New Realities recorded on March 17, 2007
Summary
In this interview, Alan Steinfeld speaks with former Senator Mike Gravel about his participation in the Citizen’s Hearing on UFO Disclosure. They discuss the government’s culture of secrecy, the influence of the military-industrial complex, and the media’s role in shaping public perception on foreign policy. Senator Gravel also outlines his proposal for a National Citizens Initiative, a constitutional amendment that would empower citizens to make laws directly, which he believes is the key to achieving true democracy and transparency.
Transcript
Alan Steinfeld
Welcome to New Realities. This program is about the evolution of our mind, body, spirit. And I’m very happy to have tonight Senator Mike Gravel, former Senator from Alaska, two-term Senator, also a presidential candidate in 2008. But interviewing him tonight in context of a panel he was part of, which was the Citizen’s Hearings for UFO Disclosure. He was the only Senator, former Senator, to sit on that panel along with five other Congressional, former Congressional representatives. And I feel it was a very brave act to be part of that. And we’ll talk about what your opinion of UFOs are. And Senator Gravel will also be a keynote speaker at the upcoming Contact in the Desert in Joshua Tree of May 19th to 21st, 2017. So that’s a very exciting addition. Welcome Senator to the program. Thanks for being here.
Senator Mike Gravel
Thank you for having me.
Alan Steinfeld
Yes. Let’s go back to the Citizen Hearings. This was a five-day event at the National Press Club put on by Stephen Bassett with 40 witness experts in the field that have, including pilots and scientists and experiencers who’ve testified to the reality of UFOs. Before coming into that hearing, were you open to the idea or what was your feeling in general about the subject?
Senator Mike Gravel
That’s how I would characterize it. I was open to the thought. I held the view very personally that it would be the height of human arrogance to not realize that there are other sentient human beings in the cosmos. And so I was open to it. But I was absolutely impressed with the hearing. We had a body of people who had direct experience from around the world with respect to the information about ET technology or ET events. And witness the unfortunate corruption of the American government trying to suppress this knowledge so that people would not be aware of what has transpired and what’s going on. And so this hearing that we had over four days was awesomely informative and certainly confirmed my views that were open before I even went to this hearing.
Alan Steinfeld
I was sitting there for five days. It seemed like somewhere it wasn’t just you. It seemed like everyone on the panel at some point felt like, oh my god, this is really happening. Was that the sense you had? That like everyone was…
Senator Mike Gravel
Very much so. You couldn’t help from day to day listening to the testimony from credible, credible scientific, military, diplomatic witnesses from various countries from the United States giving testimony to what they physically, actually experienced. And then to realize how this whole experience and effort was covered up or attempted to be covered up by the US government.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, that’s what I want to talk to you about. And of course, we’ll also talk about what you’ll be saying at Contact. But you were part of the government. You were a Senator. That’s like, you can’t get any more part of the government, I suppose.
Senator Mike Gravel
You can’t get any higher level. You’re right. A Senator should be in a position to know what’s going on. And unless you focus on this as part of your Senate agenda, it slips on by you. And that’s essentially what goes on, is that members of the Congress do not focus on this agenda. They’ve got so many other problems facing them. And so this issue goes on by. And the secrecy cult that exists within the government is able to effectively deny information in a normal course of events about the subject.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, you know, one of the last things you said at that hearing, and I think I remember it correctly. You said there’s not as many conspiracies as you think, but there’s more than you know. What did you mean by that?
Senator Mike Gravel
Well, there are a lot of conspiracies in government, and I’ve witnessed a number of them. But then the people independently, not as thoroughly as informed, but intuitively know that there’s conspiracies going on. They know essentially they’re getting screwed one way or the other. And so though they can’t prove it, they intuit that it’s going on. And so that’s what I meant, that there are more conspiracies than people are aware of, and yet people are aware of, through their own suspicions, of the conspiracies that exist far beyond what they think.
Alan Steinfeld
But then getting back to the UFO question, who, you know, because you’re inside the government, you were there, would be keeping this a secret? Are there secret agencies that don’t deal with elected officials? How could that be possible?
