfeld
The Phoenix that dies and is reborn. And this is really at the heart of all the great mysteries.
Tricia McCannon
And all the shamanic initiations as well. They were about that, the dying to the old self and being reborn to the new self. Isn’t that it?
Alan Steinfeld
It’s so true. It’s true. And one of the things that’s so profound is the… is the Jesus mysteries, which are just absolutely beautiful. They’re… I love Jesus, he’s one of my favorite guys. But those mysteries are actually based on the Osirian and the Isian mysteries.
Tricia McCannon
In what way? Go through what the Osirian mysteries were because people aren’t really familiar.
Alan Steinfeld
Well to do this we will tell, you know we must tell the story of who Osiris was and who Isis was. And this is a very powerful story. It’s one of…
Tricia McCannon
Well they were a husband and wife and brother and sister, weren’t they?
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, yes, well let me… let me… let me tell a little bit because this is where the joy of let us say archetypal mythology and archetypal living exists. It’s sort of like there are these templates from the higher worlds that come down and actually take birth in the world. And Isis and Osiris and Jesus and Mary were those, those same vibrational templates. They just came in completely different ages of the world. And they meet my soulmates in a sense. They represented the archetypal male and female balance of the yin and yang, is that what you’re saying? They totally did, in the Christed and the Sophia aspects.
Tricia McCannon
The Christed and Sophia.
Alan Steinfeld
Isis was really the female Christ of her age. She redeemed the whole planet. And so the story, just sort of briefly for our listeners that don’t know, is that Osiris was… Osiris and Isis were both the daughters of Nut, the goddess of the heavens, the goddess of the stars. But Isis’s father was Thoth, the great…
Tricia McCannon
Isis’s father and Osiris’s father was Thoth?
Alan Steinfeld
No, Osiris’s father was Ra.
Tricia McCannon
Oh, they had different fathers, but the same mother.
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, but Ra and Thoth got along quite well. Ra was sort of the head of Egypt, and Thoth had been the chief counselor for ever. And so they always, in fact, one of Thoth’s names was Tongue of Ra, the mouth of Ra, the one who enacted the will or the word of Ra, the brother Ra. So no problem.
Tricia McCannon
Thoth has this also a special significance especially to you and also as a level of consciousness, as a communicator.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, Horus is a whole another thing, when we get there… But Thoth, Thoth… But I mean, you want to go into who Thoth was as an Egyptian…
Tricia McCannon
Well let me, let’s just speak for a moment about… because Thoth oversees all great mystery schools, and I work with Thoth a great deal. But this is what we want to say about Isis and Osiris, that they were married, and there were four, a total of four of them. Nephthys and Set, or Typhon, who we will eventually get… Set too was his real name. We finally got the word Satan, you know, from that, because he sort of went to the dark side of the force. They were married. So there was the lunar couple, the dark couple, and he was sort of the dark evil, and she was the dark good, okay. And then the other couple was the solar couple, Isis and Osiris. And he was an agrarian king, but he had… he played music, he sang, he understood all the arts of civilization, and after the flood, he traveled around the world for literally hundreds of years, helping to recreate civilization. And he was beloved by everybody. And Isis, meantime, held the fort so to speak and rebuilt civilization in Egypt.
Alan Steinfeld
Well this is, you’re saying, after the Atlantean flood, the flood of Noah. That’s… okay, I’m with you.
Tricia McCannon
The flood, 11,500 years ago. Okay, I got you.
Alan Steinfeld
When this happened, what occurred was actually, because there were two half-brothers, even though Ra was… would be, let’s just say, Ra would be three generations up, he would have been the grandsire of Set’s father. So consequently, in truth, Ra could have just turned to his son Osiris and said you get the whole kingdom. But what he did to try to be fair was he broke the kingdom into upper and lower Egypt. And he gave Osiris northern Egypt where the pyramids are, and he gave Set, lower Egypt, down where the Nile begins to run down from the mountains. And okay, so what happened was Set’s father was afraid that he was going to lose the whole line of lineage. So he sort of whispered in his ear and said, you know, your half-brother’s gonna take the whole kingdom, you have to act, etc, etc. And so he built, you know, on fear and lies and illusion, his own fears, he pushed his son ambitiously, and Set took the bait. So Set rigged this party where he invited Osiris, and he knew Isis wouldn’t be there to protect her husband, and she was totally intuitive and she could have seen it coming, right?
