New Realities recorded on April 26, 2012
Summary
In this episode of New Realities, Alan Steinfeld interviews Joy Gilbert, the founder of Alien Contact Therapy. Joy shares her lifelong experiences with extraterrestrial beings, detailing her encounters with translucent blue entities and her cellular awakening aboard their ships. The conversation explores the profound shift in consciousness required to understand our multidimensional reality, the genetic upgrades happening to humanity, and the urgent need for spiritual evolution over material focus to prevent planetary destruction.
Transcript
Alan Steinfeld
Welcome to New Realities. This is Alan Steinfeld, and this is a program about the exploration of consciousness, who we are as an evolving civilization, and it really seems like it is coming down to the wire here, 2012. Tonight’s guest is very much connected to the evolution of our consciousness. She started a website called aliencontacttherapy.com, and she is a contactee herself. We’re going to talk about the shifting in consciousness that one has to have in order to be aware of who’s here. So my guest is Joy Gilbert. Welcome, Joy.
Joy Gilbert
Well, thank you. That was very nice. It’s fun to be here.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I feel I’m an experiencer and abductee, however you want to phrase that. The term has evolved, but I know my consciousness has been influenced by something inexplicable that isn’t human in the way that we are normally taught to relate. So it’s been a point of confusion, investigation, and inspiration for me, meeting people like you who I feel have put together a thesis in a sense about what’s really going on. So what’s really going on here? Tell us a little bit about your background.
Joy Gilbert
I started having really profound experiences, but as a little girl I didn’t think they were profound. I thought everybody had them. I’d wake up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom at two, three, and four years old. I remember the age because of where we lived when I was a little girl. There would be this blue-white light pulsating really extensively in my head. It was exquisite, it was beautiful, and I would spend hours hanging out there just thinking how cool it was. But I thought everyone had those experiences as a little girl. Does that make sense?
Alan Steinfeld
Absolutely. I kept focusing on my third eye for some reason. I would do this light meditation and the light came to me. So I totally understand.
Joy Gilbert
What you know when you’re a child.
Alan Steinfeld
But then what’s interesting about you is that you’ve expanded your consciousness to almost merge with the other.
Joy Gilbert
I feel like I am them and not human, even though I have a human body.
Alan Steinfeld
Explain that. Who are they?
Joy Gilbert
When they initially came and contacted me and let me know what they looked like, because if you’re raised in this culture, you’re enculturated to believe certain things, believing in human beings and the ideas of the Western culture and what’s on TV and what the media tells you. So when they came for me on January 31, 1993, and I got to see them for the first time, these are the same beings who had been coming to me my whole life and told me to go be with Maharishi and led me to the Tibetan Lamas, led me everywhere in my life so that by the time they were ready to contact me and tell me that I was to remember who it was that I was and what I was doing here, I was able to remember it. I’m not saying I wasn’t shocked or devastated, but that goes with the territory, right?
Alan Steinfeld
What did they look like?
Joy Gilbert
This is where it sounds really goofy, but we’re just going to go there. Forget what people think. There is a group of planets who have been working to maintain the harmony and sustain higher levels of consciousness within the universe. Not the galaxy, within the universe, and of course there are other universes. So there are beings that look different because they are genetically structured because of the gravitational systems of the planets they come from. So the beings that I’m associated with don’t live in this universe, they live outside the universe. They have overcome time-space limitation. That’s not even in their mindset. That’s something we humans are still laboring with. But they’ve totally overcome all those kinds of constructs because they’re older than we are. And the beings I’m associated with tell me, or have told me, but I only believe what I know inside my body to be true, Alan. And that’s something very clear about my relationship with them and what I see about going on in this planetary system or this planet Earth. And that is that there are people who were put here, you can use the word seeded, but I think every human being on the face of the Earth has the ability to evolve, but some people will not evolve. They do not make the choice to evolve. Presented with a combination of variables, they will inevitably choose the lesser value, and the lesser value being the material world. They will choose to get something out of life rather than to give something. And the moment they make that choice, it’s like they lose consciousness. The moment you make the choice to serve humanity, to serve the best parts of life, then that is the moment you’ve made a choice to serve creation. And you make those conscious decisions every second. And when you choose to serve humanity or live in the world to be the best you can be, there are profound consequences, just like there are profound consequences when you serve in the world not to serve humanity. Does that make sense?
