New Realities recorded on October 25, 2016
Summary
Alan Steinfeld interviews UFO researcher Grant Cameron about the implications of John Podesta‘s leaked WikiLeaks emails. They discuss Podesta’s powerful role in government, his push for UFO disclosure, and the involvement of figures like Tom DeLonge. Cameron argues that a gradual disclosure plan is underway, but that the true nature of the phenomenon involves non-local consciousness rather than simply physical spacecraft, posing a significant challenge to the materialistic scientific paradigm and the government’s ability to fully explain it to the public.
Transcript
Alan Steinfeld
Welcome to New Realities, I am Alan Steinfeld. I am very happy to be doing this program tonight with tonight’s guest, who is really one of the top researchers in a field that I think is probably the most important issue of our times. I know we have elections that come and go, but the issue of UFOs and the secrecy around it and the government cover-up is the most important revelation of our times. And it seems like things are getting closer than they have ever been, especially with the recent release of the WikiLeaks documents, especially of John Podesta, who seems to be the one controlling the disclosure barometer. So I am here with Grant Cameron, really one of the top researchers. Welcome to the program, Grant. And let’s just jump in with this analysis of this revelation that seems to be almost here. What do you make of these latest John Podesta WikiLeaks release?
Grant Cameron
Thanks for having me on. The story is extremely important. I have followed John for a number of years. People have to realize how powerful this man is. This is not just a normal politician. This is a guy who spent six and a half years with the Clinton administration, who encouraged Bill Clinton to write a number of executive orders that caused over a billion pages to be declassified. He was Bill Clinton’s chief of staff for three years. He went on to form the big Democratic think tank, the Center for American Progress in Washington, DC. He also set up the Barack Obama administration. It has been estimated, this was in 2008 when he set it up, that 40% of all the top officials in the Barack Obama administration come from Podesta’s Institute. So people who say that Podesta does not know what is going on in the government don’t realize that he set up the government. And I would say probably higher than 40% of the people in the Barack Obama administration are now people that actually worked for Podesta at the Institute. And he is the chairman of the Hillary Clinton campaign and probably will set up her White House and you will have all his people working there again. So very powerful guy and very much into UFOs, very much into X-Files when he was with the Clinton administration. He was known as the X-Files man in the Clinton administration. In the anteroom outside his office, he had all sorts of X-Files paraphernalia. He was very open about the fact that he loved X-Files and that he would go home every time there was a show and watch X-Files no matter what was going on. An important thing that comes up later, he actually makes a phone call to Area 51 to find out what is going on. He is that curious as to what is going on. So he is very powerful in the Clinton administration. I have filed all the FOIA material that Hillary Clinton referenced in 2007 when Hillary said to Damon Steer, the reporter, do you know the most requested item at the Clinton Library requested under FOIA is UFOs? And that was all the material I filed. The only one that I was actually turned down on was the John Podesta FOIA where I requested 83 photographs and a videotape from his 50th birthday party, which was held in the Clinton White House with government funding, government cameras. They had a personal information exemption and denied all these photographs. I went to appeal, it went to Bill Clinton and his lawyer Bruce Lindsey, and they turned it down. As of 2010, I have not been allowed to see this. The reason that I believe they had turned it down was that the X-Files birthday party was held by Bill and Hillary Clinton and they dressed up like the X-Files characters in the birthday party, and they don’t want people seeing Hillary Clinton walking around like the X-Files, especially when…
Alan Steinfeld
Well, that would be pretty amazing. But what does that show you that they are not releasing that? What is the background story you feel? What is the deeper story there?