Tricia McCannon
Well, let us hope. But what happened is that he had had this beautiful golden coffin, all highly decorated, built, and he had it built exactly to Osiris’s size. And so they, you know, pretended to sort of like have a bit of a party joke and say, well whoever can fit in it can have this gorgeous case. So of course, one by one people got in, and finally Osiris got in. As soon as he did, of course, the 72 co-conspirators that were working with Set literally sealed the coffin, put molten lead around it, took it down and threw it in the river. So he was sealed alive. This is horrendous. So of course Isis heard about this, she cut the locks of her hair, and this is one of the reasons why the priests of Osiris many times would have shaved heads, in honor of her cutting her hair.
Alan Steinfeld
Ah, didn’t know that. Oh, that’s interesting. Okay.
Tricia McCannon
And so, she realized that she was in grave danger, because politically all he had to do was get her, rape her, and then claim the kingdom, the whole kingdom, and have a child with her. So of course this is really what he wanted to do. So she had to go undercover, and she took her nephew, Nephthys’s son, Anubis. And Anubis, and she traveled, you know, clandestinely through all the cities, and eventually they heard wind that the coffin was in a place called Byblos, which is up near Jordan. You know, it’s on the western inner sea. And they followed it up there. And Isis was so intuitive she went by herself. And she had to, had to mask herself, so she didn’t want anyone to really know who she was. So she sat by the well in the center of town and these servant women of the Queen came. And they she plaited their hair, and they began to smell where the perfume that she had. And when they went back to the palace, the Queen said, where did you get that incredible perfume? And they told about this beautiful strange woman that had plaited their hair. So the Queen sent for her. And Isis, remember, was trying to go undercover because she didn’t really want to be found. And the Queen offered her a job as the nursemaid to her child.
Alan Steinfeld
And I thought she wanted to have, be the nursemaid, to get in with the Queen, because she knew that the…
Tricia McCannon
Yes, that was her plan. Exactly, that was her plan. And so you know, she could feel Osiris close. Because as you said, she was very intuitive. But she didn’t know exactly where he was. And so, she actually, the story was that she took a fondness to the Queen’s son and began to bathe him in the fires of immortality. And one day the Queen came in and found her, and of course screamed and freaked out because she was holding him over the fire in order to give him the immortal body.
Alan Steinfeld
Exactly. And so of course then Isis revealed who she was, and she said, I feel that he’s in this column. They cut down the column to the sycamore tree, the sycamore tree that had been made into a pillar. And she didn’t even, you know, she got the coffin out of it, but she didn’t open the coffin while she was there, she was scared to. So she finally got on board the boat on her way back to Egypt. And they talk about how she took the lid off the coffin, and she saw him still perfectly preserved, and how she threw herself on his body and began to weep. I mean, she really went through a lot. I thought there was a part of the story where his body was cut up into pieces, or are we getting to that?
Tricia McCannon
We’re getting to that. Oh, okay.
Alan Steinfeld
So she arrived in Buto and she went in search of help. She went to try to find her father Thoth to see if there was something that they could do. And when she came back, what had happened is his body had been taken. Set, very crafty that he was, was out hunting. And he found the coffin, and he found his brother’s body, and he hacked it into 14 pieces. And they say they scattered them through the, through the Nile. Now there’s many stories about, some say it took her three days, some say it took her three months, some say it took her three years, there’s all these different stories.
Tricia McCannon
But three seems to be something involved in that, right? Three?