Alan Steinfeld
Absolutely. This is the vow of the Bodhisattva. This is the human condition. We are here to know that we’re in it together and our consciousness is connected. So only by serving another can I actually help evolve myself. As soon as I make a separation, then I’m separating from something that’s a part of me and that creates…
Joy Gilbert
Yes, and that’s what’s so beautiful about it, and I think you and I and many people are aware that this planet is really on the brink of its own self-destruction.
Alan Steinfeld
And at the same time its own leap into consciousness evolution.
Joy Gilbert
Yes. And that is like what’s really being stressed here is the development of consciousness. People have put value on money, people have put value on things, they have treated humanity as objects, like objectifying. We have destroyed the Earth through oil, we have destroyed the Earth through gas. We have destroyed the Earth, and the Earth is a living thing, right? It’s a being, it’s not separate from us. So we’re in a situation that’s really intense and urgent, and I look around and I think, wow, most people go about their daily business without any thoughts of humanity or humankind or serving or being environmentally conscious.
Alan Steinfeld
So these beings came to you from this other universe and they said… but what did they look like first of all, and then tell me what their message was.
Joy Gilbert
There are a couple that I’m most tied to. These blue beings are so exquisite because they’re translucent. I’ve seen them in different states of materialization. I’ve seen them move through walls and windows and doors, and you see them in different states of materialization. A lot of times the blue beings are, in my experience, the ones that are like guardians or caretakers or the entities that come to serve you, to help you accomplish what it is you accomplish in the world. If your desire, your inclination, your soul, your heart is to serve humankind like you do in your show, then the possibility of these same beings being around you is fairly great and really obvious in that they are leading you and helping you help others.
Alan Steinfeld
Do they have arms and legs or are they more light entities?
Joy Gilbert
They do have a head. They do have arms and legs and they are part of the human being world, only they live on a different planet, and that planet has a different gravitational system, and they have existed much longer in the universe than humankind has. So they’re more evolved, profoundly more evolved.
Alan Steinfeld
So they’re part of the human world, meaning they are genetically related to us?
Joy Gilbert
They are like us, except for the fact that they’re awake and they understand what they’re doing, and their only interest is serving the greater good of humanity. So they come and, I want to say they talk to me, but it’s really not like that. It’s like it’s all mind to mind, and I go in them, and they go in me, and I don’t feel separate from them. But it’s not that you can feel separate from any human being on Earth or the Earth itself once you awaken, once you go into union consciousness.
Alan Steinfeld
So you’ve merged with these beings, you’re part of their consciousness.
Joy Gilbert
They’re part of my mind, which is what we think of often times when we say consciousness, but it’s cellular. Like to awaken is not just a thinking event, it is a cellular event, and it has implications on a physical level for all creation. And it is just the most profound experience and the most profound way to be in the world that someone can be fortunate enough to experience.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, talk about that, because that’s interesting. A lot of people talk about awakening as a psychological or mental awareness, and you’re saying it’s cellular, it’s embodied.
Joy Gilbert
The conscious awareness is definitely a state of consciousness. A conscious state of awareness being one with all things. That’s a beautiful thing to think, but when it’s cellular, you are that. So then everything in the universe is you. How do you get that in the cells? I think that for me, when that came and they told me that it was time to remember, they took me to a place, literally the only way I can describe it, they shoved me off a precipice of time and space, and in that moment time and space collapsed. And they are not the thing, you’re the thing, you’re the master of your own consciousness, you determine who you’re going to be. But for me it was shocking, it was exquisite, it was terrifying.
Alan Steinfeld
What actually happened? Can you describe your actual experience?