Grant Cameron
It is just an embarrassment. You have Hillary running in 2007, and these kind of photographs, they just figure will come back and haunt them. If you can get them exempted, most people will just walk away. That is how FOIA works. They deny you, they make you run through a bunch of hoops, and 99.9% of people will just walk away because they will not go through all the stuff you got to go through to get it released. I just believe it was an embarrassing type photographs because they released all the rest of the material, all the paper material, but that is not damaging because you don’t have these photographs. It is the photographs and the videotape that they didn’t release. The bottom line is John Podesta is a very powerful guy. He is the guy that got Bill Clinton out of all the messes, the Monica Lewinsky mess, Travelgate, all these things. He was the secretary of S you know what. He was a very powerful guy and is indebted to the Clintons and the Clintons trust him. And now you have this guy who is fascinated with UFOs. He made statements during the Bush administration that he believed people could handle the truth. He has been very open about this. The other thing people have to realize before you get into the emails is that he is what is called a Madison man. He believes in the philosophy of James Madison, the former president, that you have to have open government. I have quoted Podesta talking about this, that you cannot have a government, you cannot have people voting in a democracy if they don’t know what they are voting for. If the government is all secret, your vote is totally useless. The only way you can vote is if you know what the government is doing. He is very much into open government and he basically says let the chips fall where they may, and we should tell people what we are doing in the government. So this is the background to who this guy is.
Alan Steinfeld
A few more things in the background is that through the campaign, he has been pushing Hillary Clinton to talk about the UFOs. That last tweet when he was working with Obama about failing to release the UFO files. And also the whole thing about briefing Hillary on speaking on places like Jimmy Kimmel about changing the name from UFOs to UAPs. It is obvious she had no idea what she is talking about because when she says to Jimmy Kimmel, we are not calling them UFOs anymore, we are calling them UAPs. He says, well I like UFOs. And she goes, well me too, I don’t know what the difference is. Anyone who listened to that would realize she is just repeating somebody else’s information.
Grant Cameron
In fact, the email that was leaked through WikiLeaks actually stated that they were very disappointed. Let me go through the timeline because the timeline is very important to understanding what is happening in the WikiLeaks. All these emails get captured and they start coming out. It shows everybody knows that Hillary has said she is going to disclose depending on national security and the fact that she needs to get an approval, which means there is going to be some sort of vote that takes place in order to get this material out. Most people think that Hillary is doing it for votes, and I have always insisted, and the WikiLeaks emails back me up, that Hillary has nothing to do with this at all. The expression I used is that she is the puppet and John Podesta is the puppet master. It is funny because Hillary actually used this line the other day on Trump. It is almost like she is reading my stuff because I used to use the Wizard of Oz line, and now she is using the puppet line.
Alan Steinfeld
What was the Wizard of Oz line?
Grant Cameron
I was talking about this thing where a lot of people want to argue the president does not know what is going on, it is Lawrence Rockefeller and the evil cabal. I say it is the Wizard of Oz. People believe the Wizard of Oz is behind the cover-up and what they are trying to cover up is that the president is behind the cover-up. Everybody knows his phone number, everybody knows where he lives, so they want you to believe that the Wizard of Oz is running the cover-up because you cannot interview the Wizard of Oz. That is the way they have done this for 70 years is to create this idea that the president is out of the loop, he does not know what is going on. And then everybody leaves the president alone. As soon as Trump came out for his acceptance speech at the Republican Convention, you saw the lights and the smoke, and then she used the line, he thinks he is the Wizard of Oz. I put out a book called the Clinton UFO Storybook and it came out just before their convention. I am sure they read the book in order to see whether there was anything that they would have to cover for. The whole idea is that Podesta is running the show. He is an extremely powerful guy, very smart guy, and very honest guy. He belongs to the cult of non-personality. He does not give interviews. He only tweets the odd time. He is like the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain pulling the strings. The WikiLeaks show that Podesta is behind this thing. John Podesta spends 14 months in the Obama administration as a special counsel to the president advising him on different things like energy policy, China stuff. He leaves in February 2015 to run the Hillary Clinton campaign. He is the chairman of the campaign. He is the first and the last word on the Clinton campaign. He has absolute control over exactly what is going on. The day before he leaves the campaign, he makes this famous tweet. He says, once again, my biggest disappointment of 2014 is that I tried to get the disclosure of the UFO files and I failed. Basically he is saying on the record, I tried to get the files, I talked to Barack Obama, and I could not get the files. This is very embarrassing to the president when you make this kind of tweet. Then he joins the campaign. What the WikiLeaks show is that he starts getting emails right