New Realities recorded on June 17, 2014
Summary
Alan Steinfeld interview features Jim Marrs, an author and investigative journalist, discussing his views on global control and conspiracies. Marrs argues that a small, wealthy elite controls global events, including the economy, wars, and government policies. He claims that this elite aims to maintain power and profit through manipulating public perception, centralizing resources, and suppressing alternative technologies like free energy and anti-gravity. The conversation touches on various topics such as the JFK assassination, 9/11, the media’s role in shaping public opinion, and the influence of secret societies like the Bilderberg Group.
Transcript
Alan Steinfeld
Welcome to New Realities. This is Alan Steinfeld. And this program is really about the change in our cultural understanding. What’s really going on in the world, who’s really running the show, who’s what’s behind it, how do UFOs fit into all this? And tonight I’ll be talking to Jim Marrs. He is a person who’s really looked behind the scenes. His books Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy, Alien Agenda, Rule by Secrecy, The War on Freedom, major books in understanding the true structure of government, of the powers that really are controlling the forces of the world. Welcome, Jim. Welcome to the program.
Jim Marrs
Alan, it’s a pleasure to be with you and all of your audience.
Alan Steinfeld
Thank you. You know, because you have such a wide view of the whole situation with you’ve looked at the Kennedy thing, you’ve looked at the UFO thing, you’ve gone into, you know, the government cover-ups and all those levels. What would you who would you say is the main force that’s really running the world, running the show?
Jim Marrs
That’s the big question, isn’t it? And it even goes deeper than that because I have been asked plenty of times and it really is a burning question. We all know that there’s people trying to run the world, if you will, but what people when I get asked is, you know, it seems like they’re making decisions getting us into wars and producing bad air and bad food and bad water, and you know, it’s almost like they’re trying to kill us. And why would, you know, I can understand greed, I can understand corporate indifference and the concern for the bottom line trying to make a profit. But why would anybody in their right mind want to kill off the goose that lays the golden eggs, you know?
Alan Steinfeld
Well, I think it’s cause it’s easier to control a smaller population. I mean, yeah.
Jim Marrs
Exactly. And the globalists, as they call themselves, because they operate they’re looking at it from the perspective of the whole world. In fact, they’re not all that excited about the United States because we’re just not not the most profitable department they have. And they’re quite clear, Georgia Guidestones, the Agenda 21, the pronouncements of the Council on Foreign Relations, the you know, Prince Philip of the royalty in Europe, you know, he’s quoted as saying that if there is reincarnation, he’d like to come back as a deadly virus so he could help take care of the overpopulation problem.
Alan Steinfeld
Wait, who’s who said that? Prince Charles said that?
Jim Marrs
Prince Philip.
Alan Steinfeld
Prince Philip.
Jim Marrs
Yeah, Prince Philip. And you know, we’ve had others, Maxwell Taylor for example, our ambassador to Vietnam and a ranking Council on Foreign Relations member, he’s he was quoted years ago saying that by the beginning of the next century, talking about right now, he said we have to reduce the world’s population, he said this will be done through disease and think think aids in Africa and regional wars, think Iraq and Afghanistan. You know, and so they’re following an agenda that they’ve actually laid out and they basically want to get rid of us. But again, the question is why? Why would they want to get rid of everybody? And I think one of the answers Alan is that they seem to think and they are working on the belief that the world is overpopulated. In fact, this is kind of a pervasive argument that’s being used on all fronts, pollution, environmental change, etc, etc, well there’s just too many people. But let me tell you something, I heard this and I didn’t quite believe it, but I checked up on it and it’s true. In Hong Kong today, the average living space is 1,700 square feet.
Alan Steinfeld
Now you’re in New York, 1,700 square feet apartment that’s not too bad, is it? Mine is like 300 square feet, so yeah, that’s.
Jim Marrs
There you go. So it’s the average living space in Hong Kong is 1,700 square feet. So based on an average living space of 1,700 square feet, the entire seven billion human population of the world could live quite comfortably just in the state of Texas. Now I live in Texas, so please let’s don’t everybody come running into Texas.
Alan Steinfeld
Be a little crowded there for you.
Jim Marrs
It’d get crowded. But I think you get my point. It’s really not an overpopulation problem as much as it’s a population concentration problem. Everybody’s jammed into these big cities.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, I think it’s an energy problem. I mean, I fly across country a lot and you look down and for hundreds, probably thousands of miles, there’s not one structure out west. You know flying over the Rocky Mountains and the whole, you know, West Coast these hundreds and hundreds of miles absolutely nothing. You could fit, you know, probably a thousand Manhattans with, you know, 10 million in just that square acreage that is totally empty. So I think the real problem is energy.
Jim Marrs
Right. Energy. Well, and here’s the thing too. See, let me tell you something, 20 years ago as a newspaper reporter, I was interviewing energy experts and I was talking to this one fellow who had all kinds of degrees and was certainly an expert, nice you know, at that time I was getting pretty fired up about solar energy and I said well you know, why why why can’t we go to solar energy? And he said oh well that’s a that’s a good idea, he said but that’s 20 years in the future. Well, excuse me, here we are, and we still don’t have it. But anyway, then he went on and said, you know, to provide enough electricity for the to power the city of Los Angeles, you’d have to have solar panels covering the entire state of Arizona. And I said, okay, ’cause I didn’t want to argue with the expert. But as I went off, I got to thinking about it and I realized where the flaw is in his thinking. You see, he’s been schooled and conditioned to only think about central generation. So based on sin in other words, you generate the electricity and you pipe it to Los Angeles. So based on that, what he said was probably true. But what he’s not thinking of is, wait a minute, what if everybody in Los Angeles put solar panels on their roof, then they could power the whole city and, you know, everybody would be basically free from the utility company. But therein lies the problem, and that’s why we don’t have solar energy, because they have not.
Alan Steinfeld
What about that? Yeah, we haven’t done.
Jim Marrs
They haven’t figured out, they haven’t figured out how to make a cloud come hang over your house if you don’t pay your electric bill.
Alan Steinfeld
Right, of course it’s all covered up by the big corporate multinational, uh, you know, people want to hold on to the money. But I even more than solar, what about the Tesla idea, free energy, you know, within this one cubic meter of space, there’s enough energy to power the city of Los Angeles or New York. We just haven’t so we haven’t well, I’m sure people have discovered it, but what have but it’s that’s the real problem. If we could get that free energy from the vacuum, the zero-point energy as people call it, we’d have enough power to cultivate all those thousands of miles of open desert and bring water, you know, and change the sea into fresh water. I mean, that’s all that’s missing to to have a really beautiful paradise on earth. Just that energy. Haven an Eden on Earth. And Alan, you’re absolutely right. In fact, now you’ve hit on the answer of why they’re still sitting on the issue of UFOs. They don’t want to admit that there’s really UFOs up there even though anybody with half a brain and one eye can go on the internet punch in UFOs and you can spend the probably the rest of your life looking at pictures of UFOs. Now so what’s the deal? It’s because the people who truly run this country, and I’m not talking about the president and the congress, I’m talking about the people who tell them what to do, they I don’t think they really care if you and I and everybody else knows that there’s extraterrestrials out there. But what they’re concerned about is if we know for certain that UFOs are real, then we know for certain that there’s alternative technologies out there, free energy if you will, and it might upset their monopolies over energy, transportation, military hardware, communications, medicine, etc, etc. That and so they’re keeping the lid on it. They don’t want us to know that there’s things other than their monopolies. In other words, we we might start arguing about having to pay ever increasing prices for gasoline if we knew we didn’t need gasoline.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. You know those UFOs are not getting here by filling up their gas tanks. That’s, that is.