Joy Gilbert
They took me on the ship. It was the first time I realized that they came in ships. With my body, because you see, it is cellular. It is not thinking. That’s why education can be a gift or it can be devastatingly deleterious to human beings, because it can either shrink your consciousness or help you develop. So they took me on a ship. They did things to my body which were shocking. They told me that my DNA was completely activated. They all seemed pretty happy about it. I however was not feeling all warm and fuzzy about the whole situation because they had been manipulating my body and I remembered they had been doing it for years. Now I was aware of the fact that our physicality, our instruments here in this dimension, that’s what I learned from Maharishi, and if you study with all the great teachers they will tell you that your body is going to determine the capability of your body, how clean is your body, how aware are you, and of course you develop that through meditation and disciplines such as Tai Chi and yoga. But the most important thing that determines your level of consciousness and grace is what’s in your heart. Because you can be a real mess up, because I quite honestly feel like I’ve messed up a lot in my life.
Alan Steinfeld
What do you mean you messed up? Do we ever mess up or do we just learn lessons?
Joy Gilbert
You’re exactly right, but people call them mistakes and then they judge you for them, right?
Alan Steinfeld
Well I think that’s part of our evolution is not judging ourselves and learning, and really choosing to learn.
Joy Gilbert
And seeing when you make a mistake, it’s just an opportunity to see something else.
Alan Steinfeld
Exactly. I think that’s a good way to not judge ourselves and keep the process moving of our evolution.
Joy Gilbert
That exactly keeps your process moving forward, and the less time you take berating yourself, the faster you can move through time and space to get to who you really are.
Alan Steinfeld
So you’re on the ship, they’re doing stuff to your body, they’re saying your DNA is activated, and then what’s happening?
Joy Gilbert
So then they took me into another part of the ship. Now these were two beings, one was a doctor. One was a female. They were beautiful blue beings. They look very much like the aliens, the grey beings, only I have never seen these beings grey. I have been with them a lot. I don’t know…
Alan Steinfeld
But the Greys aren’t so beautiful, you know they’re sort of like really scary and ugly.
Joy Gilbert
Oh my god. Oh no, excuse me, they are so beautiful. If you see them as the light beings that they are. Oh, I have pictures of them actually.
Alan Steinfeld
Thank you, I’d like to see the pictures. But thank you because I guess what’s scary is the ontological shock, as John Mack used to say, of your reality not being what you think it is.
Joy Gilbert
Yes, and on that ship I realized that there was nothing in my life that was the way I thought it was. Even going to be with Maharishi, even going to be with the Tibetan Lamas, even getting married, having a child, going to university. I understood that when I went to university that it was part of my training, because I was in neuroscience. I never took a science class in high school, but when I got to college I was like straight A all the way through science. I just ate it up.
Alan Steinfeld
Right, but you were activated to kind of assimilate that level of information.
Joy Gilbert
Exactly, and that was before the beings came and told me it was time to remember. I was in my 20s.
Alan Steinfeld
That’s the name of your book, Time to Remember.
Joy Gilbert
It’s Time to Remember, yeah.
Alan Steinfeld
And I have that book and I really liked it. So you’re on the ship with the beautiful blue beings, and they say, and then what, when they take you to this other part with the doctor and the female?
Joy Gilbert
What happened next was they took me into another area and at that moment I realized I was up above the Three Sisters mountains in the McKenzie Pass.
Alan Steinfeld
The McKenzie Pass, yeah I love that area. Cougar Dam and hot springs are on the other side.
Joy Gilbert
Oh it’s staggeringly beautiful up there, isn’t it? It’s pretty volcanic, but yeah, it’s amazing. So it felt like an initiation. But I was still kind of reeling in the feeling of seeing these entities and having them touch me. When somebody takes their hand and puts it directly into your body, which you think is solid, and they part the molecules, and their molecules become one with your molecules and vice versa, it is profoundly shocking. And they took this implant out of me, which looked like a Christmas tree, it was two triangles piggybacked, and they said I didn’t need it anymore. And then anyway, they took me in and they said the doctor was on one side and the female on the other, and they just said it’s time to remember. And it was like I could feel myself going, you know those old Star Trek movies where you see them go into warp drive? That’s how it felt. I could just feel all life passing through me and around me, and the speed was staggering. I mean it was so fast, and then suddenly I got to this place where there was nothing there. No sound, and I knew that all time and all space was gone in that place. And I could feel my body being connected to everything in the universe. And I felt myself being like the Omega and the Alpha in that moment, and I remembered how much I loved humanity and how there was no blame anywhere on Earth. And then the doctor said you were chosen. Now I have to really qualify this in my mind. I never, when he said that, it never came into me feeling like I’m better. I can’t feel that I’m better if you’re me, right?
