Recorded on April 1, 2007
Summary
Alan Steinfeld hosts a New Realities Radio Show with guests David Demaray and Finbarr Ross. David discusses the development and history of biogenesis healing tools, which are glass-made tools containing genesis energy that restore harmony to the body. Finbarr talks about his divine feminine conferences and his experiences with Mary Magdalene, the shroud of Turin, and Sophia, the Holy Spirit.
Transcript
Alan Steinfeld
Welcome to New Realities. This is New Realities Radio, the leading-edge program on new consciousness and emerging spirituality. My name’s Alan Steinfeld, and each week I like to interview guests who are bringing us new technologies, new ideas, and really expanding the mind. New Realities is dedicated to exploring evolving human potentials in an evolving world. And the series started out as a television show, and you can still see it on television every Monday nights at 9:00 p.m. on channel 57 in Manhattan and at mn.org on the internet. You can also check my website for a list of past guests that have been on the television show, and we’ll be adding the radio guests soon. But that website is newrealities.newrealities.tv. And if you have any questions or suggestions or comments, you can always call me or email me rather at newrealities@earthlink.net. So part of what this program is about is bringing a forum for key events that are happening, especially in New York City, but also around the world. This weekend was just a expo called the New Life Expo in New York, where I spoke about the nature of symbology and understanding realities on all levels of consciousness. You can email me if you want to take up that talk, but there were also a lot of other interesting people there. Also coming up in New York, April 13th to the 15th, the Omega Institute is sponsoring a conference called Being Fearless. And that will have keynote speakers Al Gore and Jane Goodall. Jane Goodall, if you know, is one of the pioneering people in saving the chimpanzees and her research into chimpanzee communication, but now she’s a real staunch environmentalist and she goes around the world talking about how we need to protect our animal friends. Also coming up this Friday in New York is a lecture called Beyond Tantra, Sensuality and Spirituality and the Big O. That will be by Nicole Daedone, and that will be at the Center Point Yoga Studios. That’s Friday, April 6th. Center Point Yoga Studios 8 p.m. And if you’re in New York, come on down. It’s 324 Lafayette Street, and suggested price is $25. Following up on the tantric theme, there’s one of the real originators of tantra, and if you don’t know what tantra is, just look it up on the internet, but it’s basically the art of conscious loving, whatever that means to you. Anyway, Charles Muir, who is one of the originators of Western Tantra in the Western Tantric tradition, and hopefully he’ll be one of the guests on my program, is doing a course in New York, May 4th to the 6th, called Tantra: The Art of Conscious Loving. And I’ll be having other guests talk about Tantra in the upcoming weeks. Also coming up this month is this a very exciting month will be a throwback to the old spiritualist movements in the 1860s, something called physical mediumship. And Hoyt Robinette will be doing precipitated art. This is where pictures, painting-like photographs, appear on cards that have been done by spirit. They’re being, there’s blank cards they put into a basket and during the course of the seance, they have precipitated art. Art appears on these cards. And if you are interested in that and coming to that, you can have to make a reservation because it’s very limited seating. But the reservation for that is 201-342-2279 I have. If there’s any other questions, just email me. Oh, one more thing that’s coming up is a trip that I am organizing to Damanhur, Italy. And Damanhur, Italy is one of it is the largest eco-village. It’s the largest spiritual community. It’s been it was founded about 20 years ago by a person named Falco who had a dream to build temples in the earth and they hollowed out a whole mountain and created these beautiful underground structures. So there’s a trip leaving the end of April, and you can still get on that if it sounds exciting to you or if you would like to explore a different ways people are living. And you can email me at newrealities@earthlink.net about that. You can also look up Damanhur on the Internet, D-A-M-A-N-H-U-R. And that’s in Italy, and it should be a very exciting adventure for everyone coming along. I’m going to be having a guest tonight. The first guest will be David Demaray, who originated these healing tools, along with his sister, who had a vision of a master coming to him, coming to her, the master directed her how to use specific tool developed these tools and promote accelerated healing in the body. So David is a representative of these tools. I hope to be talking about the applications of these healing tools, where to find them, and actually its development and history, because it is a manifestation of a higher level of consciousness. The second guest tonight will come on around an half hour after that, around 10 o’clock New York time, 7 o’clock West Coast time. And that will be Finbarr Ross. And Finbarr is creating a divine feminine conference here in New York, but he also travels around the world and doing these conferences, and many of the women that are involved in emerging spirituality and the ancient ways of the goddess are on that tour, and they’ll be giving a workshop. Our whole day intensive here in New York. And that’ll be at the Meta Center. The number of the Meta Center is 212-736-0999. So that’s some of what’s happening. In the next coming weeks, I’ll be talking about a panel with J.J. Hurtak and Alex Grey. And Lynne McTaggart, who wrote The Intention Experiment, is also coming back to New York. A bunch of my interviews are up on YouTube, and you can check out new realities on YouTube, and you can see a list of all the exciting, kind of recent interviews. One called Global Friends, that is getting a lot of comments, and that’s combining consciousness and the environment, and seeing on a spiritual level what is really happening with the earth changes. And J.J. Hurtak, Desiree Hurtak are both on that, along with a Greenland shaman named Angaangaq, and a journalist named Nita Renfrew. So let’s see if the first guest is on the line. Dawn, do we have our first guest or in a minute? I usually have. Okay, one more minute for the first guest. And just come on, Dawn, let me know when we have them there. And if you’re having problems getting through, just let me know. Okay? So let me just give you a few more instances.