Jim Marrs
That is true. And they’re not getting here by big old rockets either. Uh, that’s what kills me. Even on some of the more modern science fiction movies and stuff, they still got these giant rockets blowing flame and smoke and you know, booster rockets. Excuse me, that that’s old hat. In fact, um, uh, probably most of your audience may have at one point wondered, why in the world did we have we canceled the space shuttle?
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah. Why did we cancel it?
Jim Marrs
The reason is, is because it’s obsolete. We’ve got, we’ve got anti-gravity. We got other stuff that they’re not telling us about.
Alan Steinfeld
Do you think we have, the the US secret government, secret military has anti-gravity machines?
Jim Marrs
Well, I tell you what, I think Gary McKinnon got onto it when he hacked into the Pentagon computers setting not trying to be malicious. In fact, the the Pentagon has admitted that he didn’t do any damage to anything. But he got in there and he found out about our secret space fleet. And the names of the officers and where they’re launching places were, and the names of the ships that are out there. And I know this is true because I’ve talked to a Navy commander who was part of all that, okay? That’s what they don’t want out.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. But I I and I totally agree with you. But who is the main, I mean, I know I ask that in the beginning and I said that’s the big question, but what who do you know of who’s the guy who told who, who the people who killed Kennedy? Who are the families? Who who do you suspect are the people that really run the show?
Jim Marrs
Well you can there’s a handful of names that you can bring up like the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds and the Melons and, you know, a few of the other people names that people have known. But a lot of them people uh, it goes higher than that and and those names are are not even commonplace. Uh, number one, this year uh, for for a change, they’ve actually admitted that that the Bilderberg meeting was taking place and they even published uh a uh membership list. Or at least the ones who agreed to have their names listed. Now there are others on there who for various reasons said leave my name off and so those are the ones probably that really have the power. The rest of them just want to sit at the same lunch table as the cool kids, you know, and be counted as among the cool kids.
Alan Steinfeld
But but tell people who what the Bilderbergers are for people who haven’t heard about them.
Jim Marrs
Okay, the Bilderbergs are so secretive that they don’t even have a formal name. They’re called the Bilderbergs because they were first publicly known to be meeting in 1954 at the Bilderberg Hotel in Oosterbeek Holland. Uh, and it was held by uh, Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands who had been a Nazi SS officer and later had to had to resign and leave the Bilderbergers because he got caught up in a defense scandal over defense uh, purchases from the United States. Uh, but the Bilderberg meets once a year uh, under heavily guarded secret circumstances. And for the longest time, I mean, I’ve been at this since uh, since probably the 60s. And back then nobody would even acknowledge that these guys even existed. At least now we we they admit that yeah we are meeting. But now consider this, Alan, what what do you think the media, the mass media, the TV and radio, media, what do you think they’d be doing if it was learned that all of the owners of the National Football League franchises were meeting say in New York in a big fancy hotel surrounded by armed guards and they wouldn’t let anybody in and they refused to tell anybody what they were talking about. Wouldn’t they wouldn’t they go ballistic? Wouldn’t they yell restraint of trade, collusion, you know?
Alan Steinfeld
Well what would you want to hear how vague I’m just actually looking at the Builder Burger meetings this is their website they say the Builder Burgers is an annual conference designed to foster dialogue between Europe and North America the conference was established in 1954 as a forum for informal discussion bringing together individuals who share an active interest in affairs relevant to the relationship between Europe and North America. I mean they’re saying absolutely nothing here.
Jim Marrs
No, it just sounds like a good old boy get-together. But the problem is, is that if you’ll go down to that membership list, you’ll find out that it includes most most of the most important statesmen, diplomats, rulers, royalty, industrial heads, you know, heads of manufacturing. And and furthermore in my book Rule By Secrecy, I have laid it all out how that when decisions that are made at Bilderberg more often than not become official government policy in the United States and in the UK, Canada and other Western nations. Uh, it’s it’s a meeting it’s these are the people who get together. Now a lot of people have trouble with the idea. How can a handful of people control the world, you know? Well, let me tell you something. There was a study done by the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in 2011. They studied 43,000 multinational corporations and what they found was that these 43,000 multinational corporations are controlled by only 1,318 companies with and these have interlocking ownerships. And of that 1,300 companies, uh uh there’s only 147 interlocking firms that control most of that. And most of that 147 uh firms are controlled by approximately 20 banks. Okay, and they have interlocking uh directorships and interlocking ownership. And what’s wild is this study that the French Swiss Federal Institute of Technology made, they did not even analyze family, social or other types of relationships by owners and stockholders. So well, we’re talking and now that’s Alan, that’s an incredibly concentrated uh source of power.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. No obviously, it’s obviously seems to be controlled by just a few people that, you know, the presidents and all these these people that that appear to run the countries, uh you know, are powerless.
Jim Marrs
No, they answer to these folks, yeah. That’s a that’s why if Congress had any power we’d see some changes being made. But we don’t. You go back to, yeah you go back to the Republican presidencies and the Democratic presidencies and uh, the faces change but the policies don’t. Uh, Barack Obama came in on a, you know, as a breath of fresh air he’s going to really bring change, you know, and what changed? We’re still fighting in Afghanistan, looks like we’re going to go back and fight some more in Iraq. I mean, you know, what changed? Nothing.
Alan Steinfeld
Not nothing, yeah. No, it’s uh, it’s an end, you know, the big thing, the big machine is the propaganda to stand up for your country right or wrong and to go into war and to, you know, fight for whatever the government’s telling you to fight for. And now all these veterans are committing suicide. They’re sick, you know. No one’s taking care of them. It’s it’s really awful. That whole situation and they’re, you know.
Jim Marrs
Well, now now you’re getting to my big gripe, Alan. Uh, I can understand faceless corporations making bad decisions just based on trying to uphold the bottom profit line. But my thing, I come from a background in journalism. I was schooled, I have a degree in journalism, I’ve been in journalism my whole life, and I’m here to tell you there is no journalism anymore, okay? There are five corporations, Time Warner, Disney, Vivendi, uh, Viacom, News Corporation, and Bertelsmann in print. And these corporations control everything you see in here. They control the networks, the satellites, the cable, the magazines, the newspapers, the books, the book publishing, the book clubs, uh, even the billboards. Everything you see in here is filtered through these controlled by five multinational corporations and they have, according to Project uh uh over at this university that did the study, uh Project Censored, shows that they have interlocking ownership and directors. So there’s a handful of people that control everything we see in here, except for fine folks like you and a handful of others.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. And but but a big question I want to ask you is, do you see a change? I mean, this has been going on, what, since the 30s, 40s, 50s, uh, this kind of ruled by secrecy. Um, under but is there, is there some like, um, disintegration within that structure happening or is it still as tight as ever? I’m just curious.
Jim Marrs
No, no, it’s breaking apart. In fact, this is what we’re seeing right now with the formation of what they call the BRIC nations. That’s Russia, Brazil, or to go in order Brazil, Russia, uh, Iran, uh China, um, Korea I think. And uh, they’re balking. They’re they’re they’re not going along with this New World Order plan. And of course that makes them the enemies, the axis of evil or whatever. Uh, but no, it’s it’s not a monolithic as it used to be because there used to be only a handful of information outlets. You read the New York Times, Washington Post, your local paper which was pretty much dominated by the Associated Press and or the United Press International for anything outside your own city. Uh, and, you know, and uh, some news magazines and that’s about it. Today, the internet has broken all that open. In fact, the uh, I just got through looking at some figures uh, on the uh, mass media and uh, the readership in newspapers is way down, and uh, the advertising dollar is way off. And even the TV networks are are are struggling trying to to keep up because people are getting their news and information off the internet today. So right.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. But I want to ad yeah when people.
Jim Marrs
If you or your friends are only watching one network or reading one newspaper, I can assure you they are not well informed.