Alan Steinfeld
Right, I know what you mean. It’s like you were chosen, and that’s just how it is. Someone has to be chosen.
Joy Gilbert
Yeah. It’s not an ego thing, it’s just how it is. So they said your job is to activate those whose time it is to remember.
Alan Steinfeld
So how do we do that for the people listening, how can you do it for me, I mean how are you doing it?
Joy Gilbert
It’s so easy. What it is, it’s the vibration and the quality of your essence that emits out of you. It’s not anything more, it’s not anything less. Obviously there are people I work with, clinicians, and I help them to work with abductees because it is not something that a clinician who studied Freud can go and work with an abductee. You just can’t do that, that’s insulting.
Alan Steinfeld
Right, because the problem is not psychological, it’s ontological.
Joy Gilbert
Thank you. It’s the consciousness of humanity is so…
Alan Steinfeld
That’s the problem. We’ve put ourselves in a box. And I’m writing about this myself. If we knew how big we were already, we wouldn’t be cruel to each other, would we?
Joy Gilbert
No, and we’d also be open to these other beings that are here. Oh yes, they’re all around. I think one night I counted 23 beings on my land, in my house.
Alan Steinfeld
So you’re here to wake other people up. So how are you doing it? Wake us up.
Joy Gilbert
Well initially I probably told you I went out and I lectured and gave classes and did all that kind of stuff, and it was interesting. It was really hard because it destroyed my marriage and my family, but you know you have to do something and you can’t think about what you need or what you want. I spent hundreds of thousands of dollars traveling because I didn’t feel like it was, I felt it was important to tell people what they wanted me to tell them, and that’s that they’re here and they want to help us and not to be afraid of them. They’re not here to harm us. I’m always devastated when I hear people out there with all their fear-based consciousness.
Alan Steinfeld
I know, it’s ridiculous. I agree. But they’re not here to harm us, but they will shake you up.
Joy Gilbert
They want to help us. They’re not as concerned about shaking us up as they are about giving us the knowledge we need in order to overcome the darkness that we live in, the ignorance that we live in, the states of unkindness and the war and all these kinds of things. And they’ve always been here. All we have to do is look to our right and our left and up above and below and they’re right there next to us. But we are not acknowledging the gifts we have as human beings, and that’s why we’re in the situation we’re in.
Alan Steinfeld
But do the Greys, what they call the Greys, have a different agenda, a genetic agenda, or is that part of the same program as you see it?
Joy Gilbert
Sweetheart, excuse me, I hope you don’t mind me calling you that. There is just so much disinformation out there about the Greys and this group and that group, and these people are lying, and these people are lying. But honestly, if you change your consciousness and choose to be kind, then it doesn’t matter what’s coming at you that’s negative, you’re going to transform it into something good. And that was the mistake that Eisenhower made. I read a lot about how he was offered an opportunity to help this planet develop spiritually, but instead he chose technology, which is a material representation and not as profound. But what he didn’t understand, say if that whole thing is true, let’s just pretend it is for the moment, he doesn’t understand that spirituality, which is the basis of all creation, it is the thing that lies under all manifest worlds, all manifest universes. It is that substance that sustains the quarks in an atom, inside the nucleus of an atom. It floats in emptiness, and that is where the soul exists, that’s where essence is, that is where love is, that is where we all reside in. So to choose something insignificant like a technological construct over infinite mastery of infinite space and time was staggeringly stupid.
Alan Steinfeld
Well it’s another one of those experiences we had to learn, you know, the hard way. But we’re coming to a time now, people have predicted this time, are we going to have some visible help or do we have to really do it on our own through consciousness?