Don
He is there.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, we’re there. Don?
David Demaray
No, this is David.
Alan Steinfeld
David, good. Good to hear from you.
David Demaray
Certainly.
Alan Steinfeld
I just did a little introduction to what you’ll be talking about with the Biogenesis tools, but can you give an overview, and I think the most interesting thing is the development, how these healing tools actually came into existence. So, thank you for being on the show.
David Demaray
Certainly. You want me when do you want me to go ahead?
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, well go ahead. You’re on. So you can just say I mean, to describe them, they’re mostly these glass-made crystal shapes, but I think the way they came about and then the details about them. So yeah, go ahead and just tell us what these are and how they came to be.
David Demaray
Certainly. Well, BioGenesis basically is just a simple technology to make life better. We use these glass tools that contain an energy called genesis energy, and they then radiate that energy to your body or to your environment, whether it’s your home or your office, to restore harmony. And they do it on every level, and they’re very easy to use, and they’re very effective, whether it’s restoring harmony to your body, such as to physical traumas or to various diseases, ranging from diabetes to arthritis, whether it’s with your emotions, such as someone who’s lonely or someone suffering from depression or bipolar disorder, somebody who’s had an emotional trauma. So they have a broad, broad range.
Alan Steinfeld
But David, let me just ask you, this Genesis energy, is that something you’ve named you created or is it a new energy?
David Demaray
It’s a very, very old energy, but this technology has not been on Earth since the days of Atlantis. We were introduced to this technology back in 1999 by an ascended master named Lantos. Now my sister, Cindy, speaks with Lantos. All her life she’s had the ability to see angels and other types of celestial beings, but one day, this being named Lantos appeared to her.
Alan Steinfeld
Do other people see that besides her when this Lantos appeared to her? Was he actually visible?
David Demaray
Well, I’ll tell you, I’ve been there when she’s spoken to him and I don’t see him. But then again, I’m also a lawyer. So, maybe that actually travelling all over selling these tools, maybe he needs to get a lawyer. But no.
Alan Steinfeld
But is this energy changing when the Lantos appears? You feel something?
David Demaray
Yes, absolutely. You can definitely feel the presence in the room. And when Cindy sees him, you know, a lot of people use the term channeling, but for Cindy that’s not actually accurate, mainly because she’s never had the ability to channel. Rather, she physically sees him. She physically hears his voice. It’s you know Alan it’s just like if you’ve got a dog sitting next to you, and somehow half a mile away blows a dog whistle. You don’t hear it but the dog does. It’s just on a frequency that the dog is attuned.
Alan Steinfeld
So her sensitivity is more attuned to those levels of vibration.
David Demaray
Exactly, exactly. So for her, it is no different from if you call up a friend and invite your friend to come over for a cup of coffee and a conversation, just that in this case your friend doesn’t have to use the front door. They simply show up. And that’s exactly what Lantos does.
Alan Steinfeld
But she she was always open to this, huh?
David Demaray
Right. She’s always been open to this. And Does she see other masters besides this? I know we’re getting off the topic a little bit. I think it’s really interesting. Does she see other beings? She has seen several others, but Lantos is the one who has specifically given her the information about biogenesis.
Alan Steinfeld
I see. So and this is old energy from Atlantis. Old healing energy.
David Demaray
Actually, he said this is millions and millions of years old. But it was last used on Earth in the days of Atlantis.
Alan Steinfeld
Uh-huh. And now it’s being re-introduced. It was there for tens of thousands of years, and then it was reintroduced back in 1999.
David Demaray
This this new this energy that’s coming. And and and what makes this particular energy different from let’s say Reiki or other piezoelectric effects in crystals. You know they put off a kind of electrical charge. Right, right. This energy is very simple. It’s fundamental. It contains merely a memory. The memory of the process of creation. And that’s not any historical point in time. But rather the actual process by which energy surrounds itself with form creating matter, creating an atom. The memory of that process is what is contained within the Genesis Energy. And when that energy comes into contact with anything, it restores that memory. But that actually enlivens the very process of creation and that…
Alan Steinfeld
Would you say it’s the original blueprint then for the organism itself?