Alan Steinfeld
But I want to ask you another major question as far are we looking at from a you and me and other people from a Western perspective because obviously China is not controlled by the same forces. And also, I just heard a very interesting theory by Howard Bloom. You know, Howard Bloom? He said that Iran convinced the US to get rid of Saddam in Iraq so they would have this like Shia Sunni conflict so Iran could come in and start controlling Iraq and and have the sort of situation we’re in today. Now I don’t know, but.
Jim Marrs
Well we’re in it today. If you notice the latest word is, is that uh John Kerry uh is as has is having quiet talks with Iran trying to see if we maybe could uh kind of ally with them a little bit to try to stop this uh uh this uh Muslim takeover there in Iran or at least the uh the uh Shiites.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. So we’re not rule by secrecy is only whoever those, you know, high powered uh families are they’re not ruling China or the Middle East or the Saudis. Or or is there a network, I’m asking behind all that?
Jim Marrs
Yes. Uh China, for example, see uh, first off you have to understand what their game plan is. And if you want to know what that is, I would recommend you read a book that was written by a British Fabian socialist uh back in 1948 named Eric Arthur Blair. Uh, but now he wrote under the pen name George Orwell. Uh, but now he was not a part of the royalty, but he was very well connected with uh the British aristocracy, and I think that in his book, he transposed the year numbers and named it 1984. Uh, he laid out the plan for the world, which is to create a worldwide socialist system, but not monolithic, not one world government. Uh, in the book 1984 we see that the world was divided into three economic sections, uh Oceana, East Asiana and Hasiana. Uh and in today’s world, in reality, it’s the European Union, the soon-to-be North American Union that they’re working on, and the future Asian Union. Now the Asian Union’s going to be easy enough because China and most of the Asian nations are pyramids of power, that is, one person or a handful of people has all the power and then the power trickles down to the people. So all you have to do is get those people at the top that’s in control, you uh pay them or bring them onto your board, make them a board member, and it’d be real easy to uh, create the Asian Union. In fact, the Rothschilds have already uh, done lots of lucrative business deals, same thing with Rupert Murdoch and other people who are these globalists. They have all kinds of deals going with China. Uh, go down to your local store, try to buy something. Chances are it says made in China. So they’re they’re producing everything and we’re buying everything. The problem is we’re not producing anything, so uh, our money is getting worth and worth less.
Alan Steinfeld
But isn’t one of the wild cards here, the Middle East, the the the Muslim fundamentalists, the these?
Jim Marrs
Exactly.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, so what’s happening with that?
Jim Marrs
Well see, that’s a thing that for for even through the Cold War, the one place where Russia and the United States and the UK uh kind of agreed on was that they were did whatever they could to try to prevent a Muslim empire from coming into being, because if you take all the Muslim nations, and if they were to ally themselves with each other, uh you’d have a Muslim empire that stretched from Indonesia and, and Southeast Asia all the way through India and all the way into the Middle East and then into Spain and then into Europe. Uh, where there’s heavily heavy concentrations of Muslims. Uh, and so they have, they’ve been working together trying to prevent that. That was one of the main reasons that uh Russia invaded Afghanistan back in the ’80s. It was to try to keep it from going becoming a hard line uh, conservative Muslim country.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. So what do we do? What how do they fit in with the Bilderbergers? And how do they um, is that the conflict?
Jim Marrs
Well because they they profit from from chaos, you know? It’s kind of like the uh the motto of the Masons, Ordo ab Chao, which is out of chaos, we make order. But uh first you gotta have the chaos. And with chaos, uh that’s easy enough because you do what we’re doing right now. Uh, we uh armed the Syrian rebels. Uh, we arm the the Egyptian rebels. We’re we’re causing all that foment over there. In fact, I don’t want to say anything good about Saddam Hussein. He obviously was a tyrant, but he was their tyrant and it’s not our job to go over there and tell them they can’t have whatever tyrant they want. So yeah, we got rid of Saddam Hussein, but now look what’s happening. The whole country’s falling apart. At least he held it together.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. Well that’s the thing. He he he wasn’t a nice guy, but he he he now there’s much many more people have been killed and murdered and, and the whole country is divided.
Jim Marrs
Yeah, but look how look how much money they’ve made off the wars and the defense contracts and the and just all the ancillaries and the the oil that they got control of and and in Afghanistan, they got the poppy fields back into production, you know? Let’s just face history facts, okay? The year before we invaded Afghanistan, the Taliban, and I don’t have anything particularly good to say about them but ’cause they were religious fanatics, but they were religious fanatics, and they had eliminated 96% of the poppy fields, and that were that was hurting the world heroin trade. And uh, so we go in and invade and the next year, according to the mass media in the in the uh Europe and in uh Britain, uh the poppy crop was, you know, having a bumper, bumper city.
Alan Steinfeld
Wait. So the poppies could be turned into heroin, so the uh. Right. So is the final war then sort of between the Muslim fundamentalists and the the Western um uh what do you call the um monopolists?
Jim Marrs
The banksters.
Alan Steinfeld
The banksters.
Jim Marrs
Yeah. Uh, no, it’s, it’s the creation of the chaos. See, when they get the Sunnis and the Shiites and the Kurds all fighting with each other, they all have to be armed. And who’s the world’s largest arm merchant? The United States of America. We are arming the world. And don’t you find that uh kind of ironic that at a time when our government is is just pushing as hard as they can to take guns away from Americans, we’re providing them to every other person in the world. Uh, the United States each year sells more arms and ammunition than Russia and China combined. And who we are?
Alan Steinfeld
Who are we selling all these arms and ammunition to?
Jim Marrs
Anybody that, that we can get to buy them. That’s what I’m saying. They, they’re stirring all this up. They’re creating it all. Uh, in fact, the murder of Ambassador Stevens in in uh Syria, uh, um, apparently from from my sources, uh he was going to blow the whistle on the gun-running that was going on over there. So they had to take him out, and that’s why when they got their little mobs and their little uh uh terrorists that they had armed that our arms were going to and they attacked the uh the uh embassy there and they hollered for help and nothing was done. They didn’t want him talking.
Alan Steinfeld
Well do you think all these school shootings though are part of a plot to some people have say in the in the, you know, really out there conspiracies that these gunmen have been uh conditioned mind-controlled, they’ve got the weapons and they sent them into these places to kill innocent people so we can get our guns taken away. But do you think do you go that far saying these mass
Jim Marrs
No, I don’t go quite that far because uh although I do know that through MK Ultra and Project Monarch and other things that are well documented that they do have the capability of brainwashing people, especially people who are a little bit on the edge anyway mentally. But I’ll tell you what the whole thing is. Let me tell you something. I grew up in Texas. We had guns. We took guns to school. A lot of my friends had guns, rifles, shotguns on the in their pickup truck.
Alan Steinfeld
Why do you take guns to school though? Why?
Jim Marrs
Well because you go hunting before or after.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, I see. Okay.
Jim Marrs
Okay. And and nobody shot anybody. Why are the school shootings now? The media is totally falling down on the job because all they can talk about is guns. The real problem are the psychotropic drugs. Virtually every person involved in a school shooting is either on these psychiatric drugs, Prozac, Zoloft, or they’re coming off of them, which apparently is even worse than going on them. So you’ve got someone who’s a little bit on the edge anyway mentally, and then you load them up with these psychiatric drugs, which right there on the label they say can induce suicidal and homicidal tendencies. And then you have these school shootings, and then and then at that point, yes, all of a sudden then this is being used to push this anti-gun agenda to to tell everybody we gotta take all the guns up. And yet all I can say is, folks, study your history. In the whole 20th century there’s there’s been uh, you know, 60, 70 million people killed and the number one cause is governments. Hitler.
Alan Steinfeld
War. War.