Alan Steinfeld
Yes. So then she called upon Anubis, and Anubis created the first funerary rites where they wound all a linen wrap around all the pieces of the body. And Isis actually…
Tricia McCannon
They wrap linen around every part of the body?
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, like a mummy.
Tricia McCannon
Like what? Like a mummy. Oh, I see, I see. These were the first funerary rites.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, because Anubis is the god over mummification.
Tricia McCannon
He’s the, no, yeah, Anubis is the god over mummification. And Osiris became the Lord of Light in Heaven, or what they call the Halls of Amenti. The Lord of Light that greets the soul when they come to the other side. And gives them forgiveness. So in our story…
Alan Steinfeld
Isis actually, they talked about how she turned herself into a kite and fanned her wings over him and impregnated herself. And from this she gave birth to the young child Horus.
Tricia McCannon
Wait, wait, so she found… wait, wait, she found all the parts of the body, right? So… except the penis. The phallus, right. The phallus is missing.
Alan Steinfeld
She never found the phallus. Poor guy.
Tricia McCannon
Well, I mean, see these stories, they could be literally true, but they could be metaphorically true.
Alan Steinfeld
But you know, yes, I was just noticing in the Temple of Abydos in Egypt, there is a hieroglyph of Isis putting the phallus back on Osiris.
Tricia McCannon
I didn’t know about that. And the way I heard it is that she laid on the parts of the body and as she completed them, but he infused his soul essence into her and she became Isis Osiris in one body. But out of that infusion of energy, she was able to give birth as a virgin birth, you know. So I think…
Alan Steinfeld
That is the perfect description. The perfect description. So she became known not only as the Divine Goddess Virgin Mother, but she also gave birth to the redeemer of his age, Horus, as Jesus was the redeemer of his age. But where were we, I lost my place.
Tricia McCannon
No, but I want to know, so I mean, this is a great story, but how does this then apply to the act of initiation for the people that you work with? I mean, you tell them the story, but then what does the story do?
Alan Steinfeld
Well, right. Well let me just say, I’ll be glad to share a little of that, but you’re not going to, our viewers are probably not going to get initiated tonight, this is a little more to it than listening on the radio.
Tricia McCannon
No, but I just want to know how the story relates to…
Alan Steinfeld
How the story applies is that Isis, the divine mother of unconditional love and devotion so to speak, who was the Christ of her age, was able to bring her husband back from the dead. So the story has to do with resurrection. So Isis… Through love, we are redeemed. That would be a shorthand way of saying it. Through love we are resurrected, through the divine mother of eternal devotion, we are able to die and be reborn.
Tricia McCannon
So do you talk to your students about the two parts in us, the male and female aspects in us? In each one of them?
Alan Steinfeld
I do indeed. I do indeed. You know, the mystery school…
Tricia McCannon
No, no go ahead, the mysteries go ahead.
Alan Steinfeld
The mystery school that I am teaching in, I have a lodge called the Phoenix Fire Lodge, the Order of the Eagle and the Dove. And like all great mystery schools, it’s on three levels. So, you know, the Crown of Isis was three levels. For example, the Druids, three levels, the Ovates who were the healers, the bards, the singers, and the history keepers, they had to memorize over a thousand songs.
Tricia McCannon
Well are the three levels then the body, mind, and spirit, in a sense? Is that what the three levels are?
Alan Steinfeld
Well, sort of, but the Egyptians believed that we were eternal souls, that that was the essence of who we are, our Ba, so to speak, that’s our soul. But that we had a mental, a physical, and an emotional body. So I think you’re completely on the right track.
Tricia McCannon
So as, so in these three levels in your mystery school, people go through these three levels of awareness using their own life, is that what you do with them?
Alan Steinfeld
Well that’s one way of putting it, yes, our own life is definitely the paintbox from which we draw the paints. So absolutely, you know, I’m hoping to come, I just was in New York recently, and I’m hoping to come back and do a workshop or two or three, maybe begin a series up there of the Alchemist Dream, which are just stunningly beautiful…
Tricia McCannon
Well let’s talk about that because I’m also going to make this available, I mean people can listen to the archives of this show on bbsradio.com and so this could sort of be an introduction to the Alchemist Dream.