David Demaray
Absolutely. And Lantos actually told Cindy one time, he said, it is very important to realize that harmony is structured quite simply, quite effectively by strengthening the inherent qualities of a region. And this is accomplished by enlivening the sequence of initial rotations. This is Biogenesis.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. Say that last part again in live inning. What did what was it? It involves this sequence of initial rotation. What does that mean? In fact, in the days of Atlantis, biogenesis, the technology was not called biogenesis, it was called initial rotations or primary rotations. synonymous.
David Demaray
What does that mean, the rotation though? Initial rotations is the process of creation. And Lantos hasn’t gone into much more detail on that, but he did say that there is this set of initial rotations that gives rise to all of creation. And the memory of that progress…
Alan Steinfeld
Is she gonna be writing a book about this about her experiences?
David Demaray
You know, sooner or later, we’ll definitely do that.
Alan Steinfeld
And would she like to be a guest on the radio show, too?
David Demaray
Someday she would love to be able to talk to be able to talk with you.
Alan Steinfeld
Because she’s not public at this point, right?
David Demaray
That’s right. That’s right. I tend to deal with the people, and Cindy she stays at home, out in Hawaii, and she gets to talk to Lantos, and then she gets to tell me what he said, and I get to tell everybody else that.
Alan Steinfeld
And then there’s quite a process in the development of these actual tools, because they’re unique shapes and they’re clear glass, right?
David Demaray
Well, some of them are clear and some of them are colored, and they’re all made by hand.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, each tool is made by hand?
David Demaray
Yes, they’re all made by hand. Each one is made by hand of very high-quality glass. Lantos explained that we have the Genesis energy in something called a Genesis device. It’s a, it’s a device that we place an item into it and then a period of a while later, it comes back out and it will hold the Genesis energy in it. So this device is able to instill the Genesis energy into anything else we put into it. That could be your watch.
Alan Steinfeld
Even people then.
David Demaray
It’s not large enough to put a person in. But if Oh, I see. That would be great if it was. It certainly would. Oh, so it’s like a, it’s like a pottery put in the fire and then it takes on the essence of that solidity, right? Right. It However, Lantos explained that pure glass has the ability when it has taken on the Genesis energy to turn around and be able to radiate it to its environment. So the glass is able to serve as a conduit for the Genesis energy to take it from the Genesis device and then radiate it to its environment. So that’s why we use glass tools.
Alan Steinfeld
Uh-huh. Because glass holds that Genesis frequency the best?
David Demaray
It is. Well, everything is able to hold it. We could use a very you know, a very stable, sturdy form of plastic and put it in there, and then it would come back out, and it would hold the genesis energy just as well as the glass does, but it wouldn’t be able to radiate it. And radiating the genesis energy is what makes the tool useful because you want to.
Alan Steinfeld
So the way that we radiate it, glass then is the only substance you’re saying that will radiate the energy.
David Demaray
Well, Lantos actually did say that certain types of precious metals would be able to. But he didn’t say exactly what those types of metals were. And we just decided that we prefer to go with glass as opposed to using, for example, solid gold for tools.
Alan Steinfeld
So, but that there are such unusual shapes. I mean, you take this glass and Lantos gives you the proportions for these certain instruments?
David Demaray
He’s given us the exact shapes for everything, and he explained that while each of the tools holds the Genesis energy, the shape of that piece of glass will determine how the Genesis energy is going to be radiated to its environment. And that determines what.
Alan Steinfeld
Well explain that a little bit. Talk about some of the different shapes and how it does radiate to the environment.
David Demaray
Well, for example, we have an eight-sided pyramid that is designed to radiate the genesis energy very gently throughout the environment to help restore harmony to the environment, such as to your office or to your home. It will establish a stable foundation of harmony and it will remove the negativity from the environment, which improves the environment, it improves the relationships, it improves the people within the environment, the animals within the environment. But then we can take another tool called the Flame of Genesis that looks more like an icicle where it has a.
Alan Steinfeld
Yes, actually, I have one. I’ve been using that a lot. Right. And actually this one.
David Demaray
And and it’s been chipped, and you’re saying even though it’s been chipped, right. Exactly. It’s It still it it doesn’t lose the energy. But the shape has changed a little bit, though. But you wouldn’t have to worry about it affecting the tool unless you unless the chip was so severe that it altered the fundamental design of the tool. No. Not really. So if you broke it in half, then you’d have to worry about that.
Alan Steinfeld
So the flame then is used for more direct healing, right?
David Demaray
Because in because of its design, it no longer gently radiates the Genesis energy. Instead, it focuses and directs that energy, and that allows it to be very effective at restoring harmony to several areas within the physical body, ranging from physical traumas, whether it’s recent, such as you just got a cut or you just broke a finger or stubbed a toe or anything like that.
Alan Steinfeld
What will that do? Let’s say you did get a cut or broke a finger, and then you wave.