away. He talks to his assistant and he says, tell the NPR guy from Wisconsin that I cannot do the interview and ignore everybody else. He does not want to do interviews. He puts out the tweet to set the stage. As soon as I saw it, Steve Bassett and I knew something was up because John Podesta does not tweet very often. He copies Maureen Dowd, which is very important. You have to read Podesta’s stuff three or four times to realize what he is talking about. He copies Maureen Dowd, who is with the New York Times. We always assume the New York Times is anti-UFO. But when you check Maureen Dowd, in 1997 when the US Air Force came out with the explanation about dropping crash test dummies in 1953 to explain gray aliens in 1947 at Roswell, Maureen Dowd was at the news conference. She wrote a piece and said this proves that Roswell is real. So he copies Maureen Dowd, but he does not say what he is doing. The key moment is September 28th. Lena Dunham runs a video interview with Hillary Clinton. The next day, September 29th, John Podesta tweets. He says, good interview Lena, next time ask her about the aliens. This is critically important because it shows that John has vetted this. He put this in front of a focus group. He is running a billion-dollar campaign. This was a toxic issue in 2008. No politicians want to go near the UFO subject. When the guy running the campaign tells reporters to ask Hillary Clinton about UFOs, you can bet he put it in front of a focus group. The way elections run is you put everything in front of a focus group. If it comes up positive, you talk about it. If it comes up negative, you don’t. It must have come back positive. Now, the email you are talking about is from a woman who runs Hillary Clinton’s campaign that redid Michelle Obama’s personality. They brought this woman in to do the same thing for Hillary.
Alan Steinfeld
What is that woman’s name?
Grant Cameron
Her name escapes me right now. She is the one that writes the email to Podesta. She says Hillary was on the Kimmel show and she was able to get a lot of the message out. In 2009, someone determined that the way you get the message out is to go on Oprah, Ellen, Kimmel, and allow your policy to come out on these shows rather than a news show where they will challenge you. She said she was able to get a lot of the message out but was very disappointed she did not get the UFO question. She had practiced UAP for five minutes. This is November 5th. She does not get the UFO question.
Alan Steinfeld
But he does ask her the UFO question.
Grant Cameron
But he does not ask her until March of 2016. This is in November 2015. Podesta put out the tweet September 29th. Nobody asks. Now it is November and they are waiting for someone to ask Hillary Clinton about UFOs. They think Kimmel is going to ask. He does not ask, and they are upset. They say Hillary is upset, she practiced for five minutes. That is the way Hillary operates. When she does the debates, she practices seven hours a day. She practiced the answer to the UFO question that Podesta set up. In March, she does get the question. She does not get asked the question until Damon Steer asks on December 30th in New Hampshire.
Alan Steinfeld
In Vermont, right? That is New Hampshire.
Grant Cameron
In Conway, New Hampshire. He asks the question. The first email has actually now come out with the reaction to her getting the question.
Alan Steinfeld
What is the reaction in the emails?
Grant Cameron
They are basically passing it around saying look at this. The key thing is who he is passing these emails to. He is passing them to very high-level people in the Institute and the campaign. They are happy. I think there will be more emails coming out where John Podesta is very happy and saying the plan is working. Then you have the two other ones where we are going to wait for the reaction, the Breakfast Club in New York City and when she gets asked by Kimmel in March. When she goes on the Kimmel show, this is where she actually takes the question. If you go back and look at it and realize she had memorized the answer, you see that this was all staged. It was not so much the UAP thing which she messed up, she gets the acronym wrong. But then he asks her the $64,000 question: does the president know what is going on? He asks her, I had your husband on here, when you went to the White House, what did you find out? He said he could not find anything. Hillary immediately jumps on it right away. If you look at her face and realize she has memorized the answer, you can see this is planned. She smiles and says, well, and then she has to stop because the crowd is laughing. She says, well, I am going to do it. Then she pauses and says, again. This is all orchestrated. This is a disclosure effort done by John Podesta. We realize from the WikiLeaks emails that John Podesta only did two interviews where he talks about the UFO thing. Hillary has only talked about it three times. Hillary has never brought up the subject, she has only answered questions. Podesta only talked about it twice. One was the big one on KLAS-TV in Las Vegas. This is George Knapp’s station that broke the Area 51 story. This is two days before the Nevada primary. He makes this statement. He says, I think I convinced her. Meaning he is the guy behind this. He says she has to sit down, put the material in front of her, and determine what she can release. Which means the president knows what is going on. There was an email that seemed to confirm this. Rebecca Hardcastle Wright wrote the email setting up a meeting for Edgar Mitchell with the president. Rebecca says Edgar Mitchell cannot come. Let’s have a three-way Skype conversation between me, John Podesta, and Edgar Mitchell. The secretary for Podesta contacts her back and says John will do a one-on-one and then if that works, he will take it to the president. Which indicates the president knows what is going on, that this is working through constitutional channels.