Joy Gilbert
What I am experiencing with them right now is that there is actually intervention that’s going on in different governments throughout the world. And they use, say for instance I’ve been here on Earth, I look human. Say for instance they take me at night to take me someplace to share knowledge with a diplomat or government people, or so these people need to be intervened upon to have their minds changed about their behavior. And a really important one is the beings are very concerned about what China has done to Tibet. Who cares who owns Tibet? Those human beings have spent thousands of years cultivating human arts that serve the well-being of the species, human species. So they are not very happy if I can speak about it that way even though it’s not quite that way about what the Chinese have done to the Tibetan people, they’re very upset about that. So there is intervention and it’s going on right now as we speak.
Alan Steinfeld
But there’s not going to be any mass sightings, some planetary…
Joy Gilbert
You know I think they realize how terrified most of 99% of humanity would be with an event like that. I’m not saying they won’t, because they don’t consult with me. But my sense at this particular time is that they work better through people that look human. So that people like that one particular situation where they had me talking to this person, it was like they were feeding me the information and then I would speak it in a way that that person could understand it. And that is something I’ve experienced. I don’t know if how many other people are being involved in that kind of experience with the beings and with people on this planet.
Alan Steinfeld
I was just wondering what the genetic, I mean I want to talk about these beings and maybe even have them talk through you if that’s possible. But I’m also interested in the genetic part where they have taken people, abductees, whatever you want to call it, and shifted DNA for what reason? Because I feel that happened to me.
Joy Gilbert
They’re not taking people who aren’t supposed to be taken.
Alan Steinfeld
Right, I understand that. And I’m happy I was taken, and I’m happy they did what they did, but what did they do? What are they doing?
Joy Gilbert
Okay, so let’s just say you have a Ford. Okay, and your Ford can only go 80 miles an hour. Let’s say it’s an old Ford Falcon, blue, nice, cute car, but it can only go 60 comfortably without shaking. Now let’s take that car in and put in an 8-cylinder engine, or put in better, put in a Mercedes engine or a Jaguar XKE engine or a Ferrari or a Maserati, I like those cars. Then that entity becomes something highly functioning. It becomes different. And that’s what they’re doing, they’re changing our DNA, they’re changing our physical bodies so that we can share information with them. So that we are open to receive information. I think one of the most shocking things I realized was that your body has to be tuned to those levels of creation. It’s not enough to be open. You have to do the work on your body, which is the meditation, the mindset, maintaining the view, learning skill sets, and divorcing yourself from behaviors that feed your delusional mind.
Alan Steinfeld
We live in that delusional mind, everything around us is the delusion we’ve been programmed for.
Joy Gilbert
Absolutely, absolutely, but honestly, if they are taking you and changing your DNA, which I feel certain of, then even if you’re a goofy person and don’t think you’re worth anything, that’s not a determining factor.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, no, there’s something bigger happening here, absolutely.
Joy Gilbert
And if your heart is there, there is no stopping it from coming to you. I mean there’s no way to stop your evolution. There’s no way to make it happen and there’s no way to stop it from happening. But the most important thing is what is in your mind and what is in your heart. What do you value most? Can you give up that Mercedes and buy a bunch of Hindu children working in the garbage dumps of Calcutta, can you give that money to them and buy yourself a Kia? Do you have that kind of heart? And that’s a big gesture, so I’m not suggesting…
Alan Steinfeld
No, so I’m doing my thing, thanks, but I’m just looking at the, yeah I mean I do what I can, I mean I try to, of course, but my focus is on the connection, and that’s what excites me, and people like you who are…
Joy Gilbert
When you said that just a moment ago, you said maybe there’s more I can do. That is what a person says who has a profoundly pure intent. Because there’s an awareness that we can always do more, and anybody who thinks like that has an exquisite soul. Anybody. Those are the people I value most in my life, those are the students or the clinicians that come to me and say Joy, you know, help me. Because really I’m very good at destroying people’s perceptions of reality. I’m very good at it. But I don’t really like being out there anymore. It’s just too intense for me. So working with somebody takes a requirement from them to want to be the best they can be more than they want to find a new boyfriend, new girlfriend, get laid, whatever, you understand what I’m saying.