Senator Mike Gravel
Well, it’s easy. If the elected official is not aware of something going on, then that elected official is not inquiring as to what’s going on. So the first thing you have to do is become aware. And that’s essentially what Steve Bassett was doing, was trying to make the Congress aware of what has gone on so that they would be more inquisitive and more demanding of answers in the future. That’s a tall order to bring about, but that’s what his program has been all about, is to take it to Congress, find out what they know, what they don’t know, and try to gin up interest in their making requests for information.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, you know, Barry Goldwater, I guess he was a Senator in the ’60s and ’70s, was hot on the trail too, and he was just shut down about the UFO investigation. I mean, I didn’t like his politics, but I thought it was heroic to go for those secrets. Do you know anything about the Goldwater investigations?
Senator Mike Gravel
Not thoroughly. But I do know this, that he did back down. And I think that’s terrible. You know, he had this reputation of being a tough guy and what have you. You don’t back down. Here, I had the same situation with the Pentagon Papers. I chose not to back down, and the issue went all the way to the Supreme Court. And what the Supreme Court ruled was that any member of Congress can release any amount of information on any subject and not be questioned about it. That’s the speech or debate clause of the Constitution. And so Barry Goldwater made a big show of having an interest and then felt that he was shut down. Well, who the hell can shut Barry Goldwater down? He’s a United States Senator. And like I say, I had exactly the same experience.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I’m glad you went through with having that, telling that. The UFO situation, what did, was there anything that you did, I know you were no longer an active member during the Citizen’s Hearings, but was there something you did, did you tell people that…
Senator Mike Gravel
You’re breaking up. I don’t hear the full question, unfortunately.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay. Could you have done what you did with the Pentagon Papers for the UFO situation back then 30, 40 years ago?
Senator Mike Gravel
Well, what could be done now is that if you have a person who’s a sitting Senator who does want to get involved in the subject, and of course that’s what Steve Bassett was trying to do and is trying to do, is to educate enough members of Congress that they will demand inquiries. But there’s nothing more that I could do other than to relate past experience in this regard. But the key is that any member of Congress, based upon a unanimous decision by the Supreme Court, any member of Congress can make any inquiries and can share the results of those inquiries with the public without being questioned.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. But if you were a member of the Senate still, would you do something like that? Would it of course be a risk to anyone’s reputation, but would it be something you would feel strongly about doing?
Senator Mike Gravel
I certainly would, but at the time I had no knowledge in this area. But I did have knowledge of the Pentagon Papers, and I used my office to release it officially and of course to suffer the consequences of being prosecuted by the Nixon White House. But I won that situation. The Supreme Court ruled that I could do this without being questioned.
Alan Steinfeld
But yeah. And thank you. But I’m just curious, if this is a secret, and obviously it is based on the witness testimony and thousands of pages that have been released through the Freedom of Information Act, who do you feel is behind keeping the secrets? Would who would you guess?
Senator Mike Gravel
I’m sorry, I didn’t hear the question. You broke up.
Alan Steinfeld
I’m sorry. I’m saying, who are keeping these secrets in the government? What branch of the government, and what would your guess be who’s behind keeping these secrets?
Senator Mike Gravel
I would say the deep, what we call the deep government, the intelligence communities, the military. These are people that just thrive on secrecy, whether it’s warranted or not. And so, since they may feel that this is important to keep from the American people, they can exercise their secrecy powers in that regard. Now, keep in mind, when I was 24 years old, I was a Top Secret Control Officer and adjutant for the Communications Intelligence Service. So if I could have that kind of power when I was 24, can you imagine what these people in higher echelons of government, the power they have to move the government in various directions away from what you and I would consider true democratic values.
Alan Steinfeld
What was exactly your job at 24? What did you do as far as that, talk about that.