Jim Marrs
Well not just war. The Holocaust, Hitler, uh Pol Pot, um uh in China, Mao, uh the great uh Cultural Revolution, etc, etc. And in each instance it’s uh, it’s happened in progress that first they register guns and then they take up the guns, confiscation, and then they begin to round up people and execute them. It just goes on and on. That’s why in the Second Amendment of the Constitution there is no mention of the word hunting. You know, our our our right to own firearms is there very specifically in the words of our forefathers to so that we can protect ourselves from a tyrannical government.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. If a government gets out of hand. Of course they didn’t but but but I do think they should outlaw automatic weapons. Is there any reason someone needs to have an automatic weapon?
Jim Marrs
Ah, that’s that’s something that probably could be uh, well actually, automatic weapons are illegal anyway. Alright. And have been since uh, I think 1968, they pretty well well I think they outlawed machine guns back in the 30s. But uh, by by the gun laws and passed in 1968 after the two Kennedy assassinations, uh, you know, that pretty well closed that one unless you uh register ’em with the federal government and pay a hefty uh fee. So we don’t have to worry about automatic weapons anyway. What they’re talking about now is what they call assault rifles, which is, you know, which is really pretty ridiculous because, you know, if you pick up a rock and and kill somebody with it, is that an assault rock?
Alan Steinfeld
Right. What what is an assault what what is an are they calling what kind of gun is that?
Jim Marrs
Well they call uh, what they call an assault rifle is a rifle that is probably semi-automatic which means it fires every time you pull the trigger. It’s not it’s not totally automatic. Uh automatic weapons are illegal already. Uh, and if any of them get used, then obviously whoever is using them is violating the law, so there’s no sense in passing another law against something that’s already illegal. And then what they also call assault rifle is a semi-automatic weapon that has been modified. You know, they they put little folding stocks on them and little added magazines and a little air cooled four-grip and, you know, all this stuff make them look cool. The AR-15 looks almost identical to the military’s M16. Uh it but it’s a civilian model and it does not fire automatically. So it’s all this is all just window dressing, okay? A gun’s a gun. Uh, I know people with black powder muzzle-loading muskets, like they used in the war between the states, and those things are perfectly legal. They’re considered antique weapons, and they’re it’s not even against the law to have one of those. But I guarantee you put 71 grains of powder in it and a and a mini ball, and it it’ll take your arm off, okay? They’re just as deadly as any other gun. Any gun is deadly, and the problem is not the guns, the problem is the people who misuse ’em. And the people who are mostly misusing ’em are on these drugs, but you never get told this because the mass media is so dependent on the pharmaceutical advertising. Just think, just go turn on the TV, watch any program and when the commercials come, if they’re not selling your truck, they’re selling you a drug.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, so the pharmaceuticals cannot be implicated because they they.
Jim Marrs
They’d lose advertising.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, that’s a good point.
Jim Marrs
The big advertisers are the big advertisers and say, well, we’re not going to advertise with you if you’re bad-mouthing our products.
Alan Steinfeld
I see. So they just leave that part out of the story completely.
Jim Marrs
That that equation is missing and that’s the key equation.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh. Well, but is there any hope for the future? Do you see like uh how how it’s all gonna change?
Jim Marrs
Sure, everything’s getting better. Yeah, everything’s getting better already. I mean the fact that you and I can sit here tonight and talk about this, that’s encouraging. And the fact that so many people are listening and maybe I’m not telling anybody to believe me or trust me. I’m not a politician or a or a preacher, don’t trust me, but listen to what I’m saying and then go study it for yourself, and you’ll find out I’m telling you the truth. And then it’s not a question of belief, then you know. You know the same things I know. And uh, once we figure it out, then the good news is that there’s more of us, honest concerned well-intentioned people, than there are of them who want to keep all the secrets and maintain the status quo, etc, etc. And just by that sheer knowingness, things will change.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. And how long do you think before the people can really take back the power to to control themselves, rule themselves?
Jim Marrs
Well unfortunately, I think that’s gonna depend on how bad things get. As long as people can come home, sit down, have have a nice meal, drink some beer, watch TV, go to bed, get up and do it all over again, then they they’re not going to be want to be bothered. But uh, when if and when the dollar collapses, the economy goes down the tubes, people have trouble maintaining their homes and buying food, uh then they’re going to demand change and it will change, and I’m just hoping that they’ll remember that there are folks out here who now and in the past have been trying to warn us about what’s going on and give them a chance to put it all together instead of listening to the same uh rabble-rousers and uh uh malcontents and psychopaths that got us into the problem we’re in right now.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. But but you’ve been I mean you’ve been on this. You wrote the book uh the Plot That Killed Kennedy. And you know that is still being covered. Are you shocked that like here we are what is it 50, 60 years after 1963, that moment that really changed history.
Jim Marrs
Yep.
Alan Steinfeld
And no one knows the truth. I mean at least publicly.
Jim Marrs
Oh we know the truth. We know the truth. We just uh, you know I get asked all the time, well will we ever know the truth? And I just want to shake them because we know the truth right now. What they’re what they’re really asking is will will somebody an official of the government stand up hold a press conference and say, okay folks here’s what happened, here’s who fired the gun, here’s who passed the money, you know, blah, blah, it was a coup d’état. You know, no, that ain’t gonna happen. Uh too many people have too much to lose. Too many people were involved. Uh not not directly involved, but they they understood what was happening and and they let it go. It’s it’s the old uh the old British rhyme, you know, it says uh uh treason doth uh never prosper. What’s the reason? Because if treason prospers, none dare call it treason. And that’s exactly and that’s exactly what happened. People were uh they were most of the people had no understanding of what was going on. Uh uh small group of people at the bottom and they just bought the lock, stock, and barrel the idea that one guy did it, and that’s it. And then there was people, handful of people at the top who knew better but they also saw that the power had shifted and they better keep it to themselves. Which they did. And by the way, just not wanting to start another whole thread here, but uh, we’re going through a same period of time that I saw in the wake of the Kennedy assassination, which was for about 15 years, it was considered bad manners to even talk about it and discuss it in polite company. We we just don’t want to talk about that. Well, we’re in the same period right now about the attacks of 9/11. Then the attacks of 9/11 are so fraught with inconsistencies and bald-faced lies and uh even the senior counsel, the chief attorney for the official 9/11 commission, said the story that they presented in their report uh to the Congress and to the media and to the public is entirely and inexplicably untrue.
Alan Steinfeld
But but you don’t think it was Bush himself or or Cheney that ordered or that that knocked those towers. Or maybe you do think.
Jim Marrs
I don’t think I don’t think Bush uh had the capability of doing something like that. Cheney I would withhold my uh opinion on until we have more facts. But the fact is, we were not told the truth of the 9/11 attacks and and I know I can already hear a lot of people going oh, so what, so what is because look where we are right now. Look what’s happening in Iraq, look what’s happening.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh, I agree with you. It’s uh, but.
Jim Marrs
It all goes back to 9/11.
Alan Steinfeld
Well we’re not going to have more we’re you know as as I mean even as the Kennedy memory fades from the public mind uh we’re gonna have less and less facts about all this you know. I mean.
Jim Marrs
That’s true but but that’s when you have to instead of uh the un unsuccessful search for facts, which you have to do start using your critical thinking. In the case of the Kennedy assassination, the number it’s you know, it’s either one lone nut, which means it was just kind of an accident of history, or there was somebody else involved which by dictionary definition means there was a conspiracy. Well I’m here to tell you, and I think anybody that’s done any reading whatsoever would agree that yes, there was a conspiracy. Okay, and all right. And here we are 50 years on and we still don’t know about this conspiracy. Now how is that possible? You mean the combined efforts of the Secret Service, the FBI, the CIA, the NSA, all those alphabet agencies, all our police agencies and we can’t get to the bottom of some conspiracy. Uh, no, that didn’t make any sense. The only thing that makes sense is that this conspiracy uh was contrived and carried out and and uh covered up at the very top of the US power structure.
Alan Steinfeld
I I agree with that. Now do you agree that the same agencies are responsible for 9/11 as well? Or is it different, did it shift.