Alan Steinfeld
Totally understand, and thank you for saying that to me, it brought tears to my eyes in the sense that…
Joy Gilbert
Oh, it’s true, it’s true. I have one particular student who never feels she’s good enough. And that was how I was before they came. I never felt so I was always trying to be better, I was always looking for ways to be better. Even though I failed miserably, I’m certain that they only cared about the fact that I wanted to be a good human being. And I never, I never talked about being enlightened, I didn’t care about enlightenment, I didn’t care about that stuff, I just wanted to be a good human being, I wanted to be of value. I was a director of a child abuse agency and worked as an expert witness for the District Attorney’s office and Attorney General’s office, and I put my life on the line a lot. But to destroy the way people think, because the way that you think, not just you, but the way human beings think, is the very thing that keeps them from being awake. So you’re creating these shows to help people open up or give people a venue to talk about things that aren’t necessarily in the culture. Say for instance today, Anderson Cooper, whom I’ve always perceived as a very credible investigative reporter, had UFO stuff on, and I was devastated to hear him have people on who said that these these experiences were only happening in the United States and that people were really crazy and it was all spiritual mumbo-jumbo. Those people are living in a very limited reality. That’s all they see. If you look out of a small crack in the wall at the world, you’re going to just see a part of the sky. If you look at a bigger picture, you’re going to see more. But most people believe their view of the universe, of reality, is the only right one, and that’s what we need to learn.
Alan Steinfeld
That’s damaging, isn’t it? It’s profoundly damaging, and even when I, no it’s a form of fundamentalism, so what people…
Joy Gilbert
Yes, and that that is one of the things I really have issues with with some of the people who get into this phenomenon, have experiences, and then they create another fundamentalist religion out of it, which is something I’m not really into. I think it’s very pragmatic.
Alan Steinfeld
But give us a perspective. I know, but give us a perspective, because this is what I’m really trying to understand the thing that I’m writing about about the multidimensional awareness that we are, and sort of allow the trust, I don’t know what I want to call the imagination, I want to call it something beyond that that’s here, you know what I’m saying. How do you give us a sense, and people listening…
Joy Gilbert
How do you get there? How do you get to a point where… Well, I’m going to tell you, part of it is physical. And that goes back to you talking about what are they doing to our DNA. Our DNA has to be altered so that we can take in more energy into our bodies so that we can tap into other layers of creation. That is like primal. You know if you’re driving around with a Ford Falcon, you’re not going to have the same experience of life if you’re driving around with a XKE or a Maserati or a Ferrari. We want to have a body that can experience all those layers of consciousness, and the only way to do that is to change the way we look at the world, the way we take in food, and how we do that is through meditation, through yoga, through putting ourselves… one of the most important things is to make sure that you’re hanging out with people who have advanced levels of consciousness. Because you hang out with somebody who doesn’t have any level of consciousness, and you’re going to be in the same space as him. So there’s teachers out there, I saw it out there all the time, who put down the alien abduction thing or put down aliens, put down all those things, but they profess to be enlightened beings. There is no way that a person can be enlightened and not know about these beings who live in other universes and live in other layers of creation. Absolutely no way.
Alan Steinfeld
Of course I had a little argument with Ken Wilber who wrote the Theory of Everything. I mean I asked him directly what he thought of other beings and he said to me well you sort of look like one, and that he didn’t, you know he didn’t have anything more to say, but his whole model is based on one of evolution, that we come together as families, tribes, states, countries, as a planet, and the only next logical step is to come together as planets, as groups of planets, collective consciousness in a larger way. And Wilber, you know he’s a great guy doing his thing, but he’s totally unconscious to the fact that other consciousnesses…
Joy Gilbert
Yes. I find this a lot in highly educated people who have focused so intently on one thing that they’re not open to the vastness of the universe. And you know you have to be willing to put yourself in situations where you’re going to get hurt or killed or you have to be willing to stand up and speak out. You know, and you have to be willing to risk everything. Like the guy who did Thrive, did you see the movie Thrive? See it, because that guy stood up, risked everything, he talks about UFOs and ETs and free energy technology, and has now recently been denounced by a lot of the New Age conscious teachers saying that it was too demanding. It’s like people are only willing to go so far, even if they’re in the consciousness field.