Alan Steinfeld
Well that would certainly be appropriate. When I… When I teach the mystery school, that is a little different from what I would probably do in New York. The the depth and breadth of the information I’ve been teaching in the in the school is such that even within a weekend, and we have, you know a six month, the first level is six months, or six weekends, and it can be six months, nine months, I can spread it out as long as we want to. And the second level is all the Egyptian mysteries and that’s a whole year, they’re nine weekends in a year. So in those, we still can’t cover everything we have to cover, because we do a lot of processes.
Tricia McCannon
Right, what kind of processes do you mean, like just a little…
Alan Steinfeld
It’s a mystery, darling. You keep wanting to like have it…
Tricia McCannon
I want to get a spill the beans, I know. I’m not going to. I mean, I’m just…
Alan Steinfeld
No, I’m not saying you have to tell, give away the process, but I mean just give people a kind of taste of what kind of work they might have to do, you know to kind of do it, but like… I mean a little something.
Tricia McCannon
Well let us say this, in the first level of the Mystery School, I teach them the directions of time and space, and the wheels of the minerals, the plants, the animals, and the human kingdoms from the twisted hair. I, they begin to work with the goddess, where they begin to have a lot of direct experiences with the goddess herself, not only mentally but emotionally, and in terms of doing inner chamber work, inner temple work, and then we do a lot of outer temple work. I’m very big on ceremony, so I’ll take people up to the top of a mountain or I’ll take them to an island on a lake with torches. I’ll take them and we’ve done baptism rites under the moon. We’ve done, there’s a lot of things that we have done. I believe in the right and the left brain, and so I teach from the right eye of Horus and the left eye. So they have a workbook that’s about three inches thick, and it’s lots of fun. And so I’ll teach a bit, then we’ll get up and we’ll do a process. Then sometimes the process is with one another, sometimes the process is going out and doing something quite extraordinary, sometimes it’s something that they have to do alone.
Alan Steinfeld
But all these processes help develop one’s own connection to their own spirit, would you say that?
Tricia McCannon
Totally, and it begins to open you up to clairaudience, clairvoyance, clairsentience, and also to the inner alchemy, the work of coming to bringing healing the psyche, healing the emotional body, healing the mental body, healing all the bodies. And, and it’s fun, I mean at the same time, it’s not like you think you’re going to do healing, you think you’re going to have a really fun wonderful weekend, that’s sort of what you think. And then there’s always the magic part, and so we do magic.
Alan Steinfeld
What does that mean?
Tricia McCannon
Well again you know, what is magic? It is… I don’t know what it is.
Alan Steinfeld
It is the combined use of thought, mind, and will with the universal current to create change.
Tricia McCannon
Oh I like that. Let me write that… say that again. Magic… I have no idea what I said.
Alan Steinfeld
It is the combined complete alignment of mind, body, and will, in joining thought, in sacred ground and sacred time and sacred space, with conscious intention, invoking profound deities from all the archetypal and spiritual hierarchical realms, and sending a shower of love and intentionality for whatever you intend, you know, a job, abundance, service to the planet, a wonderful life companion or mate, whatever it is that you will, as long as it is in the highest good. And that is the difference in, let us say, high vibrational archetypal communication with the inner realms and more personal, lowly magic, if you don’t mind my saying so.
Tricia McCannon
No I understand. No there’s magic that comes from the ego and through manipulation. And there is the higher magic which is service. Which is really about stepping through the worlds, pulling back the veils and stepping between the worlds. And I really have, when you know those seven rays that they say people come in on, I came in on the ray of an archetypal magician shaman woman, with a lot of the love-wisdom ray thrown in there for good measure.
Alan Steinfeld
Well that’s good. Yeah, just… and it’s a good thing too, because if you were doing the higher level, bringing in those higher frequencies without the love and wisdom, you wouldn’t even be able to get there.