Senator Mike Gravel
I was an adjutant at the Communications Intelligence Service. Okay? I was 24 years old, a Second Lieutenant, and I had enlisted in the service. That was during the Korean War, and I was blessed to be sent to Europe because of my language capability and also because I had already received an MOS in the intelligence field. And so they made me an adjutant. And what this Communications Intelligence Service did then, what we do now wholesale, and that is to open people’s mail and to wiretap them.
Alan Steinfeld
Because you were checking for spies, is that it?
Senator Mike Gravel
Yeah. Well, in my case, I was just an administrative officer. But the whole project was to try and find out who was loyal or disloyal to the American cause. And keep in mind, this was at the height of the Cold War.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. It seems like it’s gotten much worse since then with the NSA surveillance and just the whole, the whole idea of spying on the American, like the whole Snowden thing that went down. It’s gotten much worse since your time, I would say, hasn’t it?
Senator Mike Gravel
No question about that. And Snowden is a veritable hero, so is WikiLeaks and Julian Assange, and also Chelsea Manning. These are people that put their life on the line for being able to communicate truth to the public, not only the American public, but the global public. And keep in mind, democracy can only survive if the people are informed. And as a result of being informed, give guidance to the policy that the government should take. But if you do not inform the people, then they’re kept in the dark. Then, of course, these nefarious would-be leaders can just go out and do what they want, and nobody’s going to be the wiser. That’s, of course, is exactly what happened to the entire UFO issue, that people within the government made the decision that this is not something, oh, I think the argument was, well, this would panic the public. Ridiculous.
Alan Steinfeld
Right.
Senator Mike Gravel
The public is a lot more mature than that and could handle the truth. But that’s what they live on, is the grist for their mill is the cult of secrecy, and that demands that the public in a supposed democracy is kept in the dark about what’s going on.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I appreciate, I’m happy you like the release of Snowden, Snowden’s coming forward and WikiLeaks. I think it is an important part. I think, of course, journalism in general is here to tell the truth that politicians are hiding or don’t want to…
Senator Mike Gravel
Well, I wish, wait a second. That’s a conclusion too far. Wait a minute. That’s a conclusion too far. I fault American media, which is controlled by the military-industrial complex and controlled by Wall Street, by totally distorting the information that exists in the world today. Whether it’s about China, whether it’s about Iran, whether it’s about Saudi Arabia, the American media distorts the entire issue. And so the American people are unfortunately misinformed about the motives of these countries and our motives.
Alan Steinfeld
So who do you trust? Who do we listen to? Of course we can’t listen to the mainstream media.
Senator Mike Gravel
Who do we trust? You’ve got to trust yourself. You’ve got to turn around and dig for information and begin to comprehend it and to take the various sources. Here, let’s look at the Washington Post right now, which is a newspaper of some renown of courage in the past. But right now, they’re the ones that wanted to go to war with Russia. And Russia has caused no reason for us to go to war with them. We cite the issue with respect to the Ukraine. But who started the issue in the Ukraine? This was the United States that spent $5 billion, admitted by the Under Secretary of State, and she admitted that we had spent this money to destabilize and bring about a coup in the Ukraine, which of course triggered a reaction from Russia with taking back, which they had before, back for 500 years, taking back the Crimea because the Crimea housed the most important military base in the Russian government, and that’s Sevastopol. And so I think that the United States, which put in place a few Nazi characters in the Ukraine to try and gin up a conflict with Russia. And that, of course, we’ve done the same thing with Iran. We’re the ones that started this, and we’ve done the same thing with Syria. It’s our intelligence community that ginned up the war that we have in Syria to try and replace Bashar al-Assad, who is the head of the government.
Alan Steinfeld
I mean, you look around the world today, there’s a recent piece out by Noam Chomsky about all this rhubarb with the American media over Russia. And it’s a joke. It’s a joke and it’s a discredit to the American media that they’re trying to make something…
Senator Mike Gravel
I’m sorry. Go ahead.
Alan Steinfeld
No, I’m just saying what’s the joke? Tell me. Keep going. Yeah.