David Demaray
What would that do if I…by waving this flame over the finger. It won’t heal the break though. Will it? You know, it restores harmony. And in different instances, that’s going to mean different things. What we can tell you is that of our experiences with broken bones, most of them are anecdotal, as far as people can feel a very severe pain and the type of trauma was one that would normally result in a break and then one day or two days later, there was no more pain, there was no more swelling, there was no more bruising. They had full functionality. We’ve had physicians who have told us again, anecdotally, they haven’t X-rayed it, but when they break a toe, one physician’s wife was a nurse and her horse had stepped on her foot and broke her big toe. She used the flame for about an hour and then the next morning she was fine, no pain, and normally a broken toe is quite painful. There was no sign of physical trauma. Her husband had thought it had been broken. The next morning he said it’s perfectly fine. But then we have had a couple of instances where people did go in and get x-rays and they were able to see the break, they were able to see the fracture or multiple fractures. Then they used the flame and then the next day the person seemed to not be in any pain, there was no swelling, there was no difficulty. They went back in, got more x-rays and the fractures were completely gone.
Alan Steinfeld
Really? So that’s documented then, by doctors.
David Demaray
Right, right. So we certainly have instances, you know and again, they weren’t in controlled settings where we could stay well…
Alan Steinfeld
Well but if you go in and have an x-ray, and then you take another x-ray, that’s pretty controlled.
David Demaray
Yeah. Over the over the course of 24 hours when a fraction disappears completely, and the only thing that you did was use the flame, then it’s fairly safe to assume it. even though it’s not a fully controlled experiment.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I’d love to see that. Now, do you have a website where maybe some of this stuff can be documented or found. You have a website though, right? Yes, we do have a website. And I’d just give that because we have another eight or so minutes, but just to tell people how to find you and your products, and they can get a catalog. Certainly, certainly. The our website for people is www.biogenesis.us So that’s b-i-o-g-e-n-e-s-i-s dot u-s. And they can go on to our website. They can look at the different tools to see what they’re relevant for, and most importantly, they can look to see when we’re doing seminars in their areas, because we give free two-day seminars each weekend around the country and also in Europe. And those are the most beneficial ways for people to learn about bio-genesis because it’s free, there’s no obligation to do anything, but they get to learn about the tools, they get to experience them, they get the opportunity to actually give sessions and receive sessions and to hear other people’s experiences. So those are very beneficial for people.
Alan Steinfeld
How many different tools are there?
David Demaray
Well, we actually have about a dozen different tools, and then we have things called the Wheels of Genesis, and they look like well, like the Lifesaver candies, just larger, about an inch and a half in diameter instead of a quarter of an inch in diameter. And those, we have 27 wheels of Genesis, and each one does something different. Like, what would those do? And also talk about the new products or new technologies that have also come out. The Wheels of Hope. Well, the Wheels of Genesis are able to do a number of different things, but they’re especially beneficial when you’re dealing with emotional issues, such as depression or manic depression or loneliness or emotional traumas. But that will take away your depression, would it? Well, I’ll tell you, this is one area where we get the most experience of people in cooperation with their doctors, because we have a lot of people who are on anti-depressants. And they ask us, what should we do? And we say, well, you should wear this wheel, have it with you all day, every day. It’s very simple to do. You just put it in your pocket. Yeah. And as you start to feel better, which they invariably do, then we tell them, you should speak with your doctor, tell them you’re starting to feel better, tell them you’d like to work with him to try to reduce the dosages and follow your doctor’s advice. And they always tell us the same thing. Six, eight weeks later, they’re entirely off their medication. They’re entirely off anti-depressant. Their doctors are, in almost all cases, utterly surprised by it.
Alan Steinfeld
Well… Because well, some of these people have been on antidepressants for 20, 30 years.
David Demaray
Well, don’t they tell the doctor, hey, look, check this out. I know. They do, but whether the doctor believes that was responsible for it or not is something else. But they typically don’t. You don’t know what? Well, they they sometimes they think that, well, it was just a coincidence. After 20 years, and suddenly you do something… Well, you know, of course they can’t believe it, because it it really doesn’t make sense. It’s very, very difficult. It’s very difficult to understand how something so simple could be so effective, especially in an area that can be so fundamental to one’s life. And yet, that’s the nature of this energy, and you know it very well, Alan, that many of the most important and effective things in life happen to be fundamentally simple. That’s true. It’s simple, but it’s also not it hasn’t been documented scientifically. So it’s hard for people who are so controlled by the scientific model to accept something outside that paradigm.
Alan Steinfeld
That’s right. That’s right.
David Demaray
Is there a way to measure the energy?
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I don’t know of any way to measure the energy. What I certainly know is a way to measure the effect of it. So we have things that will affect blood pressure and you can certainly measure that and we see that over and over. We have one of the wheels that is useful for diabetes and again we see people over and over telling us that they, for in some cases 30 years have never measured their blood sugar count below a certain level, such as 225, and then they use this wheel and the next day…
David Demaray
What’s that wheel called?