Tricia McCannon
So the Alchemist Dream, is this what sort of what you’re talking about? Is this when you talk about the work of the Alchemist Dream?
Alan Steinfeld
The work of the Alchemist Dream is this, it is a process of becoming an enlightened solar being. Doing what the Egyptians said, becoming a star.
Tricia McCannon
Becoming a star. And that’s a tall order. This was what the pharaohs hoped, that by the depth and the devotion of their service, and I think this is very true in the old kingdom, probably a lot of the middle kingdom and maybe even some of the pharaohs in the new kingdom too.
Alan Steinfeld
So you say by becoming a star, what I get from that is that we take this earth body and we raise the vibration until we then radiate love and light and life out as what I think a star does, you know it radiates out creation. Is that what they meant by becoming a star?
Tricia McCannon
I think that those are definitely meanings that would apply. What do you get?
Alan Steinfeld
I think it’s all of the above. And this is where, you know, a lot of these things are literal and archetypal. Because they’re literal and they’re multidimensional. For example, you know, I perceive the consciousness of the sun as totally alive. I perceive it is literally the controller and regulator of our whole solar system.
Tricia McCannon
As a conscious being.
Alan Steinfeld
As a conscious being. And one of the things that happens at the at the harvesting of of every 26,000 year age, is there’s an opportunity for the harvesting of consciousness. Of everything that’s taken place on the, in the solar system. So all this experience is kind of sent back to the center and then relayed from our sun to the great central sun.
Tricia McCannon
So the great central sun then is actually a higher consciousness of our solar sun. Exactly, exactly. And that’s the great overlord of our, of our dimensional space in a sense then. Really, not only our dimensional space, but I, all the ancients talked about the overlay of multidimensions. And it’s so wonderful that in quantum physics now, they’ve come to the place of saying that they know there are at least 10 different dimensional levels and there could be more, which I think is just so perfect. Don’t you?
Alan Steinfeld
Well it makes sense, but I don’t really understand what they’re saying. I mean, it’s hard to grasp more than maybe three, four, five maybe dimensions, if you’re really out there. I don’t really know where all those other dimensions are, except in string theory they sort of rolled up inside of each other. I mean, I don’t quite understand it.
Tricia McCannon
Well, I think definitely something we could contemplate on for a long time and there are many brilliant people from philosophers to scientists to physicists to cosmologists who have worked on this. But for me, I actually see, you know I’m a seer. And seers are clairvoyant. They all have their antennas pointed in different directions. So some are pointed let’s say to the fourth dimension where they get to talk to the dead. I mean, they’re not really dead, but they’re not on the physical. The other levels of consciousness. Yeah, yeah. There’s some people that have their clairvoyant antenna pointed to the stock market, you know. I would never claim to be one of those people. Well that would be a good one.
Alan Steinfeld
That would be a good one. But my, my clairvoyant antenna is pointed to the highest dimensional levels of who we are as a soul. How is the structure of the higher angelic kingdoms, the Council of Nine, the Nine Orders of the Angels, the seven, the twelve dimensional levels, the twelve sub-octaves, the seven that are in the lower world. I mean I travel up and down all these dimensions when I do past life readings for people.
Tricia McCannon
Well I think people should know that we really do exist on all those other levels. We are truly multi-dimensional beings. If there are 10 dimensions, we exist on all 10 of those dimensions as as… exactly. And it’s directly related to what we’re doing in this lifetime. This is something I could say unequivocally in 6,000 readings, this has always been true. That who we have, who we are on those different levels and who we have been is directly related to why we came into this lifetime, our purpose, our karma or our wounding, and our dharma or our higher purpose in life.
So this has to do with the path of mastery. And this is also part of what I teach in these mystery schools is for each person to find the path of their karma and follow it to the path of their dharma or their fulfillment.
Alan Steinfeld
Right, and dharma is why they’ve incarnated in the first place in a sense, why…
Tricia McCannon
The work that they have come to do.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. And so that’s also connected with the Kabbalah as well, would you say?