Senator Mike Gravel
The joke is what Noam Chomsky just said, that we’re the laughing stock of the world. Here we’re accusing Russia of manipulating the United States election, when in point of fact, we ourselves are the first to have used cybersecurity activity in bringing about the disruption in Iran of their nuclear activity.
Alan Steinfeld
We’re the biggest hackers in the world. That’s why they want to attack Julian Assange. It’s not that he’s taking the secrets out, he’s showing how much we hack into other countries and then destroy them through our hacking ability.
Senator Mike Gravel
That’s what’s going on. And so the American public is just churning this issue of the Russians hacking, which is ridiculous hacking our election. And so we have been spending billions of dollars to destabilize the internal government of Russia. We’ve been doing that for quite a number of years.
Alan Steinfeld
But what’s going on in your opinion with, you know, what’s going on with Trump put into office? Was the American, I mean, it’s hard to know what’s really going on. I mean, if the American secret underground is manipulating other parts of the world, are they manipulating our own elections as well? That’s what I’m asking.
Senator Mike Gravel
Of course. Of course they try to. I don’t know how successful they would be, but no question. We do this around the world, going back to destabilizing the government of Iran in ’53, to Chile with Kissinger at all.
Alan Steinfeld
And Allende. Of course. Yeah.
Senator Mike Gravel
Yeah. That was, that’s Chile. And of course what we’ve been doing in the government of the Caribbean and South America. I mean, we’re the worst of all in this regard. And so what we do is we stand up there with our pundits on late night news and evening news and listen to them excoriate against Iran and against Russia at all, when what we’ve done is a lot worse.
Alan Steinfeld
Why is it so hard for somebody to come forward and say this is what we’ve been doing, let’s clean the slates and start from an honest beginning here? Can someone do that?
Senator Mike Gravel
Yeah, we’ve had that with Snowden. That’s exactly what he did. We’ve had that with WikiLeaks and Assange, and we had that with Manning. And so they pay a price for that. We have a whole body of whistleblowers, wait a second. We have a whole body of whistleblowers that have been telling us what’s been going on for quite a number of years, and they get punished. Their careers, their lives are turned upside down, and this is the price you pay for telling the truth about what’s going on. And so you wonder why more people don’t join them.
Alan Steinfeld
You’re saying you wonder why more people don’t come forward, right? Yeah.
Senator Mike Gravel
Of course. Because there’s such punishment meted out against those that do.
Alan Steinfeld
But why can’t we have a leader, a politician, someone to come forward and tell the truth? Not just, well, about UFOs, but about the internal politics. I mean, Obama looked like the kind of guy that would, but it didn’t seem like he did, did he?
Senator Mike Gravel
He was terrible. He was terrible. He campaigned on transparency and did just the opposite when he got to office. So when you say why, you’re looking for somebody on a white horse. You know, you join the club. There’s no such thing. Some people do the best they can from the positions that they have, myself and these others that we just talked about. But so you want somebody to get out there and be the leader and change it all. That’s not the way the world works.
Alan Steinfeld
I know. Of course, you’re right. Of course, of course it doesn’t. But were you aware of John Podesta’s desire to get the UFO question out there when he was feeding Hillary Clinton certain lines in interviews? Were you aware of that?
Senator Mike Gravel
No, I was not aware of that.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah. John Podesta seemed to have had an agenda of bringing out the UFO question and asked journalists to ask Hillary Clinton these questions.
Senator Mike Gravel
Good. More power to him, and I applaud him for that.
Alan Steinfeld
But yeah, I was hoping she would come forward and release the information. Do you think she would have, or did you not trust her either?
Senator Mike Gravel
I didn’t trust her as far as I could throw her.
Alan Steinfeld
Really? Really. Well, so what, you know, so here we are in this situation, 50 years or more in the dark about the UFO question. Does it, and of course there’ll be about 3 or 4,000 people gathering in Joshua Tree. That’s a grassroots movement, and we’re hoping it will gain momentum. I’m also part of an organization called the Disclosure Advocates, activists. But what’s our chances of bringing this to the public through official or unofficial means?