Alan Steinfeld
It’s called the dark blue progress wheel of Genesis. And that one is beneficial for a number of things including restoring harmony to diabetes. And we see people again and again seeing a much greater effect when they use that wheel than even when they’re on medication. So… Is are these more and more tools emerging? Lantos is appearing to your sister and saying, give them this one.
David Demaray
He continues to appear to Cindy. He continues to speak with Cindy and at the very beginning he gave us many, many different tools that he referred to as the body, the vital limbs and organs of the body of Genesis. However, over the time, he has added a couple of tools as it became necessary. And just last year, he added a new tool because this is a very, very special period of time.
David Demaray
Yeah. Tell us about this period of time.
Alan Steinfeld
He said that there are many, many great beings of light that are giving great gifts to the earth, and one of those gifts is the Wheel of Hope. He said that the Wheel of Hope, which is our newest tool, is a wheel that is designed not just to restore hope, because it restores hope indirectly, what it’s designed to do is enliven the mechanics responsible for the fulfillment of desires. And he said that hope is a natural byproduct of the state of being in fulfillment. It is a natural byproduct of the fulfillment of one’s desires. And so that’s what the newest tool is designed to do. It is designed simply to enliven the process of the fulfillment of desires.
David Demaray
Well, David, it sounds great, and I think as we start to evolve to greater and greater frequencies, it seems like more tools will become available at this level of frequency, right?
Alan Steinfeld
Well, it could very well be. But I’ll tell ya, we see a lot of exciting things. Well, you should be a guest again. I have another guest coming up, but we will be in touch, and just give your website and also a telephone number if you want. Certainly, certainly. Again, our website for people is www.biogenesis.us And a toll-free number for people, if they’d like to call in to get information or find out if we’re doing a seminar in their area, is 1-888-722-2213. So that’s triple eight, seven two two, two two one three. And for your listeners in New York City, we’ll be doing a class in just two weeks, here in New York City.
David Demaray
This podcast goes out everywhere around the world over the internet, right. EBS Radio is just worldwide. So everyone will be hearing about this now. Outstanding. So David, thank you and we’ll be in touch. You have my number right. Yes, I do. Thank you so much. Great. Thank you for the inter I’d love to talk to Cindy and Lantos at some point.
Alan Steinfeld
Certainly. Take care.
David Demaray
Okay. Thank you, David. Yeah, thank you. See you. See you soon. That was David Demaray for Genesis. We have another guest coming up. Is the other guest there? I’ll just play some music.
Alan Steinfeld
You there?
Don
Yes, we have your guest now.
Alan Steinfeld
We have our guest. Our next guest is Finbarr Ross. Finbarr! Hi Alan! Hi. Thanks for being a guest on New Realities and it was good meeting you finally after hearing about you. Lovely meeting you too. Yes. Thanks. And tell us a little bit about the Divine Feminine conferences that you’re doing around the world, and what is it? I mean, I know what the Divine Feminine… I think I do. So, tell us what that is and why are you doing these conferences?
Finbarr Ross
Well, in 1990 I started having experiences with Mother Mary. And about 10 years ago…
Alan Steinfeld
She, you saw her?
Finbarr Ross
I saw her, and she would talk to me. And sometimes I’d be driving along in the car, and suddenly she’d be in the back seat talking to me. And three years ago, I was going to Gallup, New Mexico, to see a friend of mine who was in the intensive care. And I was driving through Winslow, Arizona, at about 8 o’clock in the morning, and suddenly the voice in the back of the car says to me, isn’t it about time you did a conference on the Divine Feminine? And I said, okay, when I get back from this trip, I’ll do something about it. So a couple about a week later I get back, and I call my friend Margaret Starbird who I had lunch with about a week before that in Seattle, and I said to her, Margaret, I’ve been asked to do a conference on Divine Feminine. Would you like to be a speaker?
Finbarr Ross
Now Margaret Starbird is, she’s the writer of… She’s the writer of the woman with the Alabaster Jar, Mary Magdalene and the Gospels, Mary Magdalene Bride and Exile, and a couple of other books.
Alan Steinfeld
So that so is this sort of like, these conferences then a tribute to the aspect of Mary as a divine feminine or other aspects of the divine feminine?
Finbarr Ross
All aspects of the divine feminine because if you look at Mother Mary, if you look at Mary Magdalene, if you look at Kwan Yin, if you look at Tara, Isis, all of those Sophia, you know, would be to me Sofia would be the Great Mother, would be the feminine aspect of God which would be the Holy Spirit.
Alan Steinfeld
But let me just ask you a question about all these different manifest, are they all different manifestations of the same energy, or are they different different energies, different beings, like different people? Right.