Alan Steinfeld
But that conversation never happened, right?
Grant Cameron
It never happened because Edgar never showed up. But John had agreed to meet with him. And then there is this other thing that I realized in the email. It states, Edgar has advised the presidents on consciousness. When I saw that I went, wow. Most people think it is nuts and bolts, a little tin can flying around with a free energy device. Most people do not realize it is this heavy consciousness that is behind this whole thing. When I saw that Edgar had counseled presidents on consciousness, it seems to indicate the presidents know the background story.
Alan Steinfeld
There is that other email to Podesta from Robert Fish who says random personal observations, fuzzy photographs and crop circles will never prove the existence of anything to humans, it is related to the observer’s state of mind.
Grant Cameron
This is the thing, these people actually know. The part of the story I have not told anybody is that there is a whole list of names. The guy who is running the show, DeLonge, he is a guy in Washington. He did a posting yesterday where he is showing off in front of the White House.
Alan Steinfeld
We have to introduce DeLonge into the whole story.
Grant Cameron
He is a main figure in this. He is showing himself in front of the White House and he is meeting with a civilian guy. I figured out who this guy was and started doing background on him and found connections to UFOs. Then I go through Google search on images and this image pops up. He is standing behind a chair and sitting in the chair is Dr. Karl Pribram.
Alan Steinfeld
The scientist who came up with the holographic brain theory.
Grant Cameron
Yes. This guy is standing behind Pribram with his hands on his shoulders. This is the brain connection, the holographic idea that Edgar Mitchell was trying to get to the president, this whole idea of consciousness.
Alan Steinfeld
That might be why it is so hard to make a disclosure because most people do not even understand that.
Grant Cameron
I agree. I wrote the article on the reasons the government has decided not to tell the truth. When you look at the complexity of this situation, I agree with all the people in this group now who say this is not an evil government. These people handling this are ordinary people who have a real mess on their hands trying to figure out how to do this without having everything collapse. You are going to have people bringing up cattle mutilations, abductions, and consciousness. It is a very complex situation. There is a disclosure move on now. Karl Pribram had done the whole thing with Lashley where they had cut the rats’ brains in the 50s and they could not stop the rat from running the maze, which indicated memory was not in the brain. When they invented the laser in the early 60s, they realized this mathematics involved in lasers might explain the brain, that memory is non-local. I downloaded Karl Pribram’s lectures. In one interview he talks about going to his son who is a physicist and his son says the guy you need to talk to is David Bohm, who came up with the holographic universe theory. He gets these arrangements and suddenly he is in a meeting with a bunch of people whose names are now involved with this disclosure effort. Jacques Vallee is doing the intro to DeLonge’s next book. I wrote the book UFOs Area 51 and Government Informants. I said years ago the government is doing this disclosure thing, this gradual acclimatization thing. They leak stuff through people like Bill Moore, Linda Howe, Steven Greer to get their message out and protect classified material. There was this Aviary group involved in the early 1970s. They appear with John Alexander in the 80s, Bigelow in the 90s. Now they are all recycling. A lot of the names of the Aviary people are involved in this new disclosure movement.
Alan Steinfeld
The Avery is what kind of company?