Senator Mike Gravel
First off, our chances are good, but what we’ve got to do is come to the realization that we have to empower the people to be able to make laws. Lawmaking is the central power of government. So if the people can make laws at all levels of government, they can turn around and strip the shroud of secrecy from areas of government and share that information directly with the rest of the people. Now the people, if they can make laws to do that, then that’s the direction that we need to go in. Now the difficulty of setting up passing legislation to empower the people to become lawmakers is very, very difficult. The Congress is not going to empower the people. The elites that control our society are going to fight every step of the way. So what we have to do is find a way to go around the government in a national election, asking people if they want to be empowered so that they can make laws. And if a sufficient number of people agree in the affirmative, then it becomes the law of the land.
Alan Steinfeld
What would that look like going around the government in a national election? How do you see that happening?
Senator Mike Gravel
Well, first off, it would take a lot of money. And so like here’s a person, Zuckerberg. He’s got more money than sin. He could fund this operation. In fact, he’s groping around with a way to have an impact on public policy. But what he’s done is he’s not made what I would call an intelligent move. He’s hired the former campaign manager of Obama, then he’s hired the former campaign manager of Bush. Assuming that these people have the contacts to bring about changes in government. Well, that’s a ridiculous approach. It’s not going to work. These people, they’re good at campaigns, but they’re not good as lobbyists. That’s why you hire lobbyists. And so he’s hired these two people essentially as lobbyists. And he’s not going to be any more successful than anybody else doing this. What he needs to realize is that he has to fund a national election, which he could do as much as a presidential election, they would cost, they would permit the people to vote to empower themselves. So it’s not asking the leaders to empower the people, it’s asking the people to empower themselves. And that’s how we formed our government.
Alan Steinfeld
Is this the topic of your lecture at Contact, the new paradigm of human governance? Is this what you’re going to be talking about?
Senator Mike Gravel
Exactly. That’s exactly what I’m going to be covering in detail.
Alan Steinfeld
So you’re saying it’s possible for someone with a lot of money to fund a national election that wouldn’t be a presidential election or a political election. Is that in the Constitution to do that?
Senator Mike Gravel
Of course it’s in the Constitution to do that. The Constitution, with Article 7, said that when the conventions of nine states ratified the amendment creating the new government, that when they voted in the affirmative, it became the government of those nine states. Well, that’s exactly what we’re saying. If a body, a number of people voted for the National Citizens Initiative, it becomes the law of the land because that’s what the people want. We have the technology to ask the people.
Alan Steinfeld
So is this a movement you’re spearheading, or is this just a philosophical…
Senator Mike Gravel
No, I’ve been spearheading this effort for the last 20 years. And I’ve not been successful in getting anybody with any substantial financial resources to undertake the task of conducting this national election, permitting the people to make a decision to vote to empower themselves. Now, a person like Zuckerberg could do that. Several other people could do it. I’ve tried repeatedly to go after wealthy, progressive people without success. Without success.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, we just had, you know, probably the largest US and world demonstration, probably, you know, 5 million, 8 million people marching around the city on January 21st. That seems like a very ripe public to start to have this momentum behind this new governance.
Senator Mike Gravel
That’s correct. That’s correct. But you gotta keep in mind that these protests that you’re seeing around the world are funded, are funded by people of substance. People just can’t walk out on the street with well-made signs and think they’re going to carry the day. So, but the problem with that approach, because it’s going to fail, there’s no question about it. When I see protests, all I see is the affirmation that democracy is a failure. Because if it were not a failure, the people would be able to enact things and they wouldn’t have to protest. You protest because you can’t do anything else. And that’s what a lot of progressives think is going to change things during the Obama years, in your dreams, in your dreams. Protest is nothing but an admission that democracy has failed.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, what did you think of Bernie Sanders? Was he someone you supported?