Tricia McCannon
This is true, this is… yes, you could say that. How would you view that?
Alan Steinfeld
Well because the Kabbalah gives you a direction in life to complete what they say has been out of balance. So you have this road map and you see where you show up and what’s missing in you that the Kabbalah, that the tree of life or the Kabbalah provides, and then you sort of follow that path. You look at the ramifications of where you’re at on your evolution. So I would say in that sense the Kabbalah tree of life is a map for your own soul. And the the…
Tricia McCannon
Where would you place the the 22 arcana… where am I?
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah. Well, me me per… thank you for asking. I’m trying to move from knowledge into wisdom. I’m trying to, I’ve collected a lot of knowledge, but I think I think those, that’s the upper realm there from knowledge to wisdom. I don’t know what the actual Hebrew name is, but I’m I’m…
Tricia McCannon
Binah. Binah is the female aspect of wisdom.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. And like Sophia. But so I’m trying to take the knowledge that I’ve learned, because I’ve collected a lot, and digest it so that it becomes experience and wisdom. Because I think wisdom comes from experience, but you need knowledge as a way to show you the process of digesting, you know, true experience. So we might have the same experience, but with knowledge, it becomes higher levels of wisdom. Does that make sense?
Tricia McCannon
It, it does. And this is interesting because…
Alan Steinfeld
Did I lose you?
Tricia McCannon
No, I just I didn’t get lost. So what I would say about this is this reminds me actually of this chapter I’m writing right now in my books, where I’m discussing the Egyptian belief that there were two types of intelligence. One type is what we call today the left-brain literal logic cerebral intelligence. It’s dualistic, it’s higher, lower, shorter, taller, fatter, skinnier, it’s all dualistic, and it’s analytical, it’s mapped out.
Alan Steinfeld
It’s learned. It’s the learned wisdom, it’s the wisdom of the mind, yeah. It’s not so much wisdom, it’s judgment, calculation, analysis, knowledge. Yeah, it’s the book learning. I think Rumi has a poem about that as well, the wisdom of the knowledge of the mind and versus the heart, is that the other part?
Tricia McCannon
Oh you should turn me onto that poem, I’d like to… The intuitive, the intuitive parts of our self. Maybe I’ll just find that right now, I’ll just find that poem and… But keep talking, so what’s the other part in your book?
Tricia McCannon
The other intelligence is what is called the intelligence of the heart. And it is, it is innate, and it is unified. And it penetrates beyond the world of form. And this is the language really of Hermetics. And I’m a hermeticist.
Alan Steinfeld
And that’s what you’re teaching. That particular language of, I mean how to tap in and understand the language of the heart is really your work, isn’t it?
Tricia McCannon
It is. It is in fact. And I do it using both the right and the left sides, the cerebral intelligence and the innate. But it’s like we’re going from the outer anteroom of knowledge into the heart of beingness, into that innate intelligence.
Alan Steinfeld
Well let me read you a little Rumi poem here, okay?
Tricia McCannon
Okay, well listen I want to get a pen and actually write down what couplet it is or a piece.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay, okay, but I can call you up after the show and tell you that, but um… But I will do that. But it just says, and this is about the wisdom of the heart. He says, those who don’t feel this love pulling them like a river, those who don’t drink dawn like a cup of spring water or take in sunset like supper, those who don’t want to change, let them sleep. This love is beyond the study of theology, that old trickery and hypocrisy. If you want to improve your mind that way, sleep on. I’ve given up on my brain. I’ve torn the cloth to shreds and thrown it away. If you’re not completely empty, wrap your beautiful robe of words around you and sleep.
Tricia McCannon
Oh my god, that is awesome.