Grant Cameron
The Aviary is Bill Moore’s. This is the birds, the Falcon, the Condor. Bill Moore gave all these guys names so they could talk on the phone. This Aviary group has recycled. Everybody says they are evil intelligence guys. They are just guys who came up against the UFO phenomenon in their careers and are trying to figure it out the same as you and I.
Alan Steinfeld
Could it be that they are just ready for this time? It has been a 30-year planning since Lawrence Rockefeller introduced Bill and Hillary to the idea in the 90s. Or is it a fresh batch saying now it is time?
Grant Cameron
That is speculation. I think DeLonge from Blink-182, this rock musician guy who has a big media empire, is driving a lot of this because he is popular enough to make these contacts. He read all the literature and made contact to these people. A lot of the contacts are coming by DeLonge or Podesta making these contacts. In one email DeLonge writes to Podesta and says I want to update you on my project. He says I have talked to somebody in Steven Spielberg’s company. He says he wants this guy to meet Podesta in Washington and he may bring Steven Spielberg. There is an intelligence group, a scientific group, a media group, and they are putting all these groups together. He names all these Hollywood people he is in contact with. I have heard a number of times that they have a plan. This plan is running, it is green light, it is going.
Alan Steinfeld
So there is a timeline and it actually probably depends on Hillary Clinton winning the election.
Grant Cameron
I have heard January. DeLonge says it is bigger than it was before. You would think the WikiLeaks emails would slow things down, but it seems exactly the opposite. It is almost like they want it released but they don’t want the government’s fingerprints on it. Hillary has never brought it up, she has just answered questions. They are waiting for someone to ask a question and they will respond. They can’t be the person who initiates it. They need some cover, they are expecting us to do it.
Alan Steinfeld
And that is what the WikiLeaks might be pushing.
Grant Cameron
They may actually have wanted this thing out.
Alan Steinfeld
It shows John Podesta communicating from someone in the Hillary campaign with someone outside named Edgar Mitchell who wanted an issue brought to Obama, but Obama would not. It looks like an outside effort of trying to force John Podesta to pay attention. How do you read that?
Grant Cameron
To some extent that is true with Edgar Mitchell.
Alan Steinfeld
The other guy DeLonge is an outside effort.
Grant Cameron
Well, from the WikiLeaks, you realize they had a meeting on January 25th in a secure room behind locked doors with two major US Air Force generals, Robert Weiss head of Lockheed Skunk Works, and the assistant head of US Space Command. Then John Podesta sets up a Google Hangout meeting with these guys and high-level people in the campaign. Every time John wants advice on the UFO questions DeLonge has sent him, he sends it to these people, almost as if they are doing a study on UFO disclosure. Why would he copy these people on UFO questions? John has commented on a lot of this stuff. A powerful lobbyist in Washington DC writes an email saying he saw Podesta on a TV show talking about how the CIA had shut down the UFO program for the Clinton administration. Podesta replies, more to come.
Alan Steinfeld
You mentioned pulling Jacques Vallee into the whole thing. Have you talked to Jacques about his role?
Grant Cameron
No, I just saw these Aviary people were in there. Tom DeLonge’s non-fiction book is on Amazon already for March next year, and Jacques Vallee did the forward to it. Jacques Vallee has the idea that a lot of stuff we believe comes from misinterpreting what we are seeing, that it is probably not going to be extraterrestrials. I would agree. It is going to be much more complex.
Alan Steinfeld
What could it be? Interdimensional, consciousness interfacing?
Grant Cameron
You and I both know that all there is in the universe is non-local consciousness. The number one being seen by experiencers is a ball of light, an etheric being. They can move from a ball of light to a physical being. Everything is non-local consciousness, everything is the illusion, it is a dream world. We make the mistake that we believe there is a physical world and a spirit world, but it is all the same thing. In quantum physics, there are no nouns, it is all a verb. The minute you start changing things into a noun, you are breaking it into local causation and separation.
Alan Steinfeld
It is like the particle wave theory. There are no particles ultimately, there is only waves and energy.