Senator Mike Gravel
I thought he was great. I supported Bernie Sanders, I contributed to Bernie Sanders. But he was dead wrong on one thing. He had this whole agenda of what to do. But he never had a plan to bring it about. Now, the only way you can bring it about is to get the Congress to vote for it. Well, the Congress is not going to vote for Bernie Sanders’ agenda. But the American people would vote for that, but you first gotta empower the people to make laws. And they would have, they would here, we’ve been ripping our guts out over healthcare. And we’re going to continue to do it for another decade. When all we gotta do is look at Canada, look at other countries around the world and realize that a single-payer system is the fairest system and the most just system. But that’s not what the insurance industry, that’s not what Wall Street wants, and so therefore we’re going to be ripping ourselves apart on an issue. And so when Bernie Sanders was for single-payer healthcare, as I am for single-payer healthcare, how’s that going to come about? It’s got to pass through Congress. And all you got to do is look at what the Congress is doing right now and it’s the most ridiculous exercise of lawmaking that I’ve ever seen.
Alan Steinfeld
So yeah, single-payer healthcare, they mean that it’s basically the government covers our healthcare, right? I mean, is that what single-payer actually means?
Senator Mike Gravel
I don’t know how old you are, but I’m 87 and I’ve got Medicare. I happen to have VA because of my service. But Medicare. Now, what we could do is we could have Medicare for everybody, everybody. And that would be single-payer. And we have good experience with Medicare and we have a lot of experience, and all we could do is just pass a simple law transferring the responsibility for the health of the American people to Medicare. End of story.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, of course, I mean, healthcare is a human right. It’s not something the rich should have to pay for, everyone deserves healthcare. It doesn’t make sense. I mean, so I agree. Okay, of course, of course. No one should be making money over other people’s suffering. I think that’s a sin, it’s a crime against humanity basically, to not have that, you know. So as far as this new paradigm of human governance, are there books out there that can help guide people in structuring this new paradigm of governance? I mean, is there some kind of plan?
Senator Mike Gravel
All you gotta do is go to my website, mikegravel.com or ncid.us. And if you want a book that has the whole story about it, plus the text, there’s a book called Citizen Power. You can get it on Amazon.
Alan Steinfeld
When you were in Congress, did you meet anyone else who felt these types of new forms as you?
Senator Mike Gravel
The answer to that is stop. The answer to that is no. I have never been able to entice or secure the support of an elected official. And there’s a reason for that. Is because when you get elected, you raise the money from the special interests to get elected, after you’re elected you think that you’re the smart ones and that you’re smarter than the people, and so you don’t defer to the people. When in point of fact, when in point of fact, the collective of the American people is much more knowledgeable and has more wisdom than the leaders who control our society today.
Alan Steinfeld
So the money you’re hoping to raise, the money would be to help publicize a national campaign, is that what all the money is needed for?
Senator Mike Gravel
Well, publicize a national campaign and do a national campaign. You’d have to have organizations in every congressional district in the United States. This would take over a year to do, but it’s very doable if somebody wants to put up the money. I don’t have the energy at my point in life and try to what I’ve been doing in the past to raise the money piecemeal. No, what I can do is I could help put in front of somebody the entire process which has been developed over a decade or two decades and act as an advisor. That’s all I can do. And so when I go to the convocation in the desert, it’s to try to share my knowledge and maybe somebody will pick it up and it would get to somebody like Zuckerberg or whoever.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I appreciate your intelligence and it seems like the only way things are going to change is if we do take the power back from the politicians who really do not, even more…
Senator Mike Gravel
Wait a second, first off, let me disabuse you. We don’t take back anything. We never got it. When our country was formed in Philadelphia, they consciously, they consciously left the people out of the picture so that they would not jettison slavery. That’s the whole thing that went on. And so the American people got screwed in the structure of our government to protect slavery and we’ve been living with that problem ever since.
Alan Steinfeld
So, okay, so now here we are and this is one solution you’re putting forward. Are there books out there that can help guide people in structuring this new paradigm of governance? I mean, is there some kind of plan?