Alan Steinfeld
That’s right, that’s right. And what I found is that if somebody is having these experiences, that doesn’t mean they’re integrated. That doesn’t mean that they’re in all facets of their consciousness, their physicality, their awareness. Did you study Gurdjieff?
Joy Gilbert
A little bit. It was a little boring for me, so heady that I don’t like that stuff. But one of the things I did like about it is he talked about shocks. And how if you’re not developing shocks yourself for yourself, then creation, in order to help you evolve, will develop shocks. And when you get these hits or shocks, it changes your consciousness.
Alan Steinfeld
I agree. That’s why I call my program New Realities for that very reason, because reality is not what we thought it was.
Joy Gilbert
No, there’s nothing about this world the way it looks that’s true. When you look out the window or look at people, there is, I mean it’s beautiful, but you know I know I’m just a hologram. I mean they told me that I was a hologram being projected into that living reality where I lived, where I’ve always lived. And that as I’m just in school and I’m less than 20 years old, I’m a teenager and I’m taking a class, and we live to be 800 to a thousand Earth years old.
Alan Steinfeld
And do you feel that consciousness now? Can you drop back into it?
Joy Gilbert
Oh yes, yes, yes, yes. I feel like okay, I look at myself and in this world I’m a 63 year old woman, but in the world inside myself, in the world I live in, I’m very young. And I, I’m with my people all the time. My blue people and the golden beings. So they’re they’re always with me.
Alan Steinfeld
You know, but what you said about shocks is also what Heraclitus said, expect the unexpected, because it’s difficult and hard to find. Everyone wants to live in their safe, secure, predictable world, and the world isn’t that way.
Joy Gilbert
No, there’s no such place. And if it was like that, there’d be no evolution. Right, and the other well the other end of that if it’s not safe secure and predictable, then it’s full of wonder and magic and mystery, isn’t it? Oh yes, yes. I mean even I sometimes I know things are going to happen, but how they happen is always exquisite to watch.
Alan Steinfeld
Right, right, like when you contacted me, I mean here I wanted to do interviews, I know, I mean I felt the resistance because here’s another, but that yeah, I know.
Joy Gilbert
Well you know that people like me get our life threatened, and you know, and I put my life on the line a lot, and you know it’s just part of it. There’s a lot of people out there that this topic absolutely terrifies them, and that’s what’s awesome about it in a way too.
Alan Steinfeld
What’s so great about you is though, you’ve lived this truth, you have no doubt, you’re out there, and you are living the multidimensional life, and you’re also very human, you know, you laugh, you cry, scream.
Joy Gilbert
Yes, I’m very human. Well you know, when I was talking about doing an interview or when we were talking about it, they whispered in my ear, you know, yes, you know, and it was it was so sweet, they’re so sweet, please, excuse me, but they’re just like we are so dense and vile and there is none of that in these beings. They don’t they don’t even think unkind thoughts. And when I think unkind thoughts, and I have thought unkind thoughts, they blow me off like they didn’t even happen. They don’t matter. Okay you had that thought, now let’s get back to what’s important here, or what we need to do. Totally one-pointed, totally focused, we have to do whatever we can do to protect the Earth from its own destruction, and that is the message I get from them every second that I live in this world.
Alan Steinfeld
Is that what you’re getting, I was gonna ask you what you might be getting now, is they whispering in your ear now?
Joy Gilbert
Oh yeah, it’s the love, they want to share because that’s where the essence is, you know. It’s not that, you know, Buddhism is better than, you know, Muslim or Muhammad or, you know, the Pope or Catholicism better. All religions have the basic tenet of love within them, and then humanity destroys the soul of the religion by making it about them and not about something else, or someone else, like oh I’m a woman so I’m better than you. I don’t, that’s not even, that can’t even, you are me, so how can I look at you and say I’m better than you?
Alan Steinfeld
Well of course I always say Jesus was not a Christian and Buddha wasn’t a Buddhist, you know.