Finbarr Ross
They’re all aspects of of the divine feminine. what they are is they’re appearing in different, guises if you would like to put it that way. And because they will come like I believe that, when we incarnate and we decide to come in, we bring certain streams of energy with us. Well, we have agreed to do certain work before we come in. And so we would have a stream of energy that would connect us say you get a lot of people to say I’m the reincarnation of Mary Magdalene or I’m the reincarnation of Kwan Yen or you know they have all these different, you know, Joseph of Arimathea. All of these different things. So I believe, my belief is that we carry a stream of energy. And it’s like a cord that connects us back to either Mother Mary or to the divine feminine. Because
Alan Steinfeld
Well, even Mother Mary or Mary the Mother of Jesus, she must have been connected to an older stream that she tapped into as she achieved a higher level of spirituality, right?
Finbarr Ross
That’s correct.
Alan Steinfeld
She didn’t create her own stream, she tapped into an already existing stream.
Finbarr Ross
Yes, I the way that I would look at it is that Mother Mary was the earthly manifestation of Sophia. And then you would have Mary Magdalene, who came in to do a job with Jesus, where you would have Jesus bringing in the Christ consciousness. So he brought in the energy, Mary Magdalene was the feminine aspect of it, and I would look at her as the soul of that consciousness because she then walked the earth with it.
Alan Steinfeld
She did not walk the earth with it? Mary Magdalene did not walk the earth with it.
Finbarr Ross
She did, yes.
Alan Steinfeld
She did. But these were also human beings that had to evolve towards that they had to do their own work here as incarnational beings and achieve that level wouldn’t you say that I mean I don’t know maybe Jesus what but I think he actually did do his own work in order to reach a level of being a divine being that was I think the final initiation was his crucifixion and then being able to resurrect the body and showing that this is possible for all to do. But it was a test for him as well, that’s my belief.
Finbarr Ross
Oh yeah, I believe there was definitely a test for him, and if you go back to the crucifixion, you have the four people that, my understanding of the four people that held the energy for him to go through the initiation was, Mother Mary, Mary Magdalene, Joseph of Arimathea, and John the Apostle.
Alan Steinfeld
And they held the energy form you know what it’s a really interesting comment in the New Testament that no one ever talks about is that they he’s Jesus said to Mary, make sure they don’t break the bones of my legs when they take me off the cross. Because I think if those legs were broken, he would not have been able to pull the earth energy back in through his body to resurrect the life force.
Finbarr Ross
That’s correct, yes.
Alan Steinfeld
And so what do you think about the fact that then Mary Magdalene was performing some sort of a tantric initiation, sexual initiation sexual practice in order to bring Jesus back into the body?
Finbarr Ross
Well, she was anointing him because in the anointings if you look at the the ancient times they anointed the bodies in in a special way and I believe that his body was so badly beaten and bruised and everything else that the whole thing about it was when they were wrapping him to put him into the tomb all of these oils were put on him and the reason she was going back was because to to part of anointing to the body.
Finbarr Ross
So you don’t think it was an Isis initiation, like you know in the ancient Egyptians, Isis found the phallus of Osiris and animated that body by absorbing the energy into her body in a kind of a sort of a ritual issues you don’t think it was that. You just think I don’t think it was that but if you look at most of the initiations, and you look if you look at everything that is said about Jesus and all the different initiations he went through. By the time he was like 12, he had gone through all the scene initiations which included three days in the sarcophagus. And after his little chat in the temple with the priests. Joseph of Arimathea when he was what, 12 or 13, Joseph of Arimathea then decided it was time for him to, who was his uncle, decided it was time for him to get out of town. So he took him to Glastonbury. He took him to, and in Glastonbury he spent five years doing Druid initiations.
Alan Steinfeld
I see. Now where’d you get that information? Where does that come from?
Finbarr Ross
That is, very much so, in the Celtic tradition, if you go to the Celtic tradition, it talks about him coming over because Joseph of Arimathea was on the High Council of the Druids as well as being an Essene.
Alan Steinfeld
Because there’s also talk of Jesus being in India, I mean he really got around you know.
Alan Steinfeld
Well he really got around.
Alan Steinfeld
But, just, you okay? That’s okay. We’re not in a rush, we can take our time.
Finbarr Ross
Well, He came to our… excuse me.
Alan Steinfeld
It’s okay. We’re just do you want to take a little break. Or a glass of water or talk to Finbarr Ross who is the initiator of the Divine Feminine conferences around the US and I guess in Europe as well, you’ll be doing these conferences.
Finbarr Ross
That’s yes for the second year we’re going to Ireland and England with him.
Alan Steinfeld
But getting back to like Jesus, and you were saying that his body was badly bruised and Mary Magdalene anointed it, what do you think about the shroud of Turin? Do you think that then is the life force a document of the life force coming back into the body?
Finbarr Ross
I do yes. I believe that that is the situation.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay. So, now, you this Divine Feminine aspect is bringing back all the rays of the Divine Feminine. I mean the the Mary Magdalene, the Mother Mary are one aspect of of how it how that energy is manifested. Now, and how does the Sophia what is the Sophia energy look like and also talk about the dialogue between Jesus and Sophia and the in the in the work called the Pistis Sophia. Have you read that?