Alan Steinfeld
That is some Coleman Barks’ translation of Rumi in a collection called Like This. Yeah, no, Rumi understood that knowledge of the heart, that wisdom of the heart that you’re talking about, you know. He says something like, science and theology are just whims of the wind. If you, if winds of the wind, if you knew the knowledge of your heart, that is full surrender, you know. It’s a different way of knowing. I think that’s what you’re talking about, there’s other ways of knowing beyond your intelligence, your childish intelligence he calls it. That’s what Rumi calls this, this, this knowledge of our brain. So that’s where I’m at. I’m trying to move from knowledge of the mind to the wisdom of the heart, you know.
Tricia McCannon
Well that is definitely the initiate’s quest and that is exactly to the point of the philosopher’s stone where we are turning the lead into gold. So that’s a pretty powerful point to stop at.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay, Tricia. Thank you Tricia. Thank you for being a guest on New Realities.
Tricia McCannon
I love your show and we can talk about a million things, this is just a beginning.
Alan Steinfeld
Well let’s do some more shows, in the next coming weeks especially if you’re coming to New York and…
Tricia McCannon
Great, I can’t next week I’m teaching the Egyptian weekend of the Goddess Nephthys. So I can’t do it next week, but we can go for the Sunday after that perhaps.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, just give the listeners a little overview of what you are teaching just so they get a sense like and you can give your number again of coming courses.
Tricia McCannon
Sure, my phone number in Atlanta is 404-355-2211, and you’ll either get me or you’ll get my machine, and be sure and leave your name and phone number a couple of times. I do clairvoyant readings for people all around the country and I do astrological readings. And all the rest of the work I do has to do with spiritual healing. I have discovered through doing these 6,000 readings that many times people are stuck by things that no matter how hard they try, they don’t know how to shift. And so my work has to do with shifting very core levels of energy. Vows, curses, bindings, cords, erroneous belief systems, and old soul contracts. And there are about seven healing modalities that I work in that cover that. To do the healing work though, I actually have to see you in person, the readings I can do over the phone.
Alan Steinfeld
Wait, so you’re saying people can do a lot of therapy, a lot of willing, but they have some energetic bonds around them that still stop them from completing what they need to…
Tricia McCannon
Yes, one of the best ways to explain this is just to imagine that there are four slide projectors and they’re all projecting a picture onto a wall. And that wall is your life. And those four slide projectors are the busy beta brain of the conscious mind, the alpha mind, subconscious creative mind, the theta, deep subconscious spiritual mind, and the delta, which is the soul mind or the higher self. And most of our problems, some of course are in the conscious level, but most of our problems are in alpha and in theta. And so in order to change the slide, people just keep trying to change the top slide, and the picture doesn’t change enough. And that’s because the slide they want to change is in the second carousel or the third carousel.
Alan Steinfeld
And they don’t have access to it.
Tricia McCannon
And they don’t have access. So in order to change those things, it’s very difficult for any one of us to do it for ourselves. We actually have to have help, because we can’t be the healer and the healed. We can’t be the patient and the doctor at the same time. We have to be willing to go down into the alpha theta state of consciousness and, and really begin to shift. And so this is one of the reasons why sometimes when you do very deep retreats, there’ll be a shift, because you’ll spend some time down there. But if you just do two hour or two day or three day silence and meditation retreats, sometimes, you know, you get what you need and sometimes you don’t. You know, it’s like the two Yin. This is the whole thing about the middle path that Jesus talked about, Lao Tzu and Buddha. This is very much about the two pillars of knowledge and walking between those pillars. The Yin and the Yang, the right and left brain, you know, knowledge and wisdom. You know, everything we’re talking about is, is the same. It’s like a hologram.
Alan Steinfeld
So you have to go into those altered states of consciousness, you’re saying,
Tricia McCannon
In order to get the work done and to do the inner alchemy.
Alan Steinfeld
But you help facilitate that.
Tricia McCannon
Yes, I yes, and that’s what we’re doing in the mystery school part of the time.
Alan Steinfeld
I see. So that’s the purpose of being in a mystery school instead of just doing it on your own is that there’s facilitators there and you
Tricia McCannon
can go from the left to the right. Left to the right. When you’re in the middle of it, you have no perspective. It’s like the eagle that flies over the forest and the person that’s down on the ground stuck in a grove and can’t find their way out. In this case, I’m acting as the eagle energy that’s holding the field with the bigger vision.