Jim Marrs
It’s a little bit different. I don’t think the agencies uh, well in fact, in the Kennedy assassination, I don’t think any of the agencies as an agency. In other words, there’s no question that there was CIA people involved in the Kennedy assassination. Right. Has been has been pretty well established. But does that mean that this was an act by the Central Intelligence Agency? Uh I don’t think so. I think there were most of the people in the agency, and particularly their new director John McCone, I don’t think they were aware of these what these people were doing. Right, right. And it’s the same thing with 9/11. Uh it was an inside job, there were people within the military, within the intelligence agencies who either participated or at least knew what was going on, but uh they it was not an official they in other words, there was not a big official meeting of the FBI or the CIA or the NSA and they said, okay okay we’re going to blow down these buildings, we’re going to blame it on the Muslims. No, that didn’t happen.
Alan Steinfeld
But it’s it’s it’s but you know, there is, there is an unseen force that seems I mean there.
Jim Marrs
That’s right. And now now you’re touching on my latest book, Our Occulted History. Oh, is that is that coming out? Is that out or will be out.
Jim Marrs
It’s it’s already out. It’s it’s it’s brand new. It’s hadn’t been out. It’s been out a few months. And uh, this is what I’ve done here, Alan, is tie two issues that are mostly thought to be separate and haven’t been tied together, but it’s really fascinating. And one is uh the popular concept of ancient aliens, okay? Ancient astronauts. The evidence, which by the way is even past compelling, it’s almost overwhelming, that there was non-human intelligences at work on this planet thousands of years ago before our recorded history. And.
Alan Steinfeld
Are you talking about the Archons? A lot of people are naming the Archons as those that have controlled history. But anyway, but yeah.
Jim Marrs
Yeah, well, bad. You’ve got different names for them. In fact, in fact, what I found really really fascinating is when I went back and looked at what we uh call mythology. Yeah. Um, and I looked at all of the names of the uh ancient gods uh as we uh have come to know ’em. Uh like the Greek uh the Greek gods and the Egyptian gods. Uh and uh it’s in here trying to find my list. Oh, okay, I mean, the the Greeks, the Romans, the Egyptians, yes.
Jim Marrs
Yeah. For example yeah, for example, um, in uh in the Sumerians, who are the earliest civilization we have any record of, they predate the Egyptian by thousands of years and they were writing down their cuneiform tablets thousands of years before the Bible was ever written down. And they talked about the Heavenly Father, the guy who runs the world from off the world. Uh, and their uh mythology, that was Anu. The Egyptian said it was Amun-Ra. The Greeks called him Cronus, and the Romans called him Saturn. But the characterization is the same. Same thing with the Heavenly Mother. Uh Sumerian was Antu, Egyptian was Mut, Greek was Hera, and the Romans were Juno. Uh, it was all the same deal. And here’s what I found really so they’re talking about the same personalities, the same characters, it’s just that the names changed with the language. Now what’s really amazing is is that you I’m sure you’re well aware of the Greek sky gods, the Titans, right?
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah. Yes, yes, yes.
Jim Marrs
Okay. But what you probably don’t know is is that in these ancient cuneiform tablets of the from ancient Sumer, uh they had a word for those who live in the heavens and that word was Titian.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh I see. Same word. Is that amazing?
Jim Marrs
Well so so are you saying that the the gods control um, the planet in a sense?
Jim Marrs
Well, and the gods instituted the two basic control methods uh over humanity, which was money, finance, and religion. Uh they appointed their spokespeople and their and their hybrids and said, okay, now you’re going to represent us, and they became the priesthood and they said, all right, we speak for God. And God told us to tell you how to live and here’s what you must do and must not do, yada yada yada, okay? Now, with the and and that was quite an effective control mechanism for thousands of years until the advent of the uh printing press. Um and then we saw the Bible spreading all around and then you saw the monolithic universal church start breaking into all these fragments as we see today. And the power of religion began to wane, and so they began to turn the power of money. But it’s always been an integral part of the control mechanism. Uh, when Jesus, the Prince of Peace, when was the one time that he really threw a fit and and actually fought with some people, it was when he overthrew the tables and ousted the bankers, the the money changers, and where were they? In the bank? No, they were in the temple. Yeah. So so religion and money have been tied together all the way back.
Alan Steinfeld
And they still are. Some people say those um, ancient aliens are still running the world in a sense. They’re they’re influencing the the Bilderbergers and the and the families of the Illuminati to keep the the planet, you know, as a slave civilization. Do you go along with that?
Jim Marrs
And now you’ve just answered your question uh about who are these people at the top of the food chain. And I think once you what I do in my book Are Occulted History is connect the ancient astronauts with the modern New World Order, the these handful of individuals who are trying to run the world. And I think that once you understand that there are connections, there’s family ties and bloodlines that run all through history, the knowledge passed through the uh Knights Templars from the mystery schools of Egypt and Greece and on into the Masons and on into other groups, the Illuminati, and then uh you bring it on forward to the fact that the occult roots of the of the Nazis. And you bring it on forward to the fact that uh the Nazis came over here wholesale uh after World War Two. See we we defeated the German army, but we never beat the Nazis. They were not even there at the surrender. They were not represented. Uh we forced them to move and a lot of them came over here under Project Paperclip because we decided we needed them so we could get their technology to use against the Russians.
Alan Steinfeld
Well you mean Wernher von Braun? Do you mean people like.
Jim Marrs
Yeah and Dornberger and all those guys. But see we not only got their rocket scientists, but we got their mind control experts, we got their psychiatrists. We we got we got thousands of un-reconstructed Nazis.
Alan Steinfeld
But but but Carol Rosin last year at uh was it contacting the desert which you’ll be at again this year, this August said that Werner von Braun only used the Nazis for his scientific research. He wasn’t a Nazi, he was a scientist and.
Jim Marrs
Well of course you know what’s he gonna say after the war is over? But the truth is as I detail as I detail and document in my book The Rise of the Fourth Reich, uh those Nazis were all in touch with their counterparts in Russia. There was there there was very lax security all around them and they they even found out that they were sending letters to Mexico which were then rerouted around to Russia and so this actually led to uh a situation where I think the the uh high rulers, the ones we were just talking about, I think what they were doing was secretly building uh a space force by integrating the rocket science of the Nazis uh and based on the Soviets and the United States. You see the Russians were building heavy lift rockets that care that could carry big payloads. That’s why they were able to put the first Sputnik up, the first man, the first woman, the first dog in the space, got us all upset. We were building uh guidance systems. And so these Nazis then were in touch with each other and passing information to these uh high ruler types, the ones above government, and they were putting the heavy lift rockets with the guidance systems and producing some really exotic uh aircraft. And this is uh this is what.
Alan Steinfeld
Some of the researchers now are calling a a breakaway civilization.
Jim Marrs
Wait, so the Nazis you’re saying they’re their um kind of research and their their way of thinking infiltrated the US and in a sense has been running the military-industrial complex since World War II?
Jim Marrs
Yeah. When when we picked up their scientific uh knowledge, we also unfortunately were picking up their philosophy which was national socialism. Uh and today we know it as neoconservatism because they can’t very well use the term national socialism because anybody knows anything knows that the German acronym is Nazi. Okay, so nobody wants to be identified with the Nazis. So they don’t call it national socialism anymore. They call it neo-conservatism or the neocons.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh I see. That’s where the neocons come in. So they’re running the world, they’re running the politics. I mean, Cheney was the biggest neocon I think ever elected, wasn’t he?
Jim Marrs
That’s right. And then when they started getting out of hand and people were wising up and going, wait a minute, you know these neocons are acting like a bunch of Nazis, you know, they want a bigger defense budget, they want warmongers, they want to go fight all around the world, they want to bring everybody in under control, and so they were turned by the control over the mass media uh from national socialism to Obama and his Marxist socialism. Is it still socialism.