Senator Mike Gravel
All they got to do is go to my website, mikegravel.com or ncid.us, both I have two. And that’s what my website is loaded with. And there’s a book out there called Citizen Power that you can buy from Amazon and it has chapter two has got the national initiative and chapter 12 who stole the American dream. Of course, it was the founders of the, the framers of the Constitution, that’s who stole the American dream. And so it has all, and then it has the text of the National Initiative and the constitutional amendment. So that’s all there in the book. And the book is dated, but I keep everything updated on the website.
Alan Steinfeld
Let me just ask you one question. If UFOs were to become public knowledge, how do you think that would fundamentally change us, change our country, let’s change the planet?
Senator Mike Gravel
I think it would diminish the arrogance that human beings have towards nature and towards our environment. The arrogance of human beings is really knows no bounds. But then to wake up one day and realize that we’re not the only sentient beings in the cosmos, that would be very humbling and would be in my mind, very beneficial to society.
Alan Steinfeld
I agree. Thank you. Thank you for your time. I look forward to seeing you at Contact in the Desert.
Senator Mike Gravel
Okay, thank you. Tell them to go ahead and send me the airline tickets and hotel reservations so we can get going. Okay?
Alan Steinfeld
I will. I’m going to talk to them this week. Thanks for being a guest and see you there. And I’m willing to do what I can to make this new paradigm of human governance possible.
Senator Mike Gravel
Find out how we would get to Zuckerberg. He has an open mind to this. The problem is is that how do you get to him? You know, I’ve tried to go there and you got all kinds of screening they’ll say they’ll contact you, you know, most of the people can’t begin to understand what I’m talking about. It’s a chance that if I could talk to Zuckerberg and his wife, they might understand what I’m talking about, but as far as most other people, they don’t understand it.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, if you could, this would be a real Facebook revolution. All right. Let me see who I know who could talk to Zuckerberg. I mean, I don’t have any direct contact myself, but maybe you should do more programs on the radio. I’ll set you up with some other interviews if you want and we could put the word out there.
Senator Mike Gravel
Here, I’ve got I’ve only got so much energy so you don’t have to rush to get me on a bunch of programs. If we could get a way to be able to sit down for a half hour with his wife and Mark, I think I could persuade them. Because he’s looking for the big deal. He’s looking for the big change. This is it. This is the biggest deal of all in human history.
Alan Steinfeld
That would be amazing. Okay. Let me see what I can do, okay?
Senator Mike Gravel
Okay, thank you.
Alan Steinfeld
Okay, I’ll see you then. If I can do something great, or I might know somebody who has a connection in there. So, thank you to Senator.
Senator Mike Gravel
Thank you. Bye-bye.
Alan Steinfeld
Thank you. I’ve been talking to former Senator of Alaska, Mike Gravel. He’s going to be a featured speaker at the upcoming Contact in the Desert. That is May 19th to 21st, 2017 in Joshua Tree, California. You can go to contactinthedesert.com. He’ll be talking about that idea he’s just put forward here, a new paradigm of human governance. And it’s as he was saying, this could be a huge revolution, a huge upgrade of in human history. So yeah, if you have any questions or you want to get in touch with me or have connections to people interested in funding these kind of ideas, you can email me at newrealities@earthlink.net. And I’ll pass it on to Senator Gravel. You can also go to his website, Senator, senmikegravel.com. Thank you for listening. I appreciate any feedback, any ideas, any suggestions. Contact in the Desert is going to be an amazing conference of the top, I would say, researchers in the UFO field. There’ll also be a lot about ancient civilizations and the crossover between ETs, ancient civilizations. Giorgio Tsoukalos from Ancient Aliens will be there, but so will Graham Hancock and Robert Schoch and Michael Tellinger. And also this year, Jacques Vallee, Whitley Strieber, Linda Moulton Howe. These are some of the real all-stars. The niece of Betty Hill will be there. Anyway, it’s going to be an amazing three or four days in the desert. Hope to see you there. Thanks for listening. You can also reach me at newrealities.com and at my YouTube station, my YouTube channel, youtube.com/newrealities. Thanks for listening. Goodnight