Alan Steinfeld
The Hierophant is what they called it in the, in the Egyptian mystery schools, right?
Tricia McCannon
Yes, exactly. The Hierophant. Yes.
Alan Steinfeld
So you’re acting as the guide.
Tricia McCannon
Hiero means gods, and phant is an initiate. So it’s an initiate of the gods. An initiate, a high initiate of the gods or the goddess.
Alan Steinfeld
So you hold the space so people can then go deeper into themselves and access their own knowledge and integrate that balance between the left and right, the yin and the yang.
Tricia McCannon
Indeed, indeed. And this is… let me say that we started, you know I was going to get off the phone if you remember, but you’re so fascinating. It’s very easy not to. So let me just say that, I would be thrilled to come back. We can pick this up and we can actually do it on emotional healing if we want to. And…
Alan Steinfeld
Let’s do an emotion, you can work on me. I can let you use that.
Tricia McCannon
You’re so cute.
Alan Steinfeld
No, we’ll do another show. Definitely we’ll do another show in the upcoming weeks.
Tricia McCannon
That sounds absolutely great. And let’s look forward to setting a time for me to come to New York, and we will go over what that program is once we sort of had our have our dates and we’ll let people know. Because I love New York. I love coming there and I’ve been gone for about two and a half years and it’ll just be a pleasure to see everybody again.
Alan Steinfeld
It would, and I’ll put it out on this radio show and my television show. And it’ll be great to have you back in New York because I think you have a little piece of information most people don’t have. You know, or that you have a, you have a piece of that that adds to it. A lot of people on the spiritual path are looking for more of these connections, you know, and you have that, so stop holding out on us.
Tricia McCannon
I’m doing my best.
Alan Steinfeld
Alright Tricia.
Tricia McCannon
Thank you so much, Alan, and give me a shout back about Rumi, okay?
Alan Steinfeld
I will, I’ll call you back after the show. Thank you. Thanks Tricia, and I’ll talk to you soon. Okay, this is Alan Steinfeld, and New Realities, and I also do a television show every week, Monday nights, 9pm on Channel 57 in Manhattan. And there’s a bunch of other events that I’m co-sponsoring and hosting. One is called the Divine Feminine Return with an organization called Sexy Spirits, that is a Summer Solstice celebration where we have many people from the Divine Feminine tradition speaking about different ways of celebrating their sacred sexuality, who they are as, who we are as sexual beings. And there’ll be talks by Patricia Taylor, there a keynote speech by Patricia Taylor, who is a, now a student of Kashmir Shaivism, which is an originator of a lot of Tantric traditions. Also on June 22nd, 23rd, and 24th, at the Pioneer Theater in New York, will be a weekend of UFO Culture of Contact that will be in honor of the 60th anniversary of the flying saucer sightings of 1947. So this is 60 years later how UFOs have influenced our culture, we’ll be showing films like Contact, and I think Close Encounters will be shown there. And a lot of speakers, Budd Hopkins and Jeremy Vaeni, who is a guest on this show. So if you have any questions about the Culture of Contact weekend of June 22nd, 23rd, and 24th, please email me at newrealities@earthlink.net, and you can also listen to this show on its archives. And I also want to say you can watch my or look at my website, which is called New Realities at earthlink.net. No, it’s newrealities.tv if you want to kind of listen to some other guests that have been on this show and archives of this show and other shows. So newrealities.tv is the website. And I’m going to end with this song that I like to play at the end of this show, which is called A Night Before the Future, which is a sort of a song about UFOs, which will be a taste of the coming events on the upcoming shows. So it shows about UFOs, UFO cultures, and how we have been really consciously or unconsciously interacting, as like Tricia said, on many levels of being. So here’s Duke Williams singing, as I sign off for Alan Steinfeld, New Realities, a night before the future.