Alan Steinfeld
Well, there’s nothing wrong with socialism in the sense that, you know, people uh can benefit, uh, it’s just what how it’s played out.
Jim Marrs
Exactly. Well here’s the problem with socialism. Now you’re absolutely right. Socialism basically and just like basic democracy sounds great on paper. But it rarely ever works out, and the problem with socialism is is that once you set up a social program uh that’s going to take care of people from cradle to grave, it requires central administration. You gotta have a central power that makes sure that it operates smoothly whether it’s good, bad or indifferent. And these wealthy elite, these globalists, these whoever they are, they know they have the wealth and the power to buy up the central control, and that’s how they’re going to control the world. Now we’re back to George Orwell in 1984 where they have the world under uh three economic blocks all operating under socialism and they play one off against the other continually for the uh stress and conflict necessary to maintain the profit line.
Alan Steinfeld
Is is it possible to have a world, a real leader come forward or you know that that really stands up for the people or anyone who gets.
Jim Marrs
Yeah, but he hit if he gets assassinated just like Martin Luther King and John Kennedy and Gandhi and all the rest that try Jesus, all the ones who tried to stand up and say hey listen, let’s try peace for a change. For some reason, they always get murdered, you know. The the thugs and the let’s kill everybody the Dick Cheneys, they just keep going.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, it’s amazing. But uh but you feel things are changing and things will eventually.
Jim Marrs
Well, people are wising up. Yeah, people are wising up thanks to the internet. And of course, now they’re even Obama is on board, they’re all trying to do what they can to see if they can’t curtail the internet. Before long, if the people allow it, uh before long if you want to go and see anything on the internet that’s not uh following the party line, you’re going to have to pay extra, okay? Or probably won’t be able to get to it.
Alan Steinfeld
Huh. But let me I know, and I think eventually everything will collapse and I think we’ll have the the the ideal utopia that is possible with free energy with, you know, uh the breaking down of uh, you know, the these barriers, these false barriers that separate the world, uh you know, not for a one world government for a one world of peace, you know. I think.
Jim Marrs
Exactly, and that is possible, but here’s the thing to me is pretty simple thing, see. All we got to do is we’ll all agree to disagree, but we’ll agree that we’ll disagree but not disagreeably, okay? In other words, I grant you the right to believe anything you want to uh as long as you’re not interfering with me. It’s you know, and that comes back to the what you know, do unto others as you want them to do unto you. It’s that simple. And uh.
Alan Steinfeld
I think it is that simple. Yeah.
Jim Marrs
It is that simple. Hey, you want out to stop war? I’ll tell you how to stop war. In two words. Stay home. If everybody just stay home, there wouldn’t be a war.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. Let let me ask you about the latest um news thing everyone’s calling conspiracy, I mean it’s actually faded away, but the the Malaysian flight that disappeared off the radar, that totally disappeared. Any any thoughts about that?
Jim Marrs
Oh absolutely, I got that one’s pretty well figured out. But to understand what happened to the flight 370 uh, you have to understand about Global Hawk computer capture technology that was first used publicly uh on 9/11. Uh, you see, being an award-winning aviation aerospace writer for a number of years, when I heard that all four of those airliners that were involved in 9/11 had taken off from four separate airports with four separate hijack crews uh and traveling on four separate trajectories and yet they all ended up hitting four separate targets or one crashing. And then I heard that their transponders all went off about the same time. That’s that’s not possible. The only thing that makes that possible is, you have to understand like with a CB radio, if you have a CB radio and you’re broadcasting and I come along and I’m outside your door and I have a stronger CB radio, I step on or overpower your broadcast and you’re going to hear me, not you. And uh, so this is kind of a simplified way of explaining that they have the technology for capturing the onboard computer of a major wide-body Boeing jetliner and uh, they could fly it anywhere they want to remotely uh regardless of what the hijack crew or the flight crew wants. And this is.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh wait wait let me, so you’re saying they don’t need a pilot someone on the ground is flying those planes.
Jim Marrs
You fly ’em from the ground but in on the case of 9/11 uh they were being controlled from an airborne command center an E-4B. Uh these the United States Air Force has at least two of these in the air at all times as a deterrent to a first nuclear strike. In other words, if they were to somebody was to launch a nuclear strike and hit all our air bases, you know, there’s going to be at least one of those command planes in the air that can still order a counter-strike, okay? And so we have these they’re they’re there, and a big wide-bodied uh E-4B was photographed over Manhattan the day of 9/11 and over the Pentagon at the time it was hit. In fact, there was a brief mention of the mystery plane on the major news channels and then that quickly went away. See and you have to understand that uh uh you can do this. I interviewed an airline pilot back in the late 80s and he suddenly popped off and said, you know, my job’s just redundant. And I said what do you mean? He said well today the computer flies aircraft. He says I’m just here in case the computer breaks down. And sure enough after researching, I found that in the summer of 2001 a Boeing 737 took off from Edwards Air Force base in California and flew all the way to Australia flew twelve successful missions and then flew back and successfully landed at Edwards and all the time there was nobody on board.
Alan Steinfeld
Wow. So with Malaysian 370 what do you think happened?
Jim Marrs
Okay, there was at least 20 employees of uh Freescale uh a San Antonio Texas company that was working on advanced computer chips including advanced defense technology such as in stealth uh technology etc, etc, and they had just gotten a patent uh on some very cutting-edge uh new type technology and they were on their way to Beijing. Apparently were uh this included some Chinese folks and apparently they were going to go to China and uh maybe sell this technology to the highest bidder which probably would have been China. And yet the people who own and control Freescale which in included the Carlyle group which is Henry Kissinger and the and the Bush family uh and formally the Bin Laden family had uh had a piece of uh Carlyle before they sold their portion, you know, and apparently they decided they didn’t want this to happen. And so they uh utilized the remote control technology, Global Hawk technology and they took control the airplane and they flew it to Diego Garcia. Oh yeah. Sean David Morton’s been talking about Diego’s Garcia too. So what did they do with the people on board and and all that?
Jim Marrs
Well that’s a good question, but I think you and I probably have a good idea of what eventually happened to them.
Alan Steinfeld
Well so our government would kill the passengers on the plane just because they don’t want any witnesses. I mean.
Jim Marrs
Well, they killed our government killed 3,000 people at Pearl Harbor, okay? They knew it was going to be attacked and they knew when. But they didn’t say anything about it because it suited their political purpose which was to get an aroused and united public uh into World War II.
Alan Steinfeld
Wow. So they did and they.
Jim Marrs
And they allowed 3000 people to die on 9/11 to again accomplish their political agenda which was to demolish two white elephant buildings and get 4.6 billion dollars in payment for it and justify the war on terrorism and the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act and the Guantanamo and uh the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq and everything else that’s followed to this very day.
Alan Steinfeld
So the Diego Garcia um base is is a top secret operation that.
Jim Marrs
It’s on an atoll in the Indian Ocean. And that’s been one of our major staging bases for uh the drone strikes in uh in Afghanistan.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh. But is this but the but the Malaysian thing I mean, getting and going to Diego Garcia if that is what happened, you don’t think um Obama would is even knows about that?
Jim Marrs
No, I doubt it. Obama only knows what he’s what Obama only knows what he’s told and unfortunately he surrounds himself with a bunch of sycophants and they just tell him what he he wants to hear and what they think he ought to hear.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. So again, it’s those same people that that have covering up the UFOs, that have covering up the plot to kill Kennedy that they’re the ones that captured this or controlled this plane, maneuvered it.
Jim Marrs
Rule by secrecy. Rule by secrecy.
Alan Steinfeld
It’s still still going on. Does anything shock you anymore?
Jim Marrs
Uh. Not much. No, seriously every time every time I think I’ve heard it all, I hear something else and I just go, oh my God. Wow, wow, I mean, is.