Joy Gilbert
No, and you know Buddha talked about this in his scriptures, he talked about this planet. He said be a lantern unto yourself, he says make refuge within yourself. You want goodness in the world you make it inside yourself, you change your own mind to be a vessel of infinite grace and love, you don’t make other people. So that is, and he talked about Buddha, his scriptures about this dimension, this planet and other dimensions, and how this isn’t the most evolved planet out there. Definitely.
Alan Steinfeld
Right, I mean no I agree, but it seems like more and more people are talking about this level of multidimensionality, this this kind of weaving or this bleeding through of levels.
Joy Gilbert
That’s beautiful, I like that, the way you said that, the bleeding through. Yes, it’s exactly like that. That’s how I experience it too. Like it, you know, like say for instance and the beings are talking to me, I’m not unaware of Joni sitting here and you’re on the phone and you’re talking to people and you know, an audience of people who listen to you, and and there’s your producer there, and and there’s you know it’s just that that’s what’s multidimensional as experiencing different levels of creation.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh right I see. Oh, let me just absorb that. Let me just get take that in. So you’re saying I’m talking to you and my awareness is there, but my awareness is also part of the producer’s listening, the people listening, and so my awareness is sort of multi-faceted even though in this kind of mediacy it’s totally focused on you, and what we’re saying.
Joy Gilbert
Right, but that doesn’t exclude all the other areas of creation that you’re involved in in this moment. I’ve met people on the ships that have no idea they’re abductees. I have met people that I’ve met on the, you know, like I went to Portugal and you know, part of what I did was connect with some beings, some human beings who were needed me to touch them or tell them hi or just connect with them so they could remember as they grew up who I was.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah yeah, but no I I mean I appreciate that, but I’m just trying to really absorb this point that you said that really opened a little door for me, and it was always so obvious, but you pointed it out. So my awareness is multi-faceted, because I’m aware of all these different aspects of myself in a way, and my relationships with all them, and I’m living that in this moment, like my relationships with my mother, my brothers and you know these and they’re all part of me in this moment, kind of creating me as a multidimensional consciousness because my consciousness is in all those places. Yes, in all those relations, I guess that’s why the Native Americans would say all my relations, right?
Joy Gilbert
Yeah, yeah, and like all the people who have come before who are part of your gene pool…
Alan Steinfeld
All the people who will come in the future. Oh no I forgot you just said we have to wrap it up.
Joy Gilbert
Okay.
Alan Steinfeld
But no I just wanted to just um just finish that point because I think um it’s it’s I think it’s really key. And and we will do more of these conversations, but just wrap it up and tell us again what you um what you want to leave people with as far as all this, and I appreciate you know all the work you do on the ships and helping people awaken and all that. So leave us with a thought here.
Joy Gilbert
That they’re more than they think they are, and in order to become more, they have to they have to give up what they think is true about the world. That’s the most important thing. You cannot see if you’re projecting your mindset on the world around you. You cannot see the world if you’re looking at it with the mindset of somebody who told you what to see. You know, you have to be able to feel the world with your whole body, with every part of your being, with all the molecules and atoms within you to see the world that way. It’s really profound. Instead of projecting your idea of what you think the world is, let what you think go and allow yourself to take in everything around you and see it from another place.
Alan Steinfeld
Beautiful, beautiful. Thank you. And I am going to do that, and we will have more conversations. Thank you. I’ve been talking to Joy Gilbert. Have a good night. And your website aliencontacttherapy.com, but it’s more than alien contact therapy, it’s everything, isn’t it?
Joy Gilbert
It is everything. It is everything. You’re right. Okay sweetheart. Thanks Joy, have a nice night. Okay I’ll let you know when this is posted. Okay, bye bye.
Alan Steinfeld
I’ve been talking to Joy Gilbert from the website aliencontacttherapy, who is really I think on the cutting edge of this multidimensional awareness that seems to be happening to many people in many different forms. I’ll be having more guests talking about that, Richard Bartlett doing matrix energetics, he’s another person who’s bringing that level of consciousness into new realities. So thanks for listening tonight, this is Alan Steinfeld, and if you have any questions email me at newrealities@earthlink.net, and check my website newrealities.com. Thank you.