Finbarr Ross
I have read it, yes.
Alan Steinfeld
And so, what is Sophia? What I mean, I know it means wisdom, but what is actually what does that mean? I mean who was Sophia?
Finbarr Ross
Well, if you want to look at it in in one way you could call it that Sophia was God’s wife. Because she would be the feminine aspect of God.
Alan Steinfeld
But is God an individual being? I mean isn’t God let’s say all things?
Finbarr Ross
God is all things.
Alan Steinfeld
So how I mean it’s not a male, I we think it’s not a male form that would have a wife, it’s all aspects of all things.
Finbarr Ross
Yes. And, you know, I suppose we need to get to a place where we have something that we can understand about the masculine and the feminine. So a lot of people have in their minds that God is masculine. Right. And then, you know, sort of you have so far people to to be able to understand about Sophia an easy ways to put it to Sophia the Holy Spirit.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh I see also called the Shekinah would you say in.
Finbarr Ross
Yeah.
Alan Steinfeld
So that is the same energy, the Shekinah energy in the Jewish religion, the Holy Spirit in Christianity, or Sophia I guess to the Greeks right?
Finbarr Ross
Yeah. But they Christianity that didn’t like the name Sophia. You know, so she’s very rarely mentioned. And it’s only Nicholas Rorich probably was the first person to start bringing out a lot of stuff about Sophia.
Alan Steinfeld
Aha! And where’d she get it from? How, how was she able to resurrect that?
Finbarr Ross
Well he brought a lot of his paintings, you know, a lot of Nicholas Rorich’s paintings was about Sophia.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, but where did he get that information from?
Finbarr Ross
I would say that he probably got it divine intervention.
Alan Steinfeld
So maybe perhaps Sophia appeared to him as well in that form?
Finbarr Ross
Yes. Because, you know, if you take Glenn de Greene, you have Jesus appearing to Glenn de Greene. And she has painted these photographs of Jesus and the lamb and he explained to her how to paint it and she’s written the book about it and another amazing person who’s had all sorts of experiences with Jesus. And,
Alan Steinfeld
And who’s Glenn de Greene, is she coming to your conference?
Finbarr Ross
She’s speaking for me in Phoenix. Oh I see. Which is upcoming to, she’s not speaking in New York, she’s speaking in Phoenix.
Alan Steinfeld
Do you tap into any of the Hindu goddesses like Kali or Durga or Lakshmi you know?
Finbarr Ross
I myself had a major experience with Lakshmi in India last year.
Alan Steinfeld
Lakshmi being the goddess of wealth and abundance. Yeah tell us about that, that sounds great.
Finbarr Ross
Well usually what, I I go into this little temple in a place called Tapovan in India.
Alan Steinfeld
Where is that? Which part of India? Because I’ve been to India.
Finbarr Ross
It’s in Maheshwar.
Alan Steinfeld
Is that in the north?
Finbarr Ross
Yeah, it’s the home of the Agnihotra fires. Oh the eternal fires, yeah. And, just about a mile from where the little ashram that we stay in, there’s this beautiful little temple. And so I went down there and usually what happens is when I walk in and have an experience like, first of all I feel the energy and then there’s a tightness comes across my head and then the next thing I want to do is go to sleep. All I want to do is lie down, go to sleep, and allow whatever information is going to be downloaded comes down.
Alan Steinfeld
And Do you smell things? I know when the Virgin Mary appears to people there’s usually a smell of roses that’s been common to a lot of apparitions. Do you smell anything like that?
Finbarr Ross
Oh yes you get a sweet smell. Sometimes you you get a sweet smell more times you’ll just feel that you’re totally and absolutely wrapped in love.
Alan Steinfeld
Uh-huh.
Finbarr Ross
It is the most unbelievable experience, you know I’ve had hundreds of experiences with Mother Mary the other person I’ve had it with is St. Theresa. St. Theresa of Avila or no, the St. Theresa of the little flower.
Alan Steinfeld
You had her appear to you as well?
Finbarr Ross
Yeah. And they take, they take her little bones around you know, and I think it’s the Cistercians or somebody like that take them around and every time I come in contact with those all I want to do, I’m just totally and absolutely wrapped in love. And it’s it’s like just a magical experience that one can’t describe it, it’s so much love.
Alan Steinfeld
What happened with Lakshmi though, because everyone wants Lakshmi.
Finbarr Ross
Well she is the most loving kind wonderful being.
Alan Steinfeld
Did she actually appear in physical form to you?
Finbarr Ross
She didn’t appear in physical form to me. I could, like, close my eyes and see her and I could feel her. And, she would just talk to me about love.