Jim Marrs
You know it here I’ll tell you here’s what’s shocking to me. Uh right now if you’re drinking New York City water, you’re drinking fluoridated water. It’s got sodium fluoride in it and it’s been dumped in there by city workers who have no medical degree and there’s no control over exactly how much and what strength or whatever. So in other words, you’re being medicated against your will, you know you have no idea what what it’s doing to you, and and sodium fluoride originally was a rat poison. Okay? Right.
Alan Steinfeld
And it calcifies the pineal gland that stops our psychic awareness.
Jim Marrs
Exactly. In fact, actually the Nazis found out that if they put sodium fluoride in the water of their concentration camps, it kept all those inmates passive and docile and dumbed down and it prevented them from having riots and uprisings, you know. So does marijuana. I think the marijuana um infiltration into the 60s was to quell the uh political action that were taking place. I mean, I’m a.
Jim Marrs
Yeah but it didn’t quite work did it? I think.
Alan Steinfeld
It did work on some level you know it’s like.
Jim Marrs
Yeah yeah, that’s true I know some people who just haven’t done anything. But I don’t know, I’m a little bit of a minority uh an opinion about that. But I can see like what what’s the best way to stop a revolution? Uh you know, drug depopulation. Yeah, ill- make something, pretend that something is uh difficult to get, make everyone want it, and numb them out.
Jim Marrs
Well, and you speak of marijuana. You know all of a sudden now, you know, after 40 years of prohibition and now it’s kind of breaking loose, and we got Colorado and we got uh Washington state that have actually legalized recreational use marijuana, and many other states who now recognize that it’s okay if you have a doctor’s excuse to to use medical marijuana. So why all of a sudden is it is it gaining traction like uh maybe they’re going to legalize it. And the the reason for that is because in 2009, uh the US patent office issued a patent for medical marijuana and guess who the assignee was. The Department of Health and Human Services of the United States government. So now that the government has the patent on medical marijuana, now all of a sudden maybe it’s okay.
Alan Steinfeld
Well it’s just another way to dumb people down I think. I mean of course you don’t want to put all those people in prison, but everyone’s been controlled to think that’s a good thing to well just I mean it’s okay for people to drink alcohol, but it’s still it’s another way of cutting down the intelligence or or Facebook or television all these things are in the way of people really really think.
Jim Marrs
That’s right. Yep. That’s exactly right. Are you there?
Alan Steinfeld
To to to take back the control. So um, I don’t know. You think you think the ETs will ever show up and say guess what, you know, the games over guys.
Jim Marrs
Not not until uh not until we in one way or another ask to be contacted and demonstrate that we are willing to talk instead of shoot first and ask questions later.
Alan Steinfeld
Well what about that thing that uh you were at the uh with Richard Dolan’s and and where he interviewed the CIA informant that went to Area 51 and then reported to Eisenhower and Nixon that um uh you know the aliens were being kept. But the aliens meaning Eisenhower. What about all those stories that you hear about?
Jim Marrs
Well they’ve done that and in my book Alien Agenda, which is a journalistic overview of the UFO situation and by the way, I’ve been told it’s the top-selling non-fiction book on UFOs in the world. It’s been translated into a dozen languages, and in there, I commissioned a a remote viewing study of people who were either trained by the army or trained by people who had been in the army’s remote viewing program to look at the ET situation. And one of the things they looked at was any possible contact. And uh most of them to one degree or another confirmed that there had been a meeting with Eisenhower and the ETs. And that basically they were saying, if you can put aside your national uh sovereignty issues, uh we are willing to come and try to help the people of the world. And they were basically told, no, we don’t want to do that, we want to keep our sovereignty and our control over our individual countries.
Alan Steinfeld
Oh I see. I see.
Jim Marrs
So see we we’re going to have to have a united we have to have you know what does the little ET say when he lands and comes out of the saucer. He says take me to your leader. Well who’s our leader? We don’t have a leader. Okay? Putin doesn’t speak for the earth. Obama doesn’t speak for the earth. In fact if you look at the polls I don’t think he even speaks for the United States. But uh so who speaks for the earth? We don’t have anybody. And until we have somebody and we can say we represent the earth and here’s what we want to do, then they’ll deal with us. But we’re not to that point yet.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. But hopefully that will be coming. And that brings us to uh this August uh at Contact in the Desert. You’ll be one of the featured speakers there. Uh August. That’s gonna be tremendous. Yeah it’s gonna be a tremendous event. They’ve got all the heavyweights there.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah it’s very exciting. They have uh you know Stephen Bassett, Richard Dolan, Linda Moulton Howe, all the I mean and of course Jim Marrs there. One of the the leading researchers in the field. And do you think that could gain some kind of a force, political force to make things happen? Or is this are we just.
Jim Marrs
That’d be nice to think so, but I think uh just like last time, other than within the community where there’s some talk and some scuttlebutt and some blogs, I think the the main mainstream, lame stream media uh will probably not cover it uh because see this is something that’s that’s not on their plate. They don’t they don’t get it, they don’t understand it, they don’t want to to they fear being made fun of by people saying, well you’re writing about UFOs, you know, because they have not kept up with the times. You know, if this was 1960 or 1970, yes, the majority of people would laugh at you if you said uh you know something about UFOs. But today, most people have grown up with Star Wars, Star Trek, you know science fiction stuff and and they just know they they understand it, they’re willing to talk about it. And I think the public attitude has changed dramatically.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah. No I think I think we are making some breakthroughs and I think that’s at least the dent in the secrecy. I think there’s there’s something going on that um I think more and more people are interested in the subject ’cause you know.
Jim Marrs
Yeah.
Alan Steinfeld
It’s out of the closet. I mean joining um Jim will be George Noory, uh David Sereda, James Gilliland, Laura Eisenhower. Have you have you this called have you hung out with Laura Eisenhower a bit?
Jim Marrs
Yes, a delightful person.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah, very nice. Uh a lot of. And Carol Rosin, I think Carol Rosin’s going to be there. She was with Fairchild Industry and had worked with Wernher von Braun, and tells how he uh was predicting that uh after the threat of international communism didn’t work anymore, they would say they would turn to international terrorism probably out of the Middle East, which is where we are right now, and then when that kind of is not working so well anymore and it’s beginning to fall flat, uh the next thing is going to be a threat from space, whether real or fabricated.
Alan Steinfeld
And that that and when do you when do you think that will be um coming?
Jim Marrs
Well I think that’s uh I don’t think they have a set deadline on that. I think that’s just waiting in the wings uh for a time when they feel like they’ve just about uh run out the string on on the current war on terrorism, you know.
Alan Steinfeld
Well I think they still have a couple of good years of that too.
Jim Marrs
Yeah. Yeah, they do.
Alan Steinfeld
You know especially with like the these fundamentalists taking over Iraq. I mean it’s enough you know. It’s just very messy the whole thing. Uh. Anyway at the conference what what’s gonna be your focus, your new book?
Jim Marrs
Uh yeah I’m going to talk about uh how that we can connect the uh popular idea of ancient astronauts to the new world order. Uh. Okay. Great. Well Jim thanks for spending some time on the show here. Well thank you. We covered a lot of territory. We did. There’s a lot more. I mean. I I just like how you pull all the pieces together. You know, and um. Well it all is one big ball of wax, you know, it’s uh or a string I guess.
Alan Steinfeld
It is.
Jim Marrs
Hey, that’s my that’s my Jim Marrs string theory.