Grant Cameron
Yes, or the idea of the one electron. Wheeler and another Nobel guy talked about the fact there is only one electron that just spreads out. This is seriously taken in this idea of oneness. We fall into this illusion that there is separation.
Alan Steinfeld
We understand this, but does Podesta get that? How are they going to say this to the American public and what effect will it have on religion?
Grant Cameron
That is why I was impressed when Terry Mansfield said Edgar Mitchell had worked with presidents on consciousness. I don’t think it is going to be religion that has the problem. I think it is going to be science that has the problem. The cover-up is run by science. In 1996 when they had the Mars meteorite, Bill Clinton jumped on that to get the ET thing out. The media will run with the story. The main reason they won’t do it is because it is a toxic issue coming from science. It is not scientific if you believe in non-local consciousness. It is the scientists who believe in the physical world and say you cannot get here from there. If science suddenly said we believe there are aliens, the media and government would be all over it. The consciousness thing is going to ruin the scientific world.
Alan Steinfeld
But they have their craft that crashed in the 40s. There are real craft.
Grant Cameron
But there is an intention to it. Bob Lazar was purely physical. That is the difference between people who have been to the craft. The paradigm of the material world dominates the scientific world, where you have to be able to measure it. It is not going to be physical, it is going to be more spiritual.
Alan Steinfeld
There are the ships and the US military are flying these ships. The physical world is going to fall apart.
Grant Cameron
It is already happening in medicine. Energy medicine is becoming a big part of the subculture. But you still have associations where if you do that in a major hospital they will pull your license. Everyone is afraid. It is like the shut up and calculate thing in quantum physics. They know they have a problem with the uncertainty principle, but do not bring it up. When Heisenberg and Bohr brought it up in 1927, Einstein was furious and said you are not going to drag mysticism into physics. They stay away from the philosophical implications. To explain this to the average person on the street is a steep learning curve. The people who have been flying the flying saucer all say you do it with your mind. How are you going to get that across to people?
Alan Steinfeld
It reminds me of the Terence McKenna line that something is invading our world disguising itself as a UFO as to not alarm us.
Grant Cameron
Yes. It is extremely complex. Even the idea of telepathy. WikiLeaks is an image of alien telepathy. You can bet the Hillary Clinton campaign is very careful about what they say behind the scenes now. If it becomes known that aliens are telepathic, everybody realizes their deepest darkest secret is known. That is a concept people do not want to grasp. They have real big PR problems.
Alan Steinfeld
Is that not what happened to John Podesta? He is being completely seen right now through the WikiLeaks.
Grant Cameron
That is almost how the universe functions, that you have to be impeccable in our thinking and talking. There is another degree of consciousness we all have to step up to. The Canadians knew in 1950 that mental phenomena was part of the situation because at Roswell there was a live alien talking in their heads. If people realize there is telepathy, if you are a politician, you do not want a situation where everybody knows what you are thinking. This is a new world.
Alan Steinfeld
A lot of UFO investigators do not realize what you just said about consciousness. They are still looking for the alien in the sky. It is so complex what you just laid out. It is complex enough to tell people there are little gray men, but when you say they are from everywhere, people do not know what to do with that.
Grant Cameron
If it does get released and you ask the president where they are from, and he says I don’t know, that is how the cover-up has survived. If it becomes known that the president does know, the cover-up is over.
Alan Steinfeld
Do you think the media is ready to jump on this?
Grant Cameron
There are three reporters definitely ready. If the question gets asked in the White House press room, and Obama says yes, he has been briefed, it is over. The stigma is gone and suddenly everyone says the president was briefed. 3000 reporters will ask what is really going on. That is what is holding it together now is everybody thinks it is a joke. Thomas Edison said we don’t know one millionth of 1% about anything. Science pretends to know everything, but they are just describing what is happening, not explaining it.
Alan Steinfeld
That is the John Mack quote. Something we don’t know is doing we don’t know what.