Alan Steinfeld
And, do these beings ever give you anything, like a boon, because there’s been documented where the when these beings appear they often give a gift or a tribute that comes into physical form. Has that happened to you?
Finbarr Ross
No.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay. Well it might, get ready. Yeah. You know. Because it does. It does in lots of cases they give people some kind of physicality of their existence but.
Finbarr Ross
Well and I got a bell from Mother Mary that I use with the divine feminine emotional healing work that I do.
Alan Steinfeld
You got a bell from her? Did it manifest?
Finbarr Ross
No a bell.
Alan Steinfeld
A bell? That manifested?
Finbarr Ross
Yeah, and I just, I hit the bell and it makes, every time I hit the bell, like if I was working with you with the bell every time I hit it it would have a different vibration a different sound.
Alan Steinfeld
Can you hit the bell now? Can we hear it?
Finbarr Ross
Pardon?
Alan Steinfeld
Do you have it with you, just to…
Finbarr Ross
No, I don’t.
Alan Steinfeld
All right. But this bell you you this was this bell like handed to you from Mary? It just appeared. It just appeared, like in the place when you were having one of the Mary visitations.
Finbarr Ross
Yeah. And it has no notes on it. And all the bells I have seen made by this company all have a note on it to say what note the bell is. This bell has no note on it but it has a stamp of the company that made it.
Alan Steinfeld
But, oh, so it was more like a transport from place to place or some kind of. I mean, I’ve seen stuff like that, come materialize out of nowhere out of different places.
Finbarr Ross
Yeah. But there is no notes, and nobody can tell me what notes it is because it doesn’t play the same note twice.
Alan Steinfeld
So, did you have to do something internally to have these beings appear to you? How did it actually happen? What did you shift inside yourself?
Finbarr Ross
Well, it, I was searching. Back in the late eighties. And I was looking and I knew that everything, every time I went, I was brought up a Catholic, and my father was a Protestant, so I was like brought up in a mixed religion between Catholics and Protestants, and you know, I could never get answers to questions.
Alan Steinfeld
Right.
Finbarr Ross
And so by the time I was, you know, in the late 80s, I was just I was beside myself. So the only person I would talk at that stage and about religion was Mother Mary. I’d start chatting to her. And, so then I would be doing the rosary and I’d be on the zen bench I’d be meditating and be on a zen bench and the next,
Alan Steinfeld
Like what were you doing?
Finbarr Ross
Pardon?
Alan Steinfeld
You said you were med meditating and doing what?
Finbarr Ross
I’d be, I’d be, you know, on my zen bench, you know what a zen bench is?
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, you’re Zen bench. Okay, yes. Yeah, okay. You were sitting in meditation. Okay. You were meditating, and then doing the rosary, and then what happened?
Finbarr Ross
I would wake up, and I’d be on the floor. And I had no idea how I got on the floor but I could have been on the floor for an hour or two hours. Right. And I would wake up and I would have tears rolling down my face. and I would have all this joy and all this energy and I would be in a total place of bliss.
Alan Steinfeld
Uh-huh.
Finbarr Ross
And so that’s how the experiences started with Mother Mary. And then she would at times she would envelope herself right down over me. And then she would start talking to me when I was driving the car. this was like I had a passenger in the back seat.
Alan Steinfeld
So you know the feel, you have the sense of what that feeling every time you’re in contact with her, you you have a certain feeling that comes over you that is connected to her, you’re saying. That’s correct, yeah. And so she is… do you feel like she’s with you all the time or she comes in and out of being with you?
Finbarr Ross
Well I I feel she’s with me all the time in my heart, there’s no no shadow of a doubt about that, she is always within me. Because I feel her coming from here. But at other times she does manifest.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, almost out of time here. Just give how do people get in touch with you? It’s been a great conversation. And we let’s do like a television program as well, but just tell people how to get in touch with you and your website and phone numbers. .
Finbarr Ross
Okay, they can get in touch with me at www.celticmysticaljourneys.com. And the, telephone number is 1-877-756-8763. Our direct line is 520-260-1248.
Alan Steinfeld
Well thank you and there’ll be a conference coming up in New York April 28th and 29th, right, you call that number. That’s the meta center. Well thank you, Finbarr. Give me a call this week while you’re in New York and let’s get together, okay?
Finbarr Ross
Okay Alan, thank you very much. Certainly. Take care.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay. Okay. Bye bye. This is Alan Steinfeld. I was talking to Finbarr Ross and this is New Realities and it’s connected to my New Realities television show that’s seen every Monday night on channel 57 on mnn.org. And, if you want to email me about anything you’ve heard here, email me to newrealities@earthlink.net. And I welcome your comments, we’ll be on again. And here’s a song that I really like that I usually go out with called “The Night Before the Future” and it’s by Duke Williams and the Extremes. And we’ll be having lots of interesting guests over the next bunch of weeks. So, I hope to hear from you if you’re listening out there. Thank you. And here is Duke Williams.