Alan Steinfeld
Exactly. You pull on it and you pull on it and it just keeps unravelling and it’s all convoluted, but it’s all tied together. I think we’re going to get at some point, I think some something’s going to break and uh and it’ll it’ll come undone. So. Well I just hope that people will sit back and instead of just reacting to uh events as they unfold, which they will. I would hope that they would start acting and saying, now let’s find out who has the best interest of the public in mind and let’s put them in some sort of authority, you know, instead of just keep voting for the guy that’s got the most money, the most corporate money to buy TV time. Right. I mean just the fact that the uh mainstream media won’t even cover Contact in the Desert shows you how much they’re being controlled by those people in charge. You know. Exactly. Just the fact that uh anyone Stephen Bassett did his five days of uh citizens’ hearings in Washington at the National Press Club, no one showed up, no main I mean why wasn’t C-SPAN there at least broadcasting some of it, you know, cause. Well you know Alan, actually they were, okay. They were there, they were there. They just did not report on it, okay? In fact this is really interesting. If you’ll think back, the first big uh thing that Greer did was in uh about June of 2001, okay? Yes. Yes. And then all the media was there, but they didn’t report on it. It acted like it was just some kind of a weird thing. But then as the summer drew on, it got into August, uh the internet was a buzz with stuff and YouTube’s had uh you know snippets of some of that testimony and it was starting to gain traction, and even some of the secondary main media was beginning to pay attention and starting to carry some stories about that. And then what happened? 9/11. And that was the end of that. You never heard any more about it.
Alan Steinfeld
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So you’re saying the major companies come to these things but they don’t report about it ’cause they just kind of check it out. That’s right. That’s right.
Jim Marrs
And I I know about this because I was in the print media for 50 years and I had plenty of experiences going to my editors and saying, hey here’s a hell of a story, let me go cover this. Nah, that’s stupid. Nah, we don’t believe that. In fact let me give you a classic example. It was a year after the Wright brothers flew at Kitty Hawk, there in uh at uh New Jersey, that the New York Times finally carried a story on it. They the when it happened, the science editor of the New York Times said well heavier than air flights’ impossible. This is a this is a hoax, this is a bogus story, and they wouldn’t run anything about it. It was only a year later after Wright brothers had been invited to take their air machine to France and they flew it around over there, and the European media jumped on it and said, wow a man can fly, you know. And finally a year later the New York Times, the the paper of record, finally got around to reporting on it.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. So that’s probably something like that may happen with the UFO situation, you know. I think so. We’ll we’ll see, it’s uh, yeah.
Jim Marrs
I was really uh pleasantly surprised that uh back in 2010 when they had the UFO flyover over Stephenville, Texas, which is not too far south of where I live here, south of Fort Worth area. And um, both the Texas media and even some of the national media actually reported on it and didn’t laugh and snicker. They actually reported in a pretty straightforward manner, as if it was indeed a news story. I just thought that was uh quite surprising and hopeful.
Alan Steinfeld
Well I think more and more people, I mean next week I’m interviewing Lynne Kitei who who did a whole film on the Phoenix lights. Right. You know, she was a doctor, never ever thought anything about UFOs, would laugh it off until she sees this huge stream of lights over her house, over the city of Phoenix, it completely changed her life and, and and opened her eyes to to a bigger reality. And I think well haven’t you had that experience yourself, Alan? Haven’t you known some folks that said oh I never paid any attention to that, I thought it was all just hogwash but but then I saw one. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.
Jim Marrs
And that’s where most people are. Most there’s still a lot of people that say, well show me, you know. If they can’t hold it in their hand or look at it under a microscope, then they just don’t believe it’s real.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. You know, but that’s one level. Okay, and then if they are here and they and it’s true what you say uh about the manipulation and the government and the politics done by these off-planet, you know, these ETs, then there’s a whole another level we have to deal with. Exactly. And I think it’s one that we better get on to ’cause like I said at the beginning of the program, uh it we this is not just an academic discussion. These folks want us dead, okay? So the ETs want us dead you’re saying. ETs well whoever’s whoever’s uh killing the golden goose. I mean I mean look at this. It’s just a simple look at the United States today. We have a workforce that for the most part wants to work. And we have a reasonably educated workforce. And this country is still very rich in mineral resources, okay? So since we have all the resources and we’ve got a workforce that wants to work, why are we in such bad economic straits? And the answer when you brush aside all the rationalizations, is quite simply because somewhere somebody wants it that way.
Alan Steinfeld
Yeah. Nobody wanted it that way, it wouldn’t be that way.
Jim Marrs
Right. But obviously it is that way, and But obviously, since it is that way, somebody wants it that way and we need to find out who those people are so that we can figure out how to get leverage on them.
Alan Steinfeld
If we’ll ever be able to find out, you know, like That’s right. And and it’s not it’s not too far out and it’s not too soon to ask the burning question, are they even us?
Jim Marrs
Yeah. That’s the question you ask in the Occulted History book, huh? Right. I see. When that that’s just come out? Yes. called Occult History. You can get it at any bookstore on my website jimmarrs.com that’s Jim and Marrs with two Rs. M-A-R-R-S. jimmarrs.com and yeah you can also get an uh Crossfire the Plot that Killed Kennedy, uh The Terror Conspiracy, The Trillion Dollar Conspiracy. You’re you’re the main conspiracy guy around. I mean. Well you know it it’s I I was trained as a journalist and I was taught back way back there in the days of the old republic to try to find the truth as best I can find it and present it to my readers. And fool that I was, I thought that’s what I was supposed to be doing.
Alan Steinfeld
Right. So people can say oh it’s another conspiracy, or you can say, well guess what, this is what’s really going on, it’s the truth, you know.
Jim Marrs
Exactly. I don’t deal in conspiracy theory. I deal in conspiracy facts.
Alan Steinfeld
Right, right. And you want And if anybody doubts that there’s any conspiracy, just go look up the number of people who are serving time in prison right now uh charged and convicted with conspiracy.
Jim Marrs
Oh really? Are there lots of people in prison? Yeah they put mafia guys in jail, they put tax evaders, you know they got all kinds of people that they never could prove anything hard on them but they got them for conspiring.
Alan Steinfeld
But the conspiracies you’re talking about are the the guys behind the scenes. That’s what all that. Well these are the big conspiracies. They’re so big that the people at the top cover for ’em, okay? Either because they’re involved or because they they don’t want to give away the one rule of the game which is don’t give away the game. Right. Wow. So yeah, yeah I know I get it, I get it. No it’s it’s well good luck with the new book and I’ll see you in August. Are you going to be out at uh Contact in the Desert? Yeah, yeah I was out there last year. I’m going to be um MCing one of the stages out there. So uh I’ll still do some interviews out there. Yeah I’ll be there, I’ll be there in August. August 11th, 8th to the 11th at Joshua Tree. You can if you want to go, you can get tickets at contactinthedesert.com. You can see uh Jim and a bunch of ever um beautiful speakers. Actually really the best in the field I think are gonna be at this gathering. Absolutely, they’ve got the cream of the crop, they’ve got just a tremendous lineup. So I’d love to hear some discussions with like you and some of the other people out there, maybe even uh people like Nick Pope who just wrote a book about the uh Rendlesham Forest uh UFO um landing. Um be interesting to have you dialogue with some of these people out there. Well I think they’ve got us set up, I think I’m supposed to be on one or more panels so yeah, uh I look forward to seeing you when we’re out there. All right, I’ll see you out there Jim. Thanks, thanks for being a guest tonight. Okay Alan, thank you so much. Good night. Okay, good night. Talk to you soon. Okay, that was Jim Marrs. jimmarrs.com. Uh he will be one of the featured speakers at the Joshua Tree retreat center, Contact in the Desert. If you want more information about that, you can go to 760-365-8371. That’s August 8th to the 11th of this year 2014. Uh I will be out there MCing. Uh there are some ticket contests if you want to go to contact.com/newrealities. There’s um you can enter like a chance to win a ticket to the um whole conference, I recommend that. Or you can just go and get a still an early bird special ticket at contactinthedesert.com. All right, thanks for listening, this is Alan Steinfeld, and um stay tuned next week, same time. Good night.