Grant Cameron
If we are in the scientific thing where we have to measure it, we are just watching lights in the sky. This will raise consciousness, but in terms of figuring out what is going on, doing the same thing over and over is insanity. We have to change the procedure. If the CIA hears the Russians have a new aircraft, they don’t tell their agents to look in their backyard. If two and a half thousand agents claim they have been on the Russian plane, you investigate them. These are the experiencers, the people with the answers. They are telling us the aliens are telepathic and flying the ship. 14% of experiencers say they are allowed to fly the ship.
Alan Steinfeld
With their consciousness, right?
Grant Cameron
Yes. They put their hand on a pad and they become one with the ship. Chris Bledsoe is a prime example. John Alexander states this was a UFO sighting. Chris Bledsoe told John that once he flew the ship, he could sense when it is around. John turned the tape recorder on and this thing appeared. Other people describe this feeling. You can move from place to place. You look at a cloud and it comes to you. Not listening to these people is absolutely insane. The vast majority of the UFO community is still in the nuts and bolts thing. We have to listen to them.
Alan Steinfeld
We have to analyze what they are saying. They tell us a lot about the mind and the brain. The government understands that, but it is so far beyond what people think it is, that is where the problem with disclosure is. If you are the president, you do not want to look like an idiot. I am encouraged that the president was talking about consciousness. In order to put us on equal ground with these beings, we have to develop our consciousness. This helps us understand who we really are as human beings in terms of non-local consciousness. Maybe this is what the ETs have been planning all along to upgrade us. But I don’t think by January 2017 they are going to have any more answers. What do you make of this timeline?
Grant Cameron
It is going to unravel. The only thing stopping disclosure is the fact that the media has not gone after these generals and Podesta.
Alan Steinfeld
What would you say to the media about this?
Grant Cameron
Get these guys on the record. Why are you not requesting a meeting with John Podesta or these generals as to what this meeting was about? Chase Brandon was the second ranking official in the CIA. He stated Roswell was real, extraterrestrial, and there were cadavers. He walks away and nobody questions him. He said this on Coast to Coast. In March, when the New York Times does the story on May 10th, 2016, that Hillary Clinton is going to disclose, three questions are asked in the White House press room. The press secretary says he does not have the answer, ask the president. The African-American reporter asks about Roswell. The White House press realized they have been had and ask serious questions. I contacted those three reporters. There may be the Washington Post and New York Times working behind the scenes on a big story. Have you tried to reach Tom DeLonge?
Grant Cameron
No, that is not my thing. A lot of people have. Someone said John Podesta’s email is not bouncing, so you can send an email, but he is not replying. They want this thing to blow over. They are in a situation now where you don’t want to upset the apple cart.
Alan Steinfeld
Do you think anything else will be revealed before November 8th out of those WikiLeaks files?
Grant Cameron
Yes, there is going to be a lot more. There are seven new emails on UFOs. Every day I post the latest UFO WikiLeaks emails on my Facebook site, Presidential UFO Grant Cameron.
Alan Steinfeld
WikiLeaks is releasing six or seven every day related to DeLonge or UFOs?
Grant Cameron
Yes. There is probably 60 emails now.
Alan Steinfeld
60 emails with UFOs in the subject.
Grant Cameron
UFOs, extraterrestrials, DeLonge, meetings with generals.
Alan Steinfeld
Thank you Grant for taking this and going through such detail. You have been thinking about this for 41 years. Does it feel like the home stretch?
Grant Cameron
I am very optimistic. I was not a disclosure guy, but based on what I have seen in the last year, something serious is happening.
Alan Steinfeld
Your website again is what?
Grant Cameron
Whitehouseufo.blogspot.ca. I am going to post an update article there. There is about 16 pages of material on these WikiLeaks emails.
Alan Steinfeld
This is amazing. Thank you again. I will be in touch. This has been a great three hours of conversation.
Grant Cameron
It is always good to talk to you because you are the consciousness guy. We can get into the serious stuff.
Alan Steinfeld
It is the only thing that makes sense within the bigger picture. Thank you Grant. That was Grant Cameron, one of the experts in politics and UFOs. If you have questions, email me at newrealities@earthlink.net or check newrealities.com. Thank you for listening, we will be back next week